Specialists by civics

[LumenAngel]

C2C already have some change on specialists by civics, but not a lot.
My idea is to make specialists more "civics dependant".

So.. A little list of what I think about this. Some bonus, some malus, some... Just both.
In green : New
In blue : change of value
In red : Old
In black : already here, no change

• Government
  • Theocracy : Unlimited priest, +0.5 per priest
  • Totalitarism : Unlimited spy, +0.5 per spy
  • Technocracy : +1 Free scientist, +1 free Engineer, +0.5 per engineer, +0.5 :science per scientist
  • Corporatocraty : +0.5 per merchant
• Power
  • Clergy : +0.5 per priest
  • Vassalage : +0.5 per noble
• Society
  • Feudal : +0.5 culture per noble
  • Egalitarian : -1 per noble, +1 per citizen
  • Corpor-nation : +1 per merchant
• Economy
  • Manorialism : +0.5 per noble
  • Guilds : Unlimited noble, +0.5 per merchant
  • Green : +0.5 per merchant
  • Post scarity : Unlimited engineer, +0.5 per engineer
• Military
  • Pacifism : Unlimited artist, +0,5 per artist, +0,5 per celebrity
• Religion
  • Irreligion : -1 per priest
  • State church : unlimited priest, -0.5 per scientist, +0.5 :espionnage: per priest
  • Intolerant : -1 per scientist, +1 :espionnage: per priest, +1 per priest, -1 per artist, +1 gold per priest
  • Athéist : +0.5 per scientist, -1 per priest, -1 per priest, +1 per specialist
• Welfare
  • Church : +0.5 per priest
  • Superhuman : +0.5 per priest, +0.5 culture per artist, +0.5 gold per merchant, +0.5 science per scientist, +0.5 per spy, +0.5 per noble, +0.5 per celebrity, +0.5 per doctor, +0.5 hammers per engineer, +0.5 hammers per slave
  • Paradise : +1 free artist
• Immigration
  • Secure border : +0.5 :espionnage: per spy
• Education
  • Religious training : +0.5 science per priest
  • Corporate education : +0.5 science per merchant
  • Propaganda : +0.5 science per spy
• Currency
  • No currency : -1 gold per merchant
• Politics
  • Ownerships : +1 gold per specialist

What do you think of this? I think that can help to make civics more diffrent ^^
I had an idean, but I m not sure it's possible : In "Power" and 'Religions" civics, add a -1 crime per turn to some specialist. So, Intolerant would have a -1 crime per turn per priest. Because you fear them in such societes.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Looks like a good start. We have more specialists waiting to go in Doctor and Lawyer are on my list at the moment.

What about the "Great Specialists" the ones down the bottom? One "Settled Citizen" represents a unit of population. Should it be giving extra bonuses? The "Settled Slave" is not a unit of population but maybe it should be giving some bonus adjustments also.

 

[Thunderbrd]

I agree this is a good workup. But I'd also be interested in seeing some specialist benefits decreased based on certain civic selections.

@DH: Are you about to break our specialist limit barrier?

 

[LumenAngel]

I have some decreased too
Mainly priest/scientist (easier to explain), but maybe totalitarism can decrease artist and open border decrease spy. Look like quite realistic.
Or more boost for celebrities (+0,5 with propaganda?)

(and I hate this limit of 30 images/post ^^')

What about the "Great Specialists" the ones down the bottom?

Maybe the same bonus than the "not great specialist". But today, i dont think they gain bonus from wonders/civics.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

@DH: Are you about to break our specialist limit barrier?

No, but it is becoming more and more urgent that I do.

 

[Nimek]

No for unlimited specialist of any type.

Since we have huge cities that option gives killing bonuses.

You can also add +xp per priest on church military civic
TheJ or Orion made mod to add xp to any specialist type.

 

[Mouthwash]

We need to increase water pollution with Garbage to Sea. Why hasn't anybody thought of that yet? Or have you? I don't have the latest SVN.

 

[JosEPh_II]

Disagree with this section the items left (not snipped) need to be removed :

Religion

Irreligion : -1 per priest
State church : <snip> -0.5 per scientist,<snip>
Intolerant : -1 per scientist, <snip> -1 per artist, <snip>
Athéist : +0.5 per scientist, <snip> +1 per specialist

This trend has to stop.

JosEPh

 

[Nimek]

If church related civics have penalty
Than corporate related civics should also had this penalty.

In is not conspiracy theory that corporations blocks sciencetific progress because they affraid about their profits.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

If church related civics have penalty
Than corporate related civics should also had this penalty.

In is not conspiracy theory that corporations blocks sciencetific progress because they affraid about their profits.

I agree on the if part.

Shouldn't Intolerant and Closed Borders have -0.5 per merchant since they bring in foreign ideas?

 

[CIVPlayer8]

is not conspiracy theory that corporations blocks sciencetific progress because they affraid about their profits.

Don't understand you here. Corporations block scientific progress?

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Don't understand you here. Corporations block scientific progress?

Oil companies verses the electric car.

 

[Nimek]

Don't understand you here. Corporations block scientific progress?

water powered car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

In 90s they put it on he news so it was real information. Inventor was mourdered.
Reason. Bilions of bilions from oil.

Energy absorber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btv0sbOqGaE

Polish inventor constructed it in aprox 95 but none of motorization corporations was interested to install it on cars to improve safety. Reson? They have bilions of dolars from replace parts and car repairs after colisions

and here you are top of the mountain about corporate greed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2CUVZYu6tI&feature=related

Remember. Corporation dont feel, dont compasion, it only wants more more and more. Hghest profits with no metter for the cost.

Why you dont hear about it? Because now corporations control the media.

Edit

did you know that current GMO food cause cancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k118bcaViL4

Why they put it on the market? Reson is simple PROFITS ! (of course exists other reasons why they do that but it is not a correct place to discuss about it)

 

[Thunderbrd]

Oh so true guys!

However, we should also consider corporations that do a LOT of research as well. Lets keep in mind the pharmaceutical companies that spend BILLIONS on research to make sure they've been able to invent the next big cure to the next big plague they've also invented and spread throughout the public.

In short, yes, Corporations generally impede research to a HUGE degree, just as much so or worse than Organized Religion ever has. Its simple though... those in power want to stay in power and progress and change threaten that because the architecture of that power structure becomes subject to adjustments that can quickly create a new and more influential power center in play, obsoleting the hold they have with the status quo.

Imagine if we figured out a better method to govern our country by... oh... wait... many EU nations HAVE and our current media blasts us with how ineffective those methods are, citing the collapse of nations utilizing these new socialist agendas (when in reality those cited collapses have been the result of the rampant capitalism we use ourselves!!! The hypocrisy never ends!)