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[meatwad4289]

hello meatwad4289,

you are utterly brainwashed.

how can you be so 'innocent' about our western intelligence agencies? there are special places for interro(r)gation in Hungary, Syria, Chili. But since they have no official website and are not reported by FoxNews you can say i'm gone. but is 'official' (state) Dutch news good enough?

Wow automatically claim I watch fox news, wow may I say.. NOOBTACTICS. Sorry noob. lol gotta call you what you are newbie, or atleats what you act like. You provide proof that they are torturing then I'll believe you but hey CNN doesnt have it? MSNBC doesnt have it? BBC? come on. give me something thats not conspiracy or I'll keep calling you a noob. I know immature right? So is not giving sources and believing people who challenge you watch Fox News. Official State Dutch News is good, yet you refuse a source to this knowledge. Noob. Come on! REAL SOURCES. and sorry i just havent called someone noob in a long time, I really need to play CS again and get that out of my system

google Ken Saro Wiwa please. he was a nigerian opposed to the pollution made by shell. dead already for a long time.

Googled it.. Ken Saro Wiwa was killed by Nigerian Government, He was found Guilty of Inciting a murder. From what I understand the Nigerian Government paid off witnesses to have this guy killed. Shell? While I'd liek to think theres an evil underground conspiracy where the Dutch have Nigeria do their bidding, well honestly I dont care about the Dutch, or Nigeria, but if I could dream up a scheme in which there would be conspiracy, then I'd dream up a better oen thatn "This guy wants to stop our oil, make a huge trial fake it, and execute him" easier just to shoot the guy. But hey the West can't be that bad if the British have a memorial for the guy.

YOU show me any evidence of WMD owned by Saddam to legitimize your war against the people if Iraq. (a 150.000 plus have died since march 2003.) it wasn't i who wanted war because of WMD. give me some UN material on this.

you can always call rumsfeld of course.

You show me evidence of torture prisons, I'll show you the evidence of Biological warefare, but if BBC News is good enough for you then I suppose I'm just as fine. But I am leaving in 5 minutes for the night, and Dont have time to dig it up right now, when I come back I will.

furthermore, america was the FIRST country to use nuclear weapons. and it was tested bigtime above ground for decades. God knows what the damage in your country is.

Point? I said we got nukes for defensive purposes, I'm not saying theres no testing involved.

why do you say Iran will nuke israel? where did you get THAT from?

Well considering Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said SEVERAL times, I hate Isreal, the Holocaust never happened, destroy them, funds terrorist acts against them. and all kinds of dumbasserie.

dick cheney? the only country in de middle east who actually owns nuclear weapons: israel?

what??? im not sure if I understand that . As far as I know, Isreal is the only one I can see having Nuclear weapons, and thats only because Their buddybuddy with the US that if they dont have Nukes, then if someone uses nukes against them you can bet the US will launch their nukes.

and last: i never said i hate the West. i love it probably more then you do since i dare to be critical to my own kind so that we may improve ourselves.

i have nothing against you. please understand that.

love all the way,

Michel

We can't improve the west by letting these idiots try to strangle the west. We need to use our influence be it Diplomatic(which I always hope is the first option) and Force. I personally think it be better if the United States started drilling its own Oil reserves, and Abandoned the rest of the world and then hope that the other nations follow suite. I wish we would go back to isolationist nation, Im sick of something happeneing the world standing by and saying wheres the US and when the US is there they complain about it.

 

[Defiance]

Sickcycle already posted a link to the CIA's torture program..

 

[Grimz101]

NOOBTACTICS. Sorry noob. lol gotta call you what you are newbie, or atleats what you act like.

If your gonna try an argue your case, please try not to make yourself look like an idiot with that lol... People might have listened to what you had to say (I didnt ) if you didnt act moronic..

 

[rabidveggie]

Man, I wanted to avoid the whole US debate thing but Meatwad, come on. Had the US found WMD they would have publicised it in every media source they could. Also Israel and Iran have not yet revealed weither they had nukes or not, although you can pretty much assume both have at least a few. I'd be more worried about India's and Pakistan's relationship since they are close to full out war, and both likely have nukes as well. As for the torture prisons, I know of a few down somewhere in South America, aside from that my knowledge on the subject is sketchy. Finally on having Nukes for self defense guess how many the US has? At least ten thousand, the USSR had more, but when are you ever going to need more then ten?

 

[Grimz101]

Man, I wanted to avoid the whole US debate thing but Meatwad, come on. Had the US found WMD they would have publicised it in every media source they could. Also Israel and Iran have not yet revealed weither they had nukes or not, although you can pretty much assume both have at least a few. I'd be more worried about India's and Pakistan's relationship since they are close to full out war, and both likely have nukes as well. As for the torture prisons, I know of a few down somewhere in South America, aside from that my knowledge on the subject is sketchy. Finally on having Nukes for self defense guess how many the US has? At least ten thousand, the USSR had more, but when are you ever going to need more then ten?

they found missiles which could potentially be coverted, then potentially be used to deliever chemical payloads.. then potentially work.. thats the best so no WMD, just missiles which everyone has..

Israel has estimated 200-300 nuclear warheads..
And Pakistan and India have openly had nuclear weapons for qutie a long long time now, and have successful tested them, and India is about to/ already have retested its ballisitc missiles its making.. whilist pakistan ones are short range and pointed at India.. i seriously doubt they will have a war with nuclear weapons though.. India has the 2nd most amount of Muslims in the world which must count for something, and Pakistan and India are currently resolving issues, and bonding

And yes CIA torture prisons you may also want to look at this one to do with CIA and one to do with American goverment and how low they went.. i.e a plan to fake terrorist attacks on America with deaths and blame it on another country and invade.. hmm sounds familar...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods (how low they can go)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA (CIA evilness)

 

[Defiance]

Whats so bad about a little LSD

My minds to strong for there little twicks!.. Although it's a little broken now lol but it's still strong!!