St. Basils Cathedral confused with The Kremlin?

[Lord Arska]

It's such a shame that a company with so much experience of doing games based on world history keeps making this same mistake again. It isn't that hard to open wiki and type "the Kremlin" in the search bar before having an artist make this shiny little picture of St. Basils.

 

[motor_ola]

OK. I'll bite. First of all, the fact that another wonder may also not have the ideal icon, does not make that it's right for Kremlin to be depicted by the wrong icon. So what? Another wrong doesn't make this right.

Secondly, Chitchen Itza is represented by the Temple of Kukulkan, which is arguably the center of Chitchen Itza and its most prominent building. So they selected a prominent building inside Chitchen Itza to represent the whole. This is quite logical since it's iconic for the site and how else would you represent a whole historical complex in a meaningful miniature?

If they had selected a piece of Kremlin wall to represent the Kremlin, I'm sure Motor-Ola wouldn't have created this thread.

Indeed, the icon for the Sixtine Chapel is just two hands pointing at each other, and I don't feel the need to create a thread about that (it IS kind of a lame icon though).

 

[Scaramanga]

Indeed, they're certainly close by but on the opposite sides of the red square. That's like having The White House as a wonder and showing a picture of the Washington Monument. It's certainly close by but it's not the same building/complex. Medvedev doesn't have his office in a cathedral and Obama doesn't lead the country from atop the Washington Monument (although it would admittedly be pretty cool if he did).

The Kremlin is also synonymous with the government of Russia and the heart of Moscow. If you had a wonder called "The National Mall" and represented it with the Washington Monument to me that would be very similar.

 

[bernlin2000]

Yeah they did it in CivIV too..it is part of the Kremlin iirc. The actual Kremlin building is nowhere near as cool looking, so I can see why they put the cathedral as the icon in both games.

The Kremlin and St Basil's are both in Red Square but are not the same building

It's a weak defense, but isn't it fair to say that St. Basil's is the most recognizable Russian structure, and the Kremlin has often been synonymous with the Russian government, so they're both more symbolic of Russia in general

EDIT: Scaramanga beat me to the explanation...

 

[Venereus]

Indeed, the icon for the Sixtine Chapel is just two hands pointing at each other, and I don't feel the need to create a thread about that (it IS kind of a lame icon though).

It's a pair of hands on a chiseled background, does the trick.

(Is chiseled the word? What's english for "agrietado"?)

 

[Scaramanga]

It's such a shame that a company with so much experience of doing games based on world history keeps making this same mistake again. It isn't that hard to open wiki and type "the Kremlin" in the search bar before having an artist make this shiny little picture of St. Basils.

Doesn't that suggest that they're aware of the confusion but have chosen to go the "romantic" way for the sake of aesthetics?

 

[motor_ola]

It's such a shame that a company with so much experience of doing games based on world history keeps making this same mistake again. It isn't that hard to open wiki and type "the Kremlin" in the search bar before having an artist make this shiny little picture of St. Basils.

That's what I thought was so weird. And it's not just an icon they're making, it's the in-game 3D-model, a painting for the completion, a blurb probably read by a voice actor, and some misc info for the civilopedia. Surely they must know which building is which.

 

[Lord Arska]

Doesn't that suggest that they're aware of the confusion but have chosen to go the "romantic" way for the sake of aesthetics?

In this case they should have made a picture of the Spasskaya tower instead.

Spoiler :

It isn't as widely known in the West as St. Basils, but at least it's the most recognizable (real) part of the Kremlin and very well know in Russia. I'm also sure that people in the West have at least seen it on some photos too.

As someone has already pointed out this is a minor issue, but being partly Russian I don't like the fact that two famous Russian wonders are confused in a popular strategy game about history.

 

[Describer]

I have suspicion that this issue is caused by neoliberal stance of most of civ's developers. The Kremlin is not there for the same reason left-wing leaders are not there.

 

[Venereus]

I have suspicion that this issue is caused by neoliberal stance of most of civ's developers. The Kremlin is not there for the same reason left-wing leaders are not there.

They were there before. "Jon Shafer is right-wing" is hardly a plausible reason for The Kremlin issue.

 

[r_rolo1]

Heavens, are we talking of the same guys that putted ...

...as the internet project symbol in Civ IV? The ones that called the communism tech "Utopia" in the XML files of the same game? Those guys are "right wing" ?

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