Stargate SG-1 cancelled by Sci-Fi

ofc u had to like Baal, seein ur name is Baal :lol::lol::lol:
yeah i agree Baal was probably the Best of the goa'ulds, but I think that Anúbis was the stronguest, by the time Baal reached "power", humans had already weapons and stuff that could match his "power" a bit, while against Anúbis it always felt like he was always in control of any given situation
Camelus was the guy that Weir accepted the request to remain in the SGC, right? what happened to him? I don't remember
Chronus was a bit of dissapointment, I like Lord Yu's character, and I found a nice touch having that dude hanging around him cause he was old, which sounds reasanoble, no point in making the goa'uld immortal, that's just too "ancient"...
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I've got no real problem with Apophis' continued survival. It always made sense and was well explained, rather than the common; "he leapt from the pit, in an amazing bound" solution employed by many sci-fi shows. My problem is that I just don't feel that Apophis was a compelling enough character to keep alive for so long. Baal was easily the most compelling Goa'uld, but there were other good ones who were wasted. Camulus springs to mind immediately; he only lasted two episodes, despite being the second most interesting Goa'uld, after Baal.

Apophis was at least a CHARACTER. He had a personality. You could love him or hate him. Anubis was supposed to be scary because, as a half-ascended being, he did not buy into all the ceremonial warfare and fancy clothes of the Goa'uld. He was efficient. This made him absolutely dull too. Sure, he could destroy any fleet in the galaxy, but not with style, like Apophis could.

I agree that SG-1 had a bit of a problem with killing some characters off too soon. See also Sokar.
 
Camelus was the guy that Weir accepted the request to remain in the SGC, right? what happened to him? I don't remember

I think he was either killed or given back to the Goa'uld as part of a diplomatic deal? Either way I'm pretty sure he died.
 
Anubis was a good way of introducing the Ancients though. Atlantis wouldn't have been the same if it weren't for the Anubis backstory.
 
ofc u had to like Baal, seein ur name is Baal :lol::lol::lol:
yeah i agree Baal was probably the Best of the goa'ulds, but I think that Anúbis was the stronguest, by the time Baal reached "power", humans had already weapons and stuff that could match his "power" a bit, while against Anúbis it always felt like he was always in control of any given situation
Camelus was the guy that Weir accepted the request to remain in the SGC, right? what happened to him? I don't remember
Chronus was a bit of dissapointment, I like Lord Yu's character, and I found a nice touch having that dude hanging around him cause he was old, which sounds reasanoble, no point in making the goa'uld immortal, that's just too "ancient"...
phone's ringing lo...
Baal was the best villian in the history of the show, period. Whether Goa'uld or not. Anubis was portrayed as the strongest threat - excepting perhaps the Replicators, since Anubis had to play by certain rules, and they didn't - but Baal was much more interesting and compelling.

Camulus was the Goa'uld who stayed on Earth, yes. SeleucusNicator is correct, he was traded back to Baal as part of some sort of deal to keep Baal from attacking Earth. This was when Baal was using technology left behind by Anubis - after he was presumed killed after his failed attack on Earth - and conquered Camulus' territory. Camulus was the only Goa'uld with a ZPM, and Baal wanted it. Camulus booby-trapped it in an effort to kill Baal and/or the SGC - I don't think he much cared which, so long as it ensured his own survival - but was discovered. Presumably, Baal killed him, as he disappeared after that episode, but there's a chance he went on to join Baal and Athena in the Trust. I was always hoping he'd show up as one of Baal's unwilling lieutenants at some point.

Kronus and Yu were both good characters, but again, they died way too quickly. Nirrti was a good character as well, but her death came at the right time. Most of the other Goa'uld weren't particularly interesting at all. Hathor was played really well by the actress, but the episode she was introduced in was one of the worst of the entire series. Osiris (Sarah) was only interesting due to the host's relationship with Daniel, as were Klorel (Skaara) and Amounet (Share). Zipacna was an interesting character, and more could have been done with him, as with Tanith. I think they must have been forced to get rid of certain characters due to problems with the actors involved, as Tanith had great storyline potential, yet was killed by Teal'c extremely easily.

Apophis was at least a CHARACTER. He had a personality. You could love him or hate him. Anubis was supposed to be scary because, as a half-ascended being, he did not buy into all the ceremonial warfare and fancy clothes of the Goa'uld. He was efficient. This made him absolutely dull too. Sure, he could destroy any fleet in the galaxy, but not with style, like Apophis could.

I agree that SG-1 had a bit of a problem with killing some characters off too soon. See also Sokar.
I think a big problem with Anubis was the lack of an actor to play him. It's hard to be ominous when you're a voice in a hood, or constantly switching bodies. The only time Anubis was interesting was when he and Daniel went toe-to-toe. There's a reason Anubis was given a First Prime people could hate as more than a nameless Jaffa, and it was because no-one cared about him on his own.

Sokar was an interesting character, but I think he needed to die for Apophis to become a powerhouse, which was better for storyline purposes. Still, they could have kept him alive a little longer. For that matter, while I have no problem with Apophis killing Heru-ur - I even like the way he did it, at a peace summit with the guy of all things - I once again think it was rushed. I guess that's one of the problems with what's basically an action series. Action sometimes requires a little less character development than I'd like.

EDIT: I just remembered Anubis' 'son,' Khalek. Now that was an interesting character, and showed what the Anubis character could be with a talented actor at the helm. The actor basically portrayed Anubis, just with facial expressions and a non-enhanced human voice. Much better that way.
 
Camulos Camulus was given over to Bhall (wait, we're talking SG1, not FfH2) Baal, along with the depleted ZPM which he believed was the ZPM he had found and tainted with an powerful explosive residue that would set off an explosion releasing all the ZPM's energy if someone tried to use it. He was returned with the understanding that he would use the device to kill Baal, but O'Neil feared that he would instead bribe Baal with it and tell him how he could use the device to blow up an entire solar system. Either way, it is implied that having the dead ZPM ruined his plan. Baal might have killed him, or might have kept him as a prisoner.


In Stargate: Continuum Camulus appears as one of Baal's lieutenants. Of course, this is an alternate timeline, where Ra is alive and serves Baal too. (They probably should have gotten a different actor to play Ra. I think they got the boy from the original movie, but he was an adult by then. I don't understand why he would go about 5000 years without aging and then age at a normal rate for a decade after that.)



The more relatable Goa'uld were more interesting. That puts, Baal, Lord Yu, and Apophis (at least once he surrenders to SG1 and we hear his host speak) on top. Anubis was better when he was a mysterious unnamed new power than when we finally saw him. Having Osiris be more important could have been interesting, as the host's relationship with Daniel would cause more tension.


I think it would have been rather interesting if it were revealed that one of the system lords was actually a Harcesis or a host of a dead symbiote who had managed to pass for a Goa'uld for a few centuries. Or maybe, the Tok'ra could remove the symbiote from one system lord only to find that his host was even more sadistic. Goa'uld with Ancient, Aschen, Tollan, Nox, Asgard, or Wraith hosts could also have been rather interesting. I always kid of wished that a technologically advanced society of Unas free from hosts would be discovered. (I actually considered civilized Unas as a likely candidate for what the Asgard would call Furlings.)
 
In Stargate: Continuum Camulus appears as one of Baal's lieutenants. Of course, this is an alternate timeline, where Ra is alive and serves Baal too. (They probably should have gotten a different actor to play Ra. I think they got the boy from the original movie, but he was an adult by then. I don't understand why he would go about 5000 years without aging and then age at a normal rate for a decade after that.)
Cool to hear that Camulus made a return, even in an alternate timeline. I really should get around to watching those movies, but I didn't want to buy them. I was hoping my magazine collection would eventually give them to me for free, but no luck.

They also used the same Ra actor when the team went back in time to Ancient Egypt. The reason he wore the mask the whole time was to disguise how much he'd aged. Nice that they can get the same guy I guess, but I don't see why it's necessary.

The more relatable Goa'uld were more interesting. That puts, Baal, Lord Yu, and Apophis (at least once he surrenders to SG1 and we hear his host speak) on top. Anubis was better when he was a mysterious unnamed new power than when we finally saw him. Having Osiris be more important could have been interesting, as the host's relationship with Daniel would cause more tension.
Hearing Apophis' host speak was a great moment. Poor bastard.

I think it would have been rather interesting if it were revealed that one of the system lords was actually a Harcesis or a host of a dead symbiote who had managed to pass for a Goa'uld for a few centuries. Or maybe, the Tok'ra could remove the symbiote from one system lord only to find that his host was even more sadistic. Goa'uld with Ancient, Aschen, Tollan, Nox, Asgard, or Wraith hosts could also have been rather interesting. I always kid of wished that a technologically advanced society of Unas free from hosts would be discovered. (I actually considered civilized Unas as a likely candidate for what the Asgard would call Furlings.)
Not sure on the Harcesis idea. Passing for a Goa'uld is an idea I've had myself, but more for the Trust than the System Lords. Infiltrating them at a high level like that is the sort of thing I'd expect from some rogue NID. I've also thought about a host being even worse than the Goa'uld, or a host actually controlling a Goa'uld. A Wraith Queen could potentially have controlled a Goa'uld, I think. Baal was strong enough to control Adria, but I can't think of many Goa'uld with that strong a will.

I, too thought that more should have been done with the Unas. I found the Aschen to be quite weak myself, though I like a group that plans really long-term like that. I don't see a Goa'uld even being able to take a Nox or Asgard host. Tollan or Ancient hosts would be interesting from a technological point of view, but Anubis already went there.

I missed the Her'ur storyline. Which season was that?
I don't recall the exact season. It was after Apophis took over Sokar's territory. He and Heru-ur met to sign a Non-Aggression Pact and divide the galaxy between themselves - think Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact - but SG-1 and Selmak sabotaged the meeting by making Apophis think Heru-ur was attacking him. Apophis then took out Heru-ur with a fleet of cloaked motherships - presumably something Sokar had been working on, as Apophis didn't have the technology before he took over Delmak.
 
Also, speaking of characters they killed quickly: Tanith died during the first few seconds of a non-storyarch episode!!
 
SeleucusNicator said:
he did not buy into all the ceremonial warfare and fancy clothes of the Goa'uld. He was efficient. This made him absolutely dull too.

yeah lol, the most effective goa'uld, the one that was different from all of them ended up being a bit dull, I kinda agree with that too lol..

Yeah I never liked Hathor's introduction episode, was kinda lame :s

Yu died when? that must have been one of my missed episodes :'(
I liked Yu lol.

Tanith got killed in the most stupidiest way... he story between him and Teal'C was really nice, so I dunno I expected some good Jaffa revenge like Teal'C defeating him in last minutes of an episode in a hand-to-hand battle... not in the beggining of an episode and with cannon vs ship lol... sure it made the sense so Teal'C could get trapped in the Stargate, but it completely blew the "end" of the "Teal'c's revenge story"...

Zipacna was a "good" bad guy, cause I really hate him, I tought he was an absolute dickhead. which is one of the best traits needed for one to hate a villan, lol Heru'Ur was an imbecile which had to be put to death to end his own misery but Zipacna was quite "hatefull" so he suited perfectly, I still remember his arrogancy defending Klorel in Tollana (or New Tollana, whatever) nice episode...

The only time Anubis was interesting was when he and Daniel went toe-to-toe.
very nice moment :P

Sokar was an interesting character, but I think he needed to die for Apophis to become a powerhouse

yeah that made up but still come on, "the devil" died quickly lol.. and he had that infernal appareance, I still think Sokar would had given an incredible arc, but he's arc would look like the Anubis arc, an ancient goa'uld returns more powerfull, beats the crap out of the system lords, comes after Earth, end ups dying in some way lol...

Yeah even tough Heru'Ur wasn't killed by SG-1 the way he died was perfect, Apophis showed why he was who he was, if that made sense, lol..
 
I think it would have been rather interesting if it were revealed that one of the system lords was actually a Harcesis or a host of a dead symbiote who had managed to pass for a Goa'uld for a few centuries. Or maybe, the Tok'ra could remove the symbiote from one system lord only to find that his host was even more sadistic. Goa'uld with Ancient, Aschen, Tollan, Nox, Asgard, or Wraith hosts could also have been rather interesting. I always kid of wished that a technologically advanced society of Unas free from hosts would be discovered. (I actually considered civilized Unas as a likely candidate for what the Asgard would call Furlings.)

I don't think that civilized Unas would be the Furlings, personally I wouldn't like it... but ofc that's just my opinion... I always tought that name stupid.. I think Furlings I think Ewoks, period :D
The harcesis I dunno, but the idea of the Tok'ra taking a simbiote from a host, and the host kept "being" a goa'uld, beucase he was evil, or tainted by the simbiote's evilness lool, but I think a former host being as bad as it's simbiote would be very interesting :P

and I just read the post again... loool wicked Goa'Uld with an Asgard host lol pretty weird, imagine his eyes glowing loool and that would be very very hard to beat except in hand-to-hand combat, lol I would pay big to see a Goa'uld asgard lifting Teal'C up and throwing him into the air ^_^ lol

Lord Baal said:
Hearing Apophis' host speak was a great moment. Poor bastard.
That's Stargate history on my opinion, one of the best moments I think...

Aschen strategy were quite unnusual.. lol but I also agree I think they're quite pathetic cause come on, in the alternative time line they helped the humans defeated the Goa'Uld, so they had obviously powerfull weapons/technology... so I was kinda hoping for a bigger challenge, btw that diplomat guy (that married Sam in the alternative line) died right?... that policy of never leaving a man behind doesn't work for politicians? :P^_^
 
Yeah I never liked Hathor's introduction episode, was kinda lame :s
A terrible episode indeed. Though she did look great in that outfit.

Yu died when? that must have been one of my missed episodes :'(
I liked Yu lol.p
RepliCarter killed him towards the end of the 8th season.

Tanith got killed in the most stupidiest way... he story between him and Teal'C was really nice, so I dunno I expected some good Jaffa revenge like Teal'C defeating him in last minutes of an episode in a hand-to-hand battle... not in the beggining of an episode and with cannon vs ship lol... sure it made the sense so Teal'C could get trapped in the Stargate, but it completely blew the "end" of the "Teal'c's revenge story"...
They could have had Teal'c get trapped in the Stargate without the need for it being Tanith he took a shot at. The only good thing about that episode is that it introduced one Rodney McKay. Tanith wasn't the type to fight hand-to-hand, but I could see him attempting to escape Teal'c and climbing aboard an already doomed ship or some-such. He was a coward after all, as he proved when he fled the battle between Apophis and the Tok'Ra.

Zipacna was a "good" bad guy, cause I really hate him, I tought he was an absolute dickhead. which is one of the best traits needed for one to hate a villan, lol Heru'Ur was an imbecile which had to be put to death to end his own misery but Zipacna was quite "hatefull" so he suited perfectly, I still remember his arrogancy defending Klorel in Tollana (or New Tollana, whatever) nice episode...
You got the name right, Tollana. Zipacna was great like that. He had a cameo recruiting Osiris to work for his new master, Anubis, and was so dickish during it that even Osiris found him revolting. A great low-level bad guy. Again, I'd like to see him in some future storyline about the Trust.

Heru-ur wa a disappointing character, but I still think that his position as the second-strongest Goa'uld at the time required more expansion. As it was, I think he was only in two episodes. He was a lot like Apophis, in that he'd obviously worked his way up from the bottom, being the type to lead troops personally.

very nice moment :P
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yeah that made up but still come on, "the devil" died quickly lol.. and he had that infernal appareance, I still think Sokar would had given an incredible arc, but he's arc would look like the Anubis arc, an ancient goa'uld returns more powerfull, beats the crap out of the system lords, comes after Earth, end ups dying in some way lol...
I often thought that the Anubis and Sokar characters were similar. Though Anubis was more business-like, whereas Sokar was more of a sadist. I loved his scene with Apophis though, when Apophis proved that he was pretty badarse and brave for a Goa'uld, by single-handedly killing two of Sokar's Jaffa and escaping his mothership. That's impressive, especially since he waited, while being tortured, until the First Prime was in range to strike.

Yeah even tough Heru'Ur wasn't killed by SG-1 the way he died was perfect, Apophis showed why he was who he was, if that made sense, lol..
I really wish there'd been more Goa'uld-on-Goa'uld violence. There was plenty of it alluded to, but very little of it happened onscreen. Baal was said to have personally killed or forced into vassalage somewhare in the vicinity of half-a-dozen System Lords in Season 8, including Bastet and Kali.
 
I don't think that civilized Unas would be the Furlings, personally I wouldn't like it... but ofc that's just my opinion... I always tought that name stupid.. I think Furlings I think Ewoks, period :D
The giants who spoke Mayan (Quetzalcoatl) were rumoured to be the Furlings, as they fought the Goa'uld and were clearly highly advanced. I think it's more likely they were an entirely new race though. The Goa'uld clearly went to war with them, and possibly wiped them out, as the Goa'uld began attacking a sanctuaries they'd set up for other races (in Season 6, when Jack and Maybourne end up in one such sanctuary). It never actually occurred to me that they should be furry until Jack mentioned it in an episode.

That's Stargate history on my opinion, one of the best moments I think...
It was a great moment. Especially as Jack had actually asked Daniel in an earlier episode; "how much of the host do you think is still around after all this time?" 5,000 years of being a slave in your own body. I don't think I can say it any better than; poor bastard.

Aschen strategy were quite unnusual.. lol but I also agree I think they're quite pathetic cause come on, in the alternative time line they helped the humans defeated the Goa'Uld, so they had obviously powerfull weapons/technology... so I was kinda hoping for a bigger challenge, btw that diplomat guy (that married Sam in the alternative line) died right?... that policy of never leaving a man behind doesn't work for politicians? :P^_^
Yeah, the diplomat died. Politicians get left behind even when they don't need to be. They are politicians, after all. The only enemy worse than the Goa'uld.
 
The giants who spoke Mayan (Quetzalcoatl) were rumoured to be the Furlings, as they fought the Goa'uld and were clearly highly advanced. I think it's more likely they were an entirely new race though.

Yeah, the diplomat died. Politicians get left behind even when they don't need to be. They are politicians, after all. The only enemy worse than the Goa'uld.

LOL, politicians are such nice ppl that we wish them so well (very ironic :lol::lol: )

but he didn't see him dying, only fighting... he could had been arrested, tortured (dunno why, maybe for the aschen own personal sadistic pleasure..) and then killed, but a "civilized" civilization (lol, did that make sense?) would only enprisioning him for life...

hmm I forgot the giants, maybe but lol still furlings» fur » ewoks... bah I'll never get passed that lol, if I ever do a mod about stargate I'll put as the Furling's LH an ewok...lol I promise :D . Funny episode tough, not the best as in wow!!, but I laugh a bit with that one...
 
The most advanced races had the technology to stop the symbiote from taking over, but I don't know of anything that would make them immune in the first place. Of course, being compatible with the host would require that the symbiotes be descended from a queen with a sample of their DNA, which could be harder to get from a Asexual race like the Asgard. Without being tailored for the human body and being acclimated to it though incubation in a Jaffa there used to only be a 50% chance that a symbiote could take over a human host with out both of them dieing.

It is actually pretty widely believed (in FanFics at least) that Ra had taken an Asgard host before coming to earth. The Alien shown in the original movie would then be the old host instead of the symbiote. It actually does look somewhat across between a modern Asgard and the Asgard from 30,000 years ago (a little closer to the modern, which makes it seem quite a reasonable way fr the Asgard to have looked 10,000 years ago when the Goa'uld first rose to power), more than it looks like an Unas at least. It is often thought that Ra's position as supreme system lord came from technological knowledge he gleamed from this host, but that the Asgard body was not fully compatible with the symbiote. By the time he found Earth it was rejecting him and he needed a new host.


I believe that Heru-ur's power was explained by him being the son of Ra, and having inherited most of Ra's forces when SG1 killed the supreme system lord.



There is no way the Furlings are Ewok-like. I would loose all respect for the show if they did something like that, in more than just an imaginary episode 200 sequence that is. (By the way, I hated 200.) Having such a cute sounding name necessitates being a rather tough and uncute race, imho. I tend to think that the Furlings should have no fur at all, but be reptilian/insectoid. The Re'tu or the Gadmeer seem like possible candidates.
 
The most advanced races had the technology to stop the symbiote from taking over, but I don't know of anything that would make them immune in the first place. Of course, being compatible with the host would require that the symbiotes be descended from a queen with a sample of their DNA, which could be harder to get from a Asexual race like the Asgard. Without being tailored for the human body and being acclimated to it though incubation in a Jaffa there used to only be a 50% chance that a symbiote could take over a human host with out both of them dieing.
Thor proved himself capable of taking over an entire ship with his mind, I think an Asgard brain would therefore be impossible for a Goa'uld to seize. They could take an Asgard body, but not one that already had an Asgard in it.

DNA could be taken in ways other than sex. Just because Hathor was a little on the slutty side - a good thing in a woman or a 10,000 year old Egyptian goddess - doesn't mean that's the only way a Goa'uld could obtain DNA. I doubt the queen that aligned with Anubis to produce Kull warriors nailed one of them beforehand. And I always wondered if Goa'uld used Jaffa-type incubation in their previous hosts.

It is actually pretty widely believed (in FanFics at least) that Ra had taken an Asgard host before coming to earth. The Alien shown in the original movie would then be the old host instead of the symbiote. It actually does look somewhat across between a modern Asgard and the Asgard from 30,000 years ago (a little closer to the modern, which makes it seem quite a reasonable way fr the Asgard to have looked 10,000 years ago when the Goa'uld first rose to power), more than it looks like an Unas at least. It is often thought that Ra's position as supreme system lord came from technological knowledge he gleamed from this host, but that the Asgard body was not fully compatible with the symbiote. By the time he found Earth it was rejecting him and he needed a new host.
Fascinating, I hadn't heard that theory. I always thought the host looked like a stunted Unas myself, which would fit with Ra's talk about a disease wiping out the Goa'uld. Then again, Ra was a known liar, so it wouldn't be surprising if he fabricated the disease story entirely.

Ra taking an Asgard host would explain both his dominance of the Goa'uld, and the Goa'uld's stunningly quick rise to power. They are said to have stolen their technology from other races, and there is mention of species being used after the Unas and before Humans, but it's never revealed which. Ra managing to snag an unsuspecting Asgard explorer would go a long way towards describing how the Goa'uld progressed from a relatively unadvanced culture on the Unas homeworld to an interstellar empire almost overnight.

I believe that Heru-ur's power was explained by him being the son of Ra, and having inherited most of Ra's forces when SG1 killed the supreme system lord.
Yes, he was the son of Ra and Hathor. WIth Ra dead, he'd have inherited Ra's empire, but not his claim to hegemony of the Goa'uld, which went to Kronus. Kronus was never declared Supreme System Lord though, and Ra did seem to have been declining in power. He had lost several wars in the few hundred years prior to his death.

There is no way the Furlings are Ewok-like. I would loose all respect for the show if they did something like that, in more than just an imaginary episode 200 sequence that is. (By the way, I hated 200.) Having such a cute sounding name necessitates being a rather tough and uncute race, imho. I tend to think that the Furlings should have no fur at all, but be reptilian/insectoid. The Re'tu or the Gadmeer seem like possible candidates.
I liked 200 as a stand-alone episode. Same as Wormhole X-Treme, the 100th episode. I liked the amount of in-jokes - the Farscape scene had me in hysterics - and the fact that you could tell the actors were just having fun, not taking things in the least bit seriously. A terrible way to run a show, but okay every once in a while. If they'd gone another 5 seasons, I'd have paid good money to see episode 300: "This is madness!" "No! This is STARGATE!"

I tend to agree that the Furlings should be furless, or at least no more furry than normal. I don't think the Retu or Gadmeer qualify though. They're simply not advanced enough. The Retu couldn't defend themselves from the Goa'uld, and the Gadmeer were forced to abandon their own homeworld to invaders. I don't see the Furlings being such pushovers. Even if the Furlings lost a war to the Goa'uld, it would not be pretty, and wouldn't result in the situation the Retu and Gadmeer were in.

The Nox and Asgard were more than capable of going toe-to-toe with any enemy that came along, so the Furlings should have been likewise. I always wanted the Asgard to be involved in a massive interstellar war. Asgard vs Ori would be sweet, because I always found Asgard technology to actually surpass Ori or Ancient technology in the field of weaponry. I always wanted that explored, maybe a revelation that the Ancients weren't all-powerful as they claimed, and only had the knowledge they had upon Ascension.

Regarding the Furlings, I've always thought a cool storyline would be a race impersonating them. Since the Tauri don't know what Furlings look like, it would be a good way of a species gaining access to the Asgard database. They agree to help the Fifth Race out, have some advanced technology and seem like friendly chaps, then stab the Tauri in the back and steal the technology, possibly eliminating the Nox or another powerful species in the process, just to remove a potential rival.
 
I never said that sex was needed, only that it made it easier.

I get the impression that the Goa'uld would not need a Jaffa equivalent for the Unas because they evolved on the same planet and so likely had very similar DNA to begin with. I tend to think that Jaffa aren't that important anymore anyway, as the Goa'uld have had human hosts and human genetic infusions for generations. None of the symbiotes cloned by the NID were killed by a failed belnding process. I suppose that it is possible that adapting to human hosts could however make the symbiotes less compatible with the Unas, making a Jaffa-equivalent needed in order to become reacclimated to their old host. Since the Kull warrior hosts were designed with the symbiotes in mind, the host rather than symbiote may have been genetically adapted to be more compatible.


At the time that Ra may have taken an Asgard host, the Asgard relied more on cloning but were still able to reproduce sexually.

Supreme Commander Thor probably had a greater strength of will than most Asgard. The Asgard are also accustomed to having their minds moved to computers as part of the process of transferring to new bodies, so he may have known how to control a ships computer better than a symbiote. Anubis may have been in a hurry to get all the information for Thor as he could, and thus did not set up enough security measures. A Goa'uld who needed to keep his host would have been more careful. I get the impression that when fully suppressing the host the symbiote does not have access to the memories, so Ra's host's resistance may have limited what knowledge he was able to gain from him and explain why the Asgard are still more advanced. Perhaps more importantly though, this was probably before the Alliance of Four Great Races was formed, so the Asgard would have gained a lot more advanced technology from Ancients after that. Modern Asgard probably have far greater mental capabilities than those of 11,000 or 30,000 years ago. Their heads are certainly bigger. If the 30,000 year old host was able to house a modern Asgard mind then they could just have taken its DNA and transferred all the Asgard to clones of their ancestor.

I just found a stargate wikia article on Ra's Asgard host: http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Famrir Apparently it is from a licensed RPG, so might or might not count as canon.

I just looked for Famrir online expecting to find some minor Norse deity by that name, but it seems that the name only applies to the Asgard and to a certain anti-herpes drug.


The Nox could not go toe-to-toe with any enemy--or rather, they wouldn't. They are philosophically opposed to any warfare, even fighting for self defense, so have not developed military technology apart from their cloaking technology.

The Furlings are often hypothesized to have been been similarly pacifistic. The technology most strongly believed to be of Furling origin was the device that took people to the Sanctuary, which was designed to not allow any weapons inside.

The Re'tu were quite advanced and were able to fight back, they were just greatly outnumbered. The Gadmeer probably could have fought but held a pacifistic philosophy like that of the Nox that forbade them from doing so. The fact that they are extinct (but won't stay that way) woud explain why they haven't been seen for so long.


The Furling script looks sort of like Arabic or Syriac, which could indicate a connection to some peoples from the middle east. The Asgard runes certainly shows a connection to the Norse, but the Ancient alphabet looks more like cuneiform yet the language is most closely related to Latin.


I'm pretty sure that the Ori have been shown fighting the Asgard, or at least Earth vessels with lots of Asgard technology. The Asgard were able to put up a better fight than anyone else, but the Ori still had a significant edge. If I recall, Asgard weapons were initially unable to penetrate Ori shields, although they eventually adapted a new weapon that could. Asgard shields never reached the point where they could withstand a direct hit from the main weapon of Ori ships. It has been declared that Ori technology has advanced beyond that of the Ancients, and that the Asgard are still only able to understand only a small portion of the legacy the Ancients left them.
 
Anubis was a good way of introducing the Ancients though. Atlantis wouldn't have been the same if it weren't for the Anubis backstory.

There's a backstory for the ancients? What is it? I've never watched much sg-1
 
There's a backstory for the ancients? What is it? I've never watched much sg-1
Basically, the Ancients came from another galaxy, after a split between them and the Ori. They were the same species then, known collectively as the Alterrans. The Ancients believed in science, whereas the Ori were religious - I'm sure there was more to it than that, since the Ori were clearly at home with science and technology themselves, but this is the Ancients takling.

Anyway, the Ancients arrived in the Milky Way, and bregan building Stargates and terraforming planets for themselves. They also did a little genetic experimentation, resulting in the Human race. Some of them went to the Pegasus Galaxy and founded Atlantis, but were forced to return after the Wraith effed them up. The Ori bioengineered a plague to attack the Ancients, and many of them died, but others were able to Ascend. This was due in part to research into energy-based life done at Atlantis. Some of the Ori were also able to Ascend.

There's your basic backstory there. There's more to it, involving Anubis managing to trick Oma Desala, and Ancient, into helping him Ascend by feigning remorse for his actions as a Goa'uld, and the fact that Ascension is possible naturally, without any spiritual component, so long as you have the genes for it; Anubis experimented with this in order to create an army of partially Ascended beings to use against the Ancients. But that gets more into the Goa'uld and Anubis stories than the Ancients.
 
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