Start bias for "neighbourhood"?

[RaidandTrade]

Is it my imagination or does proximity of neighbours change based on which Civ you pick?

For example, if I select Shaka or France for continents it feels like I've got four close neighbours that like to forward settle me whereas if I pick England I have to go looking (and invariably find Japan or Attila!).


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[Abraxis]

It seems like it, but it never seems to prioritize proximity to nearby real life civs over actual start bias condition placement. So it's more likely to actually occur on larger with a greater pool of possible start locations.
All based off experience though, I've never actually seen anything in the .xmls to indicate this

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[Walter R]

Approximately 1/2 (yes, 1/2) the time Monty is my near neighbour - we know each other so well...

Amazingly I haven't seen the irritating Macedonian for the last few games (probably sulking since the last nukefest) - in fact now I think about it I haven't seen him since King, so he's about due in next game - ugh! Start a new game later - think I'll select 0 CS

 

[reddishrecue]

Nearby civilizations start closer or farther sometimes. I recently have a start with Maria close to me and I already asked her to not settle too close to me.

 

[azzaman333]

Pretty sure there's no neighbourhood bias, but there is probably a coincidental bias because of start biases. For example, a jungle bias civ is less likely to start next to a tundra bias civ just because tundra and jungle are generally quite separate from each other.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think its just a coincedence. I wish Venice had a start near neighbors bias. I've been isolated far too much with them.

 

[redwings1340]

I think if you have a costal start bias, you're probably more likely to be on a small island, and therefore less likely to have neighbors. Beyond little indirect interactions like that though, I don't think there is one.

 

[reddishrecue]

So it is possible that Venice wouldn't start next to another civilization with a coastal starting bias and instead have the other civilization with a coastal starting bias in another island.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

I think its just a coincedence. I wish Venice had a start near neighbors bias. I've been isolated far too much with them.

That was my biggest beef when playing them. Twice I got stuck with no TRs out of Venice until the Renaissance. Those "purchased CS" TRs are usually crap until you start discovering more strategics since they'll generally only have one lux.

Funny part is if I roll any other civs I'm almost guaranteed to be 6-8 tiles from another capital. Dumb luck.

Azzaman's coincidental start bias explanation is probably the reason you run into the same civs a lot.

 

[njmfff]

Approximately 1/2 (yes, 1/2) the time Monty is my near neighbour - we know each other so well...

Amazingly I haven't seen the irritating Macedonian for the last few games (probably sulking since the last nukefest) - in fact now I think about it I haven't seen him since King, so he's about due in next game - ugh! Start a new game later - think I'll select 0 CS

I wish I had your luck. It seems to me that Greece, England, The Huns, Assyria, Denmark and Polynesia are every one of my game. They just won't go away. Attila is literally in every single game (and yeah, I use random civs, even for me)

on the other hand, I haven't seen Babylon, Iroquois or Venice in a while. Venice is usually wiped out before we meet tho or is usually stuck in Middle Age while most of us are in Modern.

 

[reddishrecue]

There is no tundra jungle so jungle biased civilizations don't start next to tundra that often.