Starting

[BCLG100]

Ive just had a wacky idea that may through a few of you out of your seats, how about we actually start this thing?

So when exactly are we going to get around to doing it. i appreciate how we have to have the mind numbly boring rule discussions to make sure we sap the fun out of the demogame but couldnt we just get on with it? start now and maybe have a slightly longer first term is anyone going to mind that much?

And another thing, why the need for these long discussions on whether to have chat stoppages, how many polls have we had so far 3? 4? 5?, why cant we go with the rules which we had during the first 2 demogames? did no-one notice we had more people involved then. so what if it led to a few people stretching the law it was still fun.

 

[Noldodan]

Well, since we haven't had discussion on any Articles of the Con in 3 days, I would say that everyoe is fine with the options already discussed. We should open the polls on them today or tomorrow, let them run for 5 days or so, and get our election cycle up and running next week. I want a Demogame up and running when I get back August 1!

 

[Sarevok]

It better, my personal interest in the DG is rapidly wearing thin. I may leave for good if it does not restart by September.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I've left in disgust again. The worst side of us comes out when we bicker of the consitution. Lets just run the friggin polls and get this game started. If there isnt a game by September, I;m outta here.

 

[Immortal]

Sarevok: It will be ready very soon, probably by august all those nagging details will be sorted out. ALl well need to to is start doing everything in August and by mid august well most likely be ready to go.

That beiong said, lets move forward with the constitution poll.

 

[Ankka]

Why would it take so long? Why does the Constitution have to be changed every time? Why can't we use the same one as in demogame #1 or #2, which seemed to be the most fun ones so far? Why so many rules? Why can't we just play on trusting our feelings, not always the boring logic and brains?


These discussions are SOOOO boring. No wonder how there are less people now than in demogames 1 or 2.

 

[BCLG100]

ah so i did bring up a good point, i was beginning to think i was alone in my thinking. Out of interest then have we had threads discussing our first build queue? first tech etc, i realise thatt hte leaders of these are meant to do this but this may sustain interest a bit longer.

 

[Sarevok]

I've left in disgust again. The worst side of us comes out when we bicker of the consitution. Lets just run the friggin polls and get this game started. If there isnt a game by September, I;m outta here.

Ill join you in the withdrawl.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I also prefer the time when we really play over the time in between games, but that time is also important. The sooner we get the constitution and other matters settled, the sooner we can start.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=94389
The ACLU.
Just read

 

[Cyc]

I read. I have another word for the big L...

Lowparticipation. I did my part. What have you done besides tell me you're angry?

 

[Rik Meleet]

Moderator Action: Don't get personal.

 

[Cyc]

Stuck and I have been around a long time. I'm hoping he didn't take that too personally. He should understand that if I didn't value his opinion, I wouldn't have read his attached post. It was supposed to come out light-hearted.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Yea. I know when Cyc means business. He at least has the respect, unlike some others, to post a rebuttal to an opinion, rather than silently brew over it and use it at a later date.

 

[Chieftess]

For next demogame, I think we'll just start the game ASAP, constitution or not. Set up a backbone ruleset of how the game is to be played, and just discuss the odds and ends while we play. That's essentially the way DG1 and 2 worked. This is the kind of stuff that turns users away.

 

[DaveShack]

I'm fine with wrapping up the rules and starting asap. I started polling suggested rules and got whacked by some citizens for not having more discussion, so tried to please them by discussing it some, but I think the amendment process will do the trick if we find something which needs to be changed.

 

[Falcon02]

Anyone have any clue how long it took DG1 to set up the ruleset and all?

I forget, but I don't think it was very long at all, I'm thinking about a week or so... but I could just have a fuzzy memory.

2 Months is DEFINATELY UNACCEPTABLE, yes I know it's important to get the legal stuff straightened out before the next DG, but for goodness sakes... it should not take this long!!!

I'm glad that there is now a mandated election start date and this we may actually get this show on the road.

 

[Bootstoots]

I've been paying little attention to the demogame's rule discussions since a couple of weeks after it ended for exactly this reason. Let's get it going ASAP.

 

[Octavian X]

Excuse me for being a tad cynical, but it's a bit hard not to be at this point. This seems to be an unending cycle. Phase one, we discuss the rules. Phase two, we get tired of discussing the rules and start the game, and no fundamental changes are made. Phase three, during the game, people complain about the rules. Phase four, the game ends, and rule discussion begins.

My suggestion: Impleament a very basic, no frills, living-by-the-spirit-of-the-law ruleset to get the game underway. Then, scrap the entire ruleset we know (and obviously love). Appoint a group of volunteers as a sort of Constitutional Committee to draft a new document to be presented before the people when they have finished discussing it in private.

 

[Cyc]

That's what Shaitan, donsig, disorganizer, and myself did at the end of DG1. It was an open door thing posted in the Citizen's subforum. It was a mammoth project, as we were starting from scratch with only 1 Civ3 Demogame under our belt. Daveshack and I tried to help ravensfire put together a document for DG4, but that did seem to go over to well... DG3 was pretty much a wash as no one wanted a ruleset that game, so a skeleton Constitution was drawn up - alas, no definitive rules...

Finding common ground for all in the way of a ruleset is the hardest part of a Demogame. You can side step it if you want, but you'll pay for it later, when you're scrambling for the document you should have completed first.

Octavian, the DoF drew up the first Constitution and everyone saluted as he was the originator of the game. Amendments were done immediately and continuously throughout DG1, which is why the group I mentioned in the first sentance of this post was put together towards the end of the game. Good luck on finding volunteers.