STR-08: Love To Hate -- Take Five

[50_dollar_bag]

Not much happened overall,
A nosy scout met it's end to a bloodthirsty Aztec warrior and 30 slaves were sacrificed in celebration.
A Khmer archer moved towards pigiron but I coaxed it onto flat territory and killed it.
Our exploring axe pillaged a sheep pasture outside Angkor Thom for 6 gold and a couple of mines outside Yasod for 10 and 7 gold a piece. I also cut a road between Yasod and HariHaraKrishna (and Aztec names are hard...)
Iron working revealed an iron mine connected in Khmer territory, unfortunately I attacked an archer/settler pair netting a worker but now our pillager axe has to act as an escort. Mathematics was selected as next tech but no turns have been invested.
Pigiron got it's pigs and copper improved, workers are now building a cottage to help balance out the food.
Tenoch and Teo have pretty much been on military production ever since Teo finished tis granary.
I started to move our stack into Khmer territory but should have left that to the next player to decide sorry, they're 2 moves out of our borders.

 

[Ozbenno]

Got it. Will wait until tomorrow for thoughts on...

What are people's thoughts on taking down Sury? Do we try and take his cities now or wait until Construction. Do we want to just try and raze a few cities or pillage him senseless?

We happy with Mathematics as research (probably yes) or rather Alphabet to try and get some trading done.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Angkor Thom should be able to be captured/razed quite easily with the latter option being a little more preferable as it's quite close to the capitol.
Yasodhara looks like it has walls so cats would be best for that task.

Researchwise I think maths instead of alphabet, we only know Hatty as a trading partner for now and peace negotiations are a no-no with Surya.

 

[Ozbenno]

Well I started to play from the save in 50DB's post, razed a Khmer city and then when Iron Working came in I suddenly realised that it's the wrong save (you posted your starting save not end one, that's my trick so there may be a copyright issue as well).

Can you post the right one and I'll play.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

*Cough*
OK here's what happened...
When I finished my turns I went over the cities and evaluated what our path should be, then I took a screenshot and drew some arrows and a picture of the lochness monster. Next I went downstairs to eat my dinner which was getting cold. After that I went back upstairs and started my turns in another SG. What seems to be missing is me actually saving the game.

What do we do? Shall I play again or is it Kosher for Oz to play?

Hey look over there, isn't that another patch for BtS?

 

[r_rolo1]

^^not even a autosave?

Oh well... I thing this is a decision for the fearless SG leader. I'm fine with both options.

And where is the patch? I demand it now !!!!

 

[Strauss]

Replay the turns please 50_d_b. BTW I really like your drawing of the Loch Ness monster.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Sorry I highly doubt there's an autosave, I've started a couple of SP games since then. The only hope is that it's fallen on an Epic only year rather than a normal speed year. I'll have to check.

[EDIT] just saw your post Strauss, OK I'll play again.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

Turns out I'm only 23.75% idiot.
I saved the file to my hard-drive instead of my flashdrive.
I do all my posting at work instead of working.

 

[Ozbenno]

OK, I've got it.

Will play tonight.

 

[Ozbenno]

Let's do this again only at a later time.

Did this before.



See no reason not to do this.



We pop a GG I leave him for discussion as I have 4 turns left. Merge or attach. Maybe attach to warrior as super city raider or super medic?

We easily survive his pathetic counterattack.



We also met another neighbour. No. 3 on the hit list.



And collect an AI capital.



We also get our first of WW.

Our main problem is the size limit of cities due to hapiness. We may need Monarchy urgently or even settle a city to pick up the gold. We should have the troops on hand to deal the death blow to Sury soon or at least get out and pillage his iron. I think we probably need to raze his remaining cities until we can stabilise and grow our economy.

 

[r_rolo1]

Got it... will try to play tomorrow

 

[r_rolo1]

My turnset was not exactly animated..... I quickly realized that we would drop in a eco hole if we continued to spam units and decided to change the queues to other things ( even queued Mids in capitol )....

First of all sent a pillaging party to surya lands... if we finish his iron we'll be in a better position

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3 turns later the iron is gone:

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Decided to go south to try to intercept a settler group I saw ( lost track of him... maybe got south )

HRE discovered Alpha ( decided to trade Agri per Fishing... our captured city badly needs it ). Decided to OB him as well:

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As you can see, we're not exactly the big brains around here

In the last turn of my turnset ( got carried away and played one turn in excess ), Surya tries to see if we are awake. Offender promptly erased.

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Techs and resources screen:

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Auto log

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Logging by BUG Mod 2.11 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 155/750 (275 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:10:26]

IBT:

Turn 156/750 (260 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:11:03]
Tenochtitlan begins: The Pyramids (75 turns)
Tenochtitlan finishes: Axeman
Teotihuacan finishes: Jaguar

IBT:

Turn 157/750 (245 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:12:27]
Teotihuacan begins: Library (17 turns)
A Hamlet was built near Pigiron

IBT:

Turn 158/750 (230 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:13:23]
A Farm was built near Tenochtitlan
Teotihuacan grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 159/750 (215 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:13:50]
A Mine near Yasodharapura was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar
A Road near Yasodharapura was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar

IBT:

Turn 160/750 (200 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:14:21]
Jaguar promoted: Woodsman II

IBT:

Turn 161/750 (185 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:15:18]
Whip anger has decreased in Pigiron
Pigiron finishes: Axeman

IBT:

Turn 162/750 (170 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:16:00]
Pigiron begins: Walls (11 turns)
A Mine near Hariharalaya was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar
A Road near Hariharalaya was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar
Pigiron grows: 5

IBT:

Turn 163/750 (155 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:17:04]
Tech learned: Fishing

IBT:

Turn 164/750 (140 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:19:30]
Axeman 6 of Tenochtitlan (Axeman) promoted: Shock

IBT:

Turn 165/750 (125 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:21:05]
A Farm near Hariharalaya was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar
A Road near Hariharalaya was destroyed by Aztec Jaguar

IBT:

Turn 166/750 (110 BC) [09-Dec-2007 22:22:02]
Axeman 7 of Pigiron (Axeman) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Aztec territory at Yasodharapura, Axeman 7 of Pigiron (Axeman) defeats (4.20/5): Khmer Swordsman (Prob Victory: 90.4%)
Jaguar 1 of Teotihuacan (Jaguar) promoted: Woodsman II

I suggest that we turtle a little until we got cats... Surya has his cities full of units and we simply don't have enough power to dislogde him without siege.

We need to put a eye on Hatty and ( within current possibilities ) to prepare our offensive against her ( making a road would be a nice idea )

 

[Ozbenno]

If we're going to turtle until catapults (a long way away), we need to pillage every single square of Sury, leave him with nothing.

 

[Cabledawg]

Am I up next?

 

[Ozbenno]

Am I up next?

I believe so.

 

[Cabledawg]

Then I "got it"

 

[Cabledawg]

Preturn

Pigiron is unhappy and has 10 turns left of whip anger. I start a settler there for the Gold/Sheep spot. We cant afford it, but i like gold and at size 2, it can work the gold and still grow. I send a jag from yasod to the new site for MP duty.

Turn 168...math in---> construction.....60 turns...sweet
Turn 170...meet mansa
Turn 172...Library completes in Teo--->axe
Pyramids get built. I hire 2 scientist in capitol to slow growth and start a worker. In Pigiron, I whip the settler for 2 pop.
Turn 175...Im an idiot and let pigiron grow back into unhappiness. I hire 2 scientist there. GoldSheep is founded and a monument is being chopped out.

Turn 176...I whack an archer at Yasod. Pigiron comes out of unhappiness. I whack an axe near surys iron.
Yurn 177...In Teo, I complete an axe to 1 turn from completion...we dont need him yet and start a jag.
Turn 178...I start a cottage on the spices at the capitol. Its working the tile to slow growth anyway. I whip a granary at yasod for 2 pop--->start barracks.
Turn 179...Goldsheep completes a monument--->starts granary
Turn 181...worker completes in capitol--->Axe

Our lands

I did a little pillaging, but didnt put any units at risk. We still have the GG. Not sure what to do with him. Maybe we should settle him somewhere so our cats come out with 2 promotions. We are 4 turns from construction, but thatll go up when the money we got from losing the mids runs out. Sury is getting his iron from his buddy.

I took out 1 of his cows, came back to the iron and the iron was rebuilt, then he rebuilt the other cow. We need 2 pillaging stacks.

The Save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/97311/STR-08_AD-0115.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[Strauss]

Skip me guys. I am so swamped I have no time to read anything, let alone play. I'll be back this Friday.

 

[Ozbenno]

Let's throw in a roster as well

Roster

Strauss -
50 Dollar Bag - UP
Ozbenno - On deck
r_rolo1 -
Cabledawg -