Students tricked into making out with their parents.

[Hygro]

Mise, I just watched the video and I have to say, that was not cool.

 

[Mise]

We know?

I know that neither of my parents would stick their tongue down my throat in that situation. I can only hope that nobody here has parents who would stick their tongues down your throats whilst pulling a prank like this.

Considering the duration that they were making out and the positions many of them were in, it's a safe bet that there was tongue.

So do you think that your mum or dad would stick their tongue down your throat in that situation? You don't trust your dad to kiss your sister on the lips, without him trying to ram his tongue down her throat? My word, how little trust you have in your own parents...

Or, if not, that a lot of these oblivious, teenage boys with raging hormones were getting excited.

Only to later find out that it was their mother who was getting them all hot and bothered. What a breach of trust.

Yeah... that's kind of how a prank works

I'm sorry, but this opinion is built on the expectation that there is no ambiguous contact between a parent and a child, and the very reason why many people are upset about this prank is PRECISELY because this expectation holds no more.
You're trying to justify the presence of something based on its own absence, which is rather paradoxical to say the least.

And anyway, making out, feeling up and petting is maybe, strictly speaking, not having sex, but it's still far more sexualized than anything should be between member of a closely-related family - I doubt that if you would surprise your girlfriend doing such a thing with another man, you would just shrug and say "hey it's not sexual", which show how ridiculous this argument is. That's precisely what makes the joke of such poor taste.

What happened is not criminal per se, of course, but it's just revolting/repulsive considering our cultural values. Maybe some people are just not as affected by the Westermarck effect as other are, because for me the idea of such a joke is about as disturbing and icky as to make someone eat a big spider alive.

Well, if this is "disgusting" in the same way that eating a live spider is disgusting, then I guess there's nothing else to say...

I mean, it's a prank. Pranks are generally undesirable for the person being pranked. That's kind of how a prank works. A prank that involved eating a live spider would be a pretty good prank in my opinion. It's almost as if you people never had childhoods...

 

[amadeus]

I mean, it's a prank. Pranks are generally undesirable for the person being pranked. That's kind of how a prank works. A prank that involved eating a live spider would be a pretty good prank in my opinion.

So, what about sexualizing the parent-child relationship do you find funny? You don't think there could be anything traumatic about this experience? What if one of the students had been sexually abused by a family member? Would they have found it funny? I see no humor in this.

It's almost as if you people never had childhoods...

Good! I'm happy to say my childhood was absent of sexual contact with my family.

 

[Mise]

So, what about sexualizing the parent-child relationship do you find funny?

Nothing about sexualising the parent-child relationship is funny. But personally I trust my parents not to sexualise the prank by sticking their tongue down my throat. Do you think that your parents would stick their tongue down your throat? Are your parents just biding their time, waiting for the opportunity to stick their tongue down your throat?

You don't think there could be anything traumatic about this experience?

I think there could be something traumatic about any experience. Again, that's kind of how pranks work.

What if one of the students had been sexually abused by a family member? Would they have found it funny? I see no humor in this.

Were any of those kids sexually abused as children, or do you just assume that all children were sexually abused, and then base your response on that assumption?

I mean, if we have to assume that all parents want to stick their tongues down their kids throats, then surely we shouldn't even allow parents to have kids in the first place. It's just too dangerous. What if they go to kiss their children, but take the opportunity to stick their tongues down their throats!!! We can't allow adults to have children, because they might be child molesters!!!

Personally, I assume that most parents don't want to molest their own children.

Good! I'm happy to say my childhood was absent of sexual contact with my family.

Me too!

 

[Crezth]

It wouldn't be much of a prank if everyone was consenting and nothing was shocking and surprising.

Rape is the best of pranks.

So do you think that your mum or dad would stick their tongue down your throat in that situation? You don't trust your dad to kiss your sister on the lips, without him trying to ram his tongue down her throat? My word, how little trust you have in your own parents...

I didn't say anything like that. Come on, Mise, you're better than that.

I'm just saying that it's one thing to make it a short peck on the lips, or some other manner of kissing lite. But it looked like a lot more judging from the videos, hence the shock. This has nothing to do with me or my parents, although suffice to say I would be similarly shocked if I were in a situation like that.

I'm not speculating about how I think my parents would react. I'm looking at the god damn video. And reveling in the Freudian irony of it all.

Yeah... that's kind of how a prank works

A good prank burns an uncomfortable memory in an impressionable mind for all of time.

I mean, it's a prank. Pranks are generally undesirable for the person being pranked. That's kind of how a prank works. A prank that involved eating a live spider would be a pretty good prank in my opinion. It's almost as if you people never had childhoods...

Some people don't see the humor in pranks like this, I guess. I mean, I am sure I would laugh if I was an onlooker. But I'm trying to look at this from the pranked's perspective.

 

[amadeus]

Nothing about sexualising the parent-child relationship is funny. But personally I trust my parents not to sexualise the prank by sticking their tongue down my throat.

Except we aren't really talking about your parents, nor mine. Nor does the sexual nature of the act necessarily need to be intentional.

I think there could be something traumatic about any experience. Again, that's kind of how pranks work.

Pranks work in part by exploiting mental illness?

Were any of those kids sexually abused as children, or do you just assume that all children were sexually abused, and then base your response on that assumption?

No, but I don't make jokes about sensitive subjects around people I don't know, nor would I pull a prank on someone not knowing their past.

I mean, if we have to assume that all parents want to stick their tongues down their kids throats, then surely we shouldn't even allow parents to have kids in the first place. It's just too dangerous. What if they go to kiss their children, but take the opportunity to stick their tongues down their throats!!! We can't allow adults to have children, because they might be child molesters!!!

Straw man.

 

[Akka]

I know that neither of my parents would stick their tongue down my throat in that situation. I can only hope that nobody here has parents who would stick their tongues down your throats whilst pulling a prank like this.

So do you think that your mum or dad would stick their tongue down your throat in that situation? You don't trust your dad to kiss your sister on the lips, without him trying to ram his tongue down her throat? My word, how little trust you have in your own parents...

You make absolutely no sense.
In one hand it's all okay to have a parent kissing and petting his children, but on the other you act all bewildered that such a parent would also tongue-kiss and wonder where the trust is ?

The trust is here : my parents would not play such "jokes" in the first place. That's the point.

Yeah... that's kind of how a prank works


Well, if this is "disgusting" in the same way that eating a live spider is disgusting, then I guess there's nothing else to say...

I mean, it's a prank. Pranks are generally undesirable for the person being pranked. That's kind of how a prank works. A prank that involved eating a live spider would be a pretty good prank in my opinion. It's almost as if you people never had childhoods...

I'm more or less speechless about your point of view about "pranks". And childhood.
And I'm pretty sure I'm not insane enough to consider vile tricks like this "good pranks".
This is just completely whacky, and I'm not sure you're not actually trolling.

 

[Mise]

If you don't think your own parents would stick their tongues down your throat, why do you think that these parents are sticking their tongues down their kid's throats? How many parents do you think would stick their tongues down their children's throats, given the opportunity? How many parents are just desperately waiting for an excuse to stick their tongues down their kids' throats? How many parents are just biding their time, lying in wait, desperately hoping for that high school pep rally, where they will be called on stage, to ram their tongues down their kid's throat?

I'm looking at the god damn video.

You mean the video that shows no tongues down any throats? Where are you seeing tongue at all? I saw no tongue. Though, to be fair, I wasn't looking for any

 

[Crezth]

You mean the video that shows no tongues down any throats? Where are you seeing tongue at all? I saw no tongue. Though, to be fair, I wasn't looking for any

There's a woman who brought her son to the ground and another who put her son's hand on her rear. There's a third woman who is cradling her son's head in her hands. Please tell me these teenage boys aren't using their tongues.

 

[cybrxkhan]

What happened is not criminal per se, of course, but it's just revolting/repulsive considering our cultural values. Maybe some people are just not as affected by the Westermarck effect as other are, because for me the idea of such a joke is about as disturbing and icky as to make someone eat a big spider alive.

I agree. While the incest taboo varies considerably in scope and manner throughout different cultures, parents making out with their child is generally unacceptable, much more than pretty much every other type of incest, in Western culture so far as I know. It's just the cultural norm, and one that is pretty strong. I think most of us here can understand cousin marriage/incest - even if we're squicked by it - when it's encouraged in a lot of cultures, but this is parent-child incest here which is, as someone else said, an extreme breach of trust bvetween the parent and child - it simply doesn't compute if our cultural values are taken into context. In the case of, say, cousins of relatively the same age (and I would dare say even perhaps - perhaps - siblings of the same age), there isn't really as much of a breach of trust in our culture, because you'd just think "'oh stupid ignorant kids", while if its parent-child you'd think "why is the parent doing that to their own child?"

 

[LucyDuke]

"I was hazed worse for baseball club" is a crappy defense.

 

[Flying Pig]

"I was hazed worse for baseball club" is a crappy defense.

Well, the point is that part of being in sports clubs - particularly captain of a male one - is 'male bonding', which is a euphamism for having degrading and often painful things done to you in the name of tradition and team-building. By joining one of them, you kinda expect something embarassing to happen to you on your first night out.

 

[Mise]

There's a woman who brought her son to the ground and another who put her son's hand on her rear. There's a third woman who is cradling her son's head in her hands. Please tell me these teenage boys aren't using their tongues.

So you saw no tongues either. Good, I was beginning to think we weren't watching the same video.

Any mother would stop it immediately if their kid started thrusting their tongue down her throat. There aren't many mothers or fathers who want their children to stick their tongues down their throats. I certainly don't know any. Do you? What exactly makes you think that there are tongues involved, other than that there are teenage boys involved? You seem to be fixated on the fact that there are teenage boys on one side, whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that their parents are on the other side, with their blindfolds off, and yes, with their hands on faces -- in other words, the parents were in complete control of the whole thing. If you came up to me and held my head in both hands while I was blindfolded, who's in control of that situation? You or me? If I tried to stick my tongue down your throat, would you be able to stop me?

I'm assuming there that you would want to stop me. You seem to assume that the parents don't want to stop their children from sticking their tongue down their throat. If you can be so sure that a teenage boy will do what a teenage boy does naturally and try to stick their tongue down anything that moves, how can you be so sure that a parent will do the exact opposite of what a parent does naturally and, instead, actually molest their child?

 

[amadeus]

You seem to be fixated on the fact that there are teenage boys on one side, whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that their parents are on the other side, with their blindfolds off, in complete control of the whole thing.

That doesn't mean some white trash country bumpkin isn't going to find it all the more humorous and thus continue the act. I'd prefer to have schools not condoning this kind of thing.

 

[Mise]

I said a few pages back that I wouldn't recommend schools doing it. There are a lot of better pranks you could pull on high school kids. I just don't see why everyone thinks this is molestation or incest or whatever. It clearly isn't.

Also, I'd like to know what you mean by this:

That doesn't mean some white trash country bumpkin isn't going to find it all the more humorous and thus continue the act.

Do you mean that these parents may, in fact, stick their tongues down the kid's throats? If so then why on earth do you assume that they would do this? Do you always assume that parents will molest their children at the first opportunity?

 

[Crezth]

Any mother would stop it immediately if their kid started thrusting their tongue down her throat.

I find it hard to believe that the teenage boy wouldn't get really into a make-out session where the mystery woman brought them to the ground. And yet it persisted.

You're right that we can't know for sure, but judging from what we've seen, you can make a strong case for there being a significant level of sexual tension there.

There aren't many mothers or fathers who want their children to stick their tongues down their throats. I certainly don't know any. Do you?

Irrelevant. We only have the evidence to go by. The rest is interpolation with mothers generally not wanting to be involved with their children and the mothers actually ferociously making out with their sons on the other.

What exactly makes you think that there are tongues involved, other than that there are teenage boys involved? You seem to be fixated on the fact that there are teenage boys on one side, whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that their parents are on the other side, with their blindfolds off, and yes, with their hands on faces -- in other words, the parents were in complete control of the whole thing. If you came up to me and held my head in both hands while I was blindfolded, who's in control of that situation? You or me? If I tried to stick my tongue down your throat, would you be able to stop me?

Okay, a fair point. Again, though, we can't know for sure, but from what we've seen in the video, it's not a stretch to assume the 'rents were taking it a bit further than is immediately visible. I mean, they were taking some measures already - what's a bit of tongue extra?

I'm assuming there that you would want to stop me. You seem to assume that the parents don't want to stop their children. If you can be so sure that a teenage boy will do what a teenage boy does naturally and try to stick their tongue down anything that moves, how can you be so sure that a parent will do the exact opposite of what a parent does naturally and, instead, actually molest their child?

And now you understand why we're a bit creeped out by this.

 

[Mise]

I would be creeped out of there were tongue. But for me to believe that those parents were sticking their tongues down their children's throats, I would have to completely disregard everything I have ever learnt about parenting. I would have to throw out everything I have ever learnt from my own parents about how mothers and fathers would naturally act in such a situation. I would have to throw out everything I have ever learnt about human evolution, about how parents have a natural and overwhelming aversion to sexual acts with their own children. In short, I would have to radically alter my perception of parents everywhere, to the point where I believe that parents all secretly want to stick their tongues down their kid's throats.

You say there is no evidence that tongue was not involved. That's not true - the evidence is all around us, from the relentless logic of evolution to personal experiences we all have of how parents behave in reality. The video contains no evidence of tongue being involved; in order to believe that tongue was involved, you would have to believe that 10 parents, all from the same school, with children the same age, all, at the same time, in front of a huge audience and a video camera, disregarded millions of years of evolution, centuries of social mores, and decades of their own personal experience with both being a child and being a parent, and decided to ram their tongues down their children's throats. That's what you and all these other people in this thread believe. And it's freaking crazy.

 

[Lillefix]

And now you understand why we're a bit creeped out by this.

A bit??? I can understand that people here are a "bit creeped out", but that's not the impression I get when I read this thread. People call it incest and compare it to child abuse. That's an overreaction.

 

[Crezth]

I would be creeped out of there were tongue. But for me to believe that those parents were sticking their tongues down their children's throats, I would have to completely disregard everything I have ever learnt about parenting. I would have to throw out everything I have ever learnt from my own parents about how mothers and fathers would naturally act in such a situation. I would have to throw out everything I have ever learnt about human evolution, about how parents have a natural and overwhelming aversion to sexual acts with their own children. In short, I would have to radically alter my perception of parents everywhere, to the point where I no longer trust that parents don't all secretly want to stick their tongues down their kid's throats.

You say there is no evidence that tongue was not involved. That's not true - the evidence is all around us, from the relentless logic of evolution to personal experiences we all have of how parents behave in reality. The video contains no evidence of tongue being involved; in order to believe that tongue was involved, you would have to believe that 10 parents, all from the same school, with children the same age, all, at the same time, in front of a huge audience and a video camera, disregarded millions of years of evolution, centuries of social mores, and decades of their own personal experience with both being a child and being a parent, and decided to ram their tongues down their children's throats. That's what you and all these other people in this thread believe. And it's freaking crazy.

OK, I understand that there are massive evolutionary and biological influences that argue strongly against that being the case, again this is why there's such a sour reaction from parts of this forum. But it absolutely does not prove definitively that tongue did not happen (even though you don't really need to prove that there's tongue to say that there was some sexual tension going on there). That'd be like denying the CERN results on the grounds that "but we know neutrinos can't go faster than light!" It has no bearing on the evidence as it is.

Besides, the exception disproving the rule in examples throughout history (see: Oedipus) rather demonstrates that it is entirely possible that the parents put their tongues in their children's throats, your strong personal convictions be damned.

 

[Mise]

What evidence? There is no evidence in the video that tongue was involved. You said it yourself - there was no tongue in the video. There is evidence of parents being in complete control of the situation. All the "evidence" you keep putting forth is merely evidence that the parents were the ones in total, complete control. Kids blindfolded, but parents not? Yup, parents in control. Parents hands firmly holding the kid's face? Yup, parents in control. Kid's hands firmly at their sides? Yup, parents in control. Kids not knowing what the hell is going on, parents knowing exactly what's going on? Yup, parents in control. How many parents, in a situation of total, complete control over their children, in your opinion, would stick their tongues down their children's throats? I am aware that a tiny minority of parents molest their children. I contend that only this tiny minority would stick their tongues down their children's throats. From what you're saying, you seem to think that all parents are nothing more than potential child molesters.