JHLee
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Some suggestions about the Chinese area.
1. Starting spot
Why start on the only non-riverside spot when literally every other tile in the BFC is by a river?
Of course the human player can spend 1~2 turns to move to other more preferable locations,
but the AI will always settle on the starting spot.
Why not move it one tile down?
2. City & Resource Locations in 600 AD & 1700 AD Scenario (especially regarding the Confu. Holy City)
- Xian should be moved 1S in both scenarios, as with the starting spot of the 3000 BC scenario.
- Kaifeng should probably be replaced with Luoyang, which is a much older city and the captial of many dynasties including the Han and the Tang Empires.
(Not too sure about this, because Kaifeng was also a huge city from the Song era -in which Kaifeng served as capital- and on, probably bigger than Luoyang in the later eras)
- Nankin (600AD) and Shanghai (1700AD) should be replaced with Qingzhou (2N of Nankin), and Qingzhou should be the Confu. Holy City.
The accurate location of the San Kong. With the lack of Qingzhou in the current version, Nankin and Shanghai are (wrongfully) represented as the holy cities.
Qingzhou as a city would also represent the importance of the Shandong area, which was a major economic powerhouse due to its location at the mouth of the Yellow River.
Not too mention that the close-packed Kaifeng, Nankin, and Hangzhou in the 600 AD makes limits tile uses of each others.
- Move Kagoshima in the 1700 AD scenario 1N1W to Nagasaki, so it won't be settled on Gold and would dispute over the Pearls with Hangzhou.
- A mild suggestion: move the fish 1N1E of Hangzhou 1N, to include it in the BFC of Hanseong and therefore create a cultural border dispute over the resource, as it would be the case with the pearls between Nagasaki and Hangzhou.
3. Core/Historical Area of China
Currently, the row in the pink box turns to core area after China is resurrected after its destruction from Mongolia.
(Not too sure about the Mongols, but it is definitely not core from the beginning, and definitely becomes core after resurrection)
But why should the Mongols, or any resurrections, have to do with anything about those tiles becoming core?
The development and Sinification of the Yangtze riverside was not the result of Northern invasions.
And human players would never have those tiles as core because they would be defeated after collapse.
I suggest that it become core somewhere between 1000 AD and 1300 AD (so the timing is not too much different from the current version).
This would also allow more diverse city placements from players who want their cities to be in core.
Also, in the current version Taiwan is Chinese historical area from the very beginning.
IRL, they were inhabited by distant relatives of the Polynesians until the 13th century when Ming refugees fled to the island from the Mongolian horde.
Therefore I suggest that Taiwan become historical area only after the Mongolian invasion.
This could be implemented by either a fixed date (somewhere between 1200 and 1300),
after China loses a city to the Mongols, or after their resurrection from their collapse from the Mongols.
4. Core Area of Japan
Why is the southern area of the Japanese islands not core until the 1800s or so?
I can understand the late transformation into Historical Area of Hokkaido,
but Kyushu and Shikoku should be Japanese core at least by 1600, when the Tokugawa Shogunate was established IRL.
1. Starting spot
Why start on the only non-riverside spot when literally every other tile in the BFC is by a river?
Of course the human player can spend 1~2 turns to move to other more preferable locations,
but the AI will always settle on the starting spot.
Why not move it one tile down?
2. City & Resource Locations in 600 AD & 1700 AD Scenario (especially regarding the Confu. Holy City)
- Xian should be moved 1S in both scenarios, as with the starting spot of the 3000 BC scenario.
- Kaifeng should probably be replaced with Luoyang, which is a much older city and the captial of many dynasties including the Han and the Tang Empires.
(Not too sure about this, because Kaifeng was also a huge city from the Song era -in which Kaifeng served as capital- and on, probably bigger than Luoyang in the later eras)
- Nankin (600AD) and Shanghai (1700AD) should be replaced with Qingzhou (2N of Nankin), and Qingzhou should be the Confu. Holy City.
The accurate location of the San Kong. With the lack of Qingzhou in the current version, Nankin and Shanghai are (wrongfully) represented as the holy cities.
Qingzhou as a city would also represent the importance of the Shandong area, which was a major economic powerhouse due to its location at the mouth of the Yellow River.
Not too mention that the close-packed Kaifeng, Nankin, and Hangzhou in the 600 AD makes limits tile uses of each others.
- Move Kagoshima in the 1700 AD scenario 1N1W to Nagasaki, so it won't be settled on Gold and would dispute over the Pearls with Hangzhou.
- A mild suggestion: move the fish 1N1E of Hangzhou 1N, to include it in the BFC of Hanseong and therefore create a cultural border dispute over the resource, as it would be the case with the pearls between Nagasaki and Hangzhou.
3. Core/Historical Area of China
Currently, the row in the pink box turns to core area after China is resurrected after its destruction from Mongolia.
(Not too sure about the Mongols, but it is definitely not core from the beginning, and definitely becomes core after resurrection)
But why should the Mongols, or any resurrections, have to do with anything about those tiles becoming core?
The development and Sinification of the Yangtze riverside was not the result of Northern invasions.
And human players would never have those tiles as core because they would be defeated after collapse.
I suggest that it become core somewhere between 1000 AD and 1300 AD (so the timing is not too much different from the current version).
This would also allow more diverse city placements from players who want their cities to be in core.
Also, in the current version Taiwan is Chinese historical area from the very beginning.
IRL, they were inhabited by distant relatives of the Polynesians until the 13th century when Ming refugees fled to the island from the Mongolian horde.
Therefore I suggest that Taiwan become historical area only after the Mongolian invasion.
This could be implemented by either a fixed date (somewhere between 1200 and 1300),
after China loses a city to the Mongols, or after their resurrection from their collapse from the Mongols.
4. Core Area of Japan
Why is the southern area of the Japanese islands not core until the 1800s or so?
I can understand the late transformation into Historical Area of Hokkaido,
but Kyushu and Shikoku should be Japanese core at least by 1600, when the Tokugawa Shogunate was established IRL.
