Summary of the IGN Preview

[thestonesfan]

Calling the civ the Ottomans is dumb to begin with. It's arguable that the Ottoman empire was even the high point of the Turkish people. The Seljuk Turks' empire was nearly as large as their successors, and they brought about the fall of the Byzantine Empire and fought off the Crusades.

The Ottoman Empire was not of major significance for more than half of its existance.

 

[thestonesfan]

I think the German's should have a late Ancient Age UU. They pushed back both the Celts and the Romans as they settled into Europe. Still, their victories against the Romans were not due to military superiority, but declining Roman infrastructure.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by seanman42
It must have been a tough decision for Firaxis as to what to make the Spanish, as they were definitely religious (fervently Catholic, the Inquisition proves it), definitely commercial

I strongly disagree: there is mountains of literature on how UNcommercial spain is, which is why its wealth was pissed away when other european nations profited from smaller and poorer colonies.

Big mistake on that score. Expansionist would be far more appropriate.

My big concern is the (apparent) lack of new editor features. Two spring to mind: the ability to change the clock (e.g. reset years to single years like 1914 for scenarios) and the ability to set diplomacy.

R.III

 

[kring]

The following is inaccurately reported, though.

Vikings: Militaristic/Expansionist, UU is Berserker, Actually Berserk Longbowman with increased attack, defense, AND amphibious attack

Turks: Industrial/Scientific, UU is Siphai, a better attacking Cavalry Actually Ottomans and Sipahi

 

[yelahneb]

Originally posted by Richard III


My big concern is the (apparent) lack of new editor features. Two spring to mind: the ability to change the clock (e.g. reset years to single years like 1914 for scenarios) and the ability to set diplomacy.

R.III

i agree with his majesty. i can't imagine why on earth they didn't include the ability to fool with time in the editor! this severely impairs our ability to create realistic scenerios...

 

[Thunderfall]

-Carthiginians: Commercial/Industrius, UU is Numidian Infantry, spearman with increased attack/defense and no special resources

=Does this means it has both increase attack AND defence? or does it means it will have either increased attack OR defence
If both that makes it atleast a 2-3 Unit!! and what's with the no special resources ? spearman don't require any !!

You guessed correctly. Numidian Mercenary has 2/3/1 stats.

 

[IceEye]

I never heard numidians were horsemen! I´ve only heard they were black warriors that were very agressive.

 

[IceEye]

stats of the medieval swordsman?

 

[Raven1er]

Originally posted by Richard III


I strongly disagree: there is mountains of literature on how UNcommercial spain is, which is why its wealth was pissed away when other european nations profited from smaller and poorer colonies.

Big mistake on that score. Expansionist would be far more appropriate.

R.III

Expansionist and Religious would fit it. or Expansionist and Militaristic.

I come from the Basque people who actually kept spain alive

 

[Civanator]

I don't know if anyone said anything about this, but what is a Trade Network gonna be like?

 

[Raven1er]

its automated.
a worker takes on a huge job of connecting every city and every resource together in a big network.
its already in civ3, just automate the worker or press CTRL+N

 

[thestonesfan]

I don't know. I'm still mad about the Sipahi crap.

If they would substitute anything, it would be the knight, certainly not the cavalry. And they already have more than enough knight UU's.

They should have used the Janissary to replace the musketman.

 

[Michael York]

I think the arabs will be interesting. I pity Fireaxis, they build a massive empire (expansionist), they are and have been militarilistic, religious (obviously), and for the height of their civilization, very scientific, any pair would draw critism.
They sure will be fun to use.

the ghalic nation looks like fun to me.

 

[Michael York]

With respect to Carthage, i think the current choice is far better than war elephants; if memory serves me correct, the elephants were very uncommon. (didn't hannibal only have a handfull?)

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by thestonesfan
Calling the civ the Ottomans is dumb to begin with. It's arguable that the Ottoman empire was even the high point of the Turkish people. The Seljuk Turks' empire was nearly as large as their successors, and they brought about the fall of the Byzantine Empire and fought off the Crusades.

It was the Ottomans who finally conquered Constantinople, and prior to that, conquered large tracts of the Byzantine empire, on both sides of the Bosporus. The Seljuks were crushed by the Mongols, whereas the Ottomans managed to survive and even prosper in its shadow.

I don't think the Seljuks drove off the Crusaders, more like the local emirates and Saladin (who was Kurdish) and also the Fatimids of Egypt.

The Ottoman Empire was not of major significance for more than half of its existance.

For such a long-lasting regime, they were certainly successful enough.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Michael York
With respect to Carthage, i think the current choice is far better than war elephants; if memory serves me correct, the elephants were very uncommon. (didn't hannibal only have a handfull?)

Indeed, most didn't survive the crossing of the Alps. I think I read somewhere Hannibal only had 6 left after making the crossing, before the Carthaginians shipped some more to him by sea.

 

[Jeff Yu]

I rechecked the IGN article, and it turns out that the Viking Berserker is a bit more expensive than the Longbowman. I'll fix this in the main article. I guess that makes up for it being much better than a regular Longbowman.

 

[Exsanguination]

Originally posted by kring
The following is inaccurately reported, though.

Vikings: Militaristic/Expansionist, UU is Berserker, Actually Berserk Longbowman with increased attack, defense, AND amphibious attack

Turks: Industrial/Scientific, UU is Siphai, a better attacking Cavalry Actually Ottomans and Sipahi

Can you explain this? I don't know what you're saying...

If the Beserker is more expensive, I'd say twice as expensive is approriate. The ability for amphbious assaults in the ancient/medieval age with a unit that is actually POWERFUL (referring to standard longbowman) is enough to increase price alone. Firaxis better have some new things up thier sleeves becuase these new units will completely unbalance the game.

 

[Tweedledum]

I think I may have found some new "favourite civs"...

Turks/Ottomans: a "better attacking cavalry" (A=7!?) AND they're Ind/Sci...

Vikings on Archipelagos (I might actually start playing on Archipelagos now!)

The Celts sound like fun as well - effectively a Mounted Swordsman, but no need for horses

It looks like some of the current civs might be about to go out of fashion

 

[Tweedledum]

Originally posted by Michael York
With respect to Carthage, i think the current choice is far better than war elephants; if memory serves me correct, the elephants were very uncommon. (didn't hannibal only have a handfull?)

He must have had very big hands...