T3 External Consulate - The Final Solution for India?

[Bertie]

Our peace treaty with India expires in 15 turns. By that time we should have dealt with the Dutch. I suggest we then go to war with the Indians.

The only question is should we eliminate them from the map or leave them with one unproductive city? If we leave them with a city the logical one would be Hyderabad (although it would pain me to give them a luxury). Alternatively we could gift them the city of Over There (although I’d prefer not to do that) and take all of their cities on our continent. The easiest course might be to eliminate them entirely.

I’ll poll this after we’ve had a chance to discuss the alternatives.

 

[Furiey]

If we were to leave them with one, other options would be either Karachi right next to our Capitol (minimising the flip risk as the distance to our respective capitols will be almost the same, but leaving them in our back garden) or Bengal, a new city right next to the Chinese capitol, which may have gems (but may not), but which may also block to route to the northern part of the continent.

edit: Bengal also has a luxury - Gems.

 

[mad-bax]

Over There is dead. It will flip, or will be captured inside 10 turns I think. Give it to the Indians. We can then take all the other cities. If someone else wants to take them out then fine.

 

[Kentharu]

i say whip them out there is absolutely no point in keeping them alive we let the dutch live i dont think we should be so soft with the indias, after all they are weak and spread out so they cant defend their capital or Karachl no peace just kill them

 

[zyxy]

Reasons to let India live:
- if there is a rep hit for elimination (not sure about this), we don't get it.
- slower tech pace (I hope I got it right this time).
- possibilities for trade and extortion -- unlikely, they'll have little to offer.

Reason not to let India live:
- no more culture flip risk.

Any other?

An alternative is to gift "Over There" to India, then take out their local cities, followed by an alliance with Maya or so, who will then conquer "Over There". That way, we'll have no flip risk, and won't get the rep hit.

 

[Chieftess]

I say don't worry about "Over There". It can't really be saved, and will raze even if someone takes it. As for India, take out the capital, and demand Karachi for peace. If it does become the capital, wait 10 turns before attacking (culture growth).

 

[mad-bax]

Second time around for India they will not make peace for 10 turns min. Also, they will be much more coy about giving up a city. I don't care whether we destroy them or not, but giving them Over There will allow us to take all the cities without taking the rep hit for destroying them.

The Byzantines are about 5 tiles from Over There. It would not be possible to keep it, but giving it to India would be fun IMO.

 

[vikingruler]

i say we take all their cities but burn Karachi and Jaipur or Hyderbad, the desert will get us oil. We should leave them with Bengal or capture it and give them Over There. I'd prefer leaving them with Bengal though.

 

[RoboPig]

take all their cities except bangalore, the desert terrain will give us a chance of oil and bangalore can be used for extortion.

 

[Bertie]

The Byzantines are about 5 tiles from Over There. It would not be possible to keep it, but giving it to India would be fun IMO.

How very evil! I like it. This is also the way I'm leaning. I've thought about gifting Over There to the French or someone else, but this seems a better solution to me. More, um, fun.

 

[zyxy]

CT brings up a good point I think (a bit hidden maybe): most Indian cities will autoraze.
Maybe we should also gift them Monarchy or Republic before going to war...

 

[mad-bax]

I'm putting Camelot and Provolutia on settler duty. It is my intention to average a settler a turn for the the entire term from Fanatannia. I hope we won't be short of settlers.

 

[greekguy]

We have to take Bangalore. It is good land and can flip some indian cities if we don't take it. We should also raze Karachi to build a fishing village. The rest of the cities should be taken but it's not as important. Also, if we gift Over There to the Indians, we can take all of their cities close to us and not suffer the rep hit.

 

[Ranger99]

hmm, My take: Give the indians 'Over there' wipe out the rest of them, dont keep anything else alive, Bangalore and Karachi ESPECIALY dont keep them alive, we dont want anybody attacking to our rear and taking us at a weak point (I dont know if the AI is smart enough to do that or not but...) So thats what i think we should do, Give them over there and then take the rest of their continental cities.

This looks like more of a strategic thread instead of a tactical one so that is just the big picture.

 

[Bertie]

Poll is up HERE .

 

[mad-bax]

I agree with Ranger.