TAM Scenarios

[Ankenaton]

Prepare for a long explanation Akhenaton.

The Urartians were one of the Hurrian tribes in Armenia. In 860, under king Aramu, they absorbed the surrounding tribes and organized a central state. Under the kings Menuas, Ishpuini, Argishti, and Sarduri II, Urartu became the strongest state in the region by conquering Kolchis, Syria, Cilicia, Lake Sevan, and the rest of Armenia. They were the main rival of Assyria until 714, when the barbaric Cimmerians crushed the Urartian army in the north. The Assyrians then invaded from the south and attacked Tushpa, the capital. The Assyrians were crushed and they turned back. The next time they invaded, they completely ignored Tushpa, saying that the Urartian cavalry was too strong. Urartu continued to deteriorate, aiding in the demise of Assyria and then, according to the Bible, were involved in an anti-Babylonian coalition. After that the Medes destroyed them and the Orontid Armenian kingdom arose from Urartu's rubble.

Thanks for the history on the Urartians.

 

[Hypnotoad]

A little feedback on the maps:

I find the normal and huge Med maps more fun to play. I think the main reason is that there are more resources on them. If basically every city can have at least one special resource, then I find the cities more interesting and my empire feels like it has more character. This, in my opinion, is one of the great things about Civ 4: the resources make your empires feel a lot less generic.

-- HT

 

[onedreamer]

ok, this thread is for people to post recommendations
and suggestions for TAM scenarios. but mostly cuz the
forum is empty. anyway, post away.
[punic wars is in production, by the way].

I'd like a real Rise of Rome scenario (I mean a scenario that covers history of Rome from its birth to the end of Republic), with just Italy, Tunisia, Greece, Dalmatia and maybe a bit of France.

Civs:
Romans/Latins (leader Romulus, capital Roma)
Etruscans (Larth Papathna, Velznax (Volsinii))
Faliscans (& Veii) (Halesos, Falesioi (Falerii))
Samnites (Novio Vesullico, Bovaianom (Bovianum))
Magno-Greeks (Hippocrates, Syracoussai (Syracusae)
Mycenae (Agamemnon)
Illyrians (Teuta)
Gauls (Brennus)
Carthaginians (Dido)

 

[AndreasS]

And please a version with Schytia and the Middle East as well: Egypt, Seleucid Empire, Parthia, Armenia and Pontus! And the Nubians is a must!

 

[Drtad]

If you want a scenario with Armenia in it, what time period would you be talking about? Orontid or Artaxiad (Artaxiad with Tigranes, Orontid with Orontes).

 

[Hypnotoad]

I really love the Huge Mediteranian map -- I like the way the resources are, how city layout works, etc. Would there be any way to take part of the map and make a smaller map? So, for example, making a normal sized map that extends a bit east of Persiapolis to Egypt? I don't know how these map making tools work, so I don't know how easy that would be to do.

Other options would, of course, include Europe, Carthage-to-Phonecia, Black Sea, etc.

-- HT

 

[thamis]

Isn't there a map like the one you're suggesting in 1.96?

You can't take parts of a map, but you can make more new maps.

 

[Drtad]

Thamis, any ETA on the Warlords release?

 

[thamis]

Sorry, no ETA. Definitely not before September.

 

[primordial stew]

I really love the Huge Mediteranian map -- I like the way the resources are, how city layout works, etc. Would there be any way to take part of the map and make a smaller map? So, for example, making a normal sized map that extends a bit east of Persiapolis to Egypt? I don't know how these map making tools work, so I don't know how easy that would be to do.

Other options would, of course, include Europe, Carthage-to-Phonecia, Black Sea, etc.

-- HT

I've been trying to find an appropriate map for civIV RFRE, and have written a perl script to chop parts of the map out and re-do the plot coordinates and BeginMap section. I haven't tried playing on such a map yet, but it does load and can get into worldbuilder.

This map trimmed down corresponds pretty well to the civIII RFRE map, but I have doubts that civIV can actually handle this scale. Or that most people have enough memory to handle it. How big does the game get by like.. 300BC, or 100AD?

 

[Jet]

This [huge Med] map trimmed down corresponds pretty well to the civIII RFRE map, but I have doubts that civIV can actually handle this scale. Or that most people have enough memory to handle it. How big does the game get by like.. 300BC, or 100AD?

In this thread Hypnotoad says that at 472 AD his save file was 1.3 MB. RAM, you'd have to ask him.

In my experience the limiting resource is computation: large games are annoyingly slow. I looked at a game on a 64x104 map in the modern era of vanilla civ and 4 AIs. The save file is 600 KB and when it runs Civ uses 700 MB of RAM. On a new, high-end machine, waiting for the AIs to finish their turns takes 30 seconds right after loading it, slowing down to at best 90 seconds after playing a while.

 

[primordial stew]

Sorry, while it is running, how much memory does it take? Minimize civIV and bring up the task manager. Sort by memory usage to bring civIV to the top!

The default Rhyes and Fall map, played till.. ~1400AD was taking around 720M. I haven't played TAM on the huge map yet.

I did try civIV on a computer with only 512M of RAM, but it got too painfully slow around the middle ages. XP dangerously trimmed down still takes ~120M.

 

[onedreamer]

512 MB RAM can be ok up to large maps on Win XP, although in the late stages it will be quite slower, but still playable. It also depends much on the video card.

 

[AndreasS]

If you want a scenario with Armenia in it, what time period would you be talking about? Orontid or Artaxiad (Artaxiad with Tigranes, Orontid with Orontes).

I want the time period to start shortly before the first punic war, and last to the imperial days, when Armenia became a part of the Empire....

 

[Drtad]

Hmm, that passes through three Armenian dynasties! You could have Orontes, Tigranes, or maybe even the king that adopted Christianity to Armenia making it the first Christian nation in the world, Drtad III.

 

[Drtad]

Dionysius, I have a map request. Could you make a map of the Caucasus, extending south to Ctesiphon, North to Kutaisi, East to Rhagae, and West to Caesarea? Please? I would really appreciate it. And no resources please.

 

[Drtad]

I have info for Assyria, sorry if I take so long its just that I am working on my big project. (and school)

Leader: Ashurbanipal (Industrious, Financial) UU: ? UB: ?

City list: Ashur
Nineveh
Dur-Sharrukin
Nimrud
Nuzi
Khorsabad
Arrapkha
Kalakh
Haran
Wasbukkani
Carchemish
Ebla
Esnunna
Sippar
Other Sumerian and Babylonian cities...

By the way, do we have an ETA now Thamis?

 

[Dionysius]

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[Drtad]

Normal size please. Thanks Dionysius! Make sure it has Ctesiphon and Kutaisi in it, the other stuff is just preferred. By the way, could you put a caption saying where Ctesiphon and Kutaisi are? Not very good with that areas geography, Armenia and Anatolia are my fortes.

 

[Drtad]

Thamis, now is there an ETA on the Warlords release? Is there anything I can do to help?