Tanelorn's Fleet

[Tanelorn]

The main surface class of the Royal Norwegian was a US Korean War Destroyer Escort design, modified for the North Atlantic that stayed in service from 1966 to 2007.
This is the 1975 - 1990 modification (Penguin and Sea Sparrow missles instead of helipad). 5 Built.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo-class_frigate
Of the 13 unmodified USN Dealey class (no guided missles, straight mast, a/sub mortar), one was sold to Colombia and Uruguay each. Both stricken by 1991- 1992.
The 3 Admiral Pereira da Silva class ships were Dealey vessels built in Portugal for that country that served from 1966 to 1989.
Dealey/ Da Silva/ C.Jones/ Berk:

A simplified, slower (only 22 Knots) diesel powered version of the Dealey, 4 the Claud Jones ships served in the Indonesian navy after 1974. The hull was too small to fit a sonar or effective anti-sub weapons and was deemed a failure (the Norwegians installed an English Ternay III and a sonar on their Oslo class at a later date).
The 2 Berk Class ships were Claud Jones vessels built in Turkey for that country that served from 1972 to 1999.

 

[Tanelorn]

The original US Destroyer Escort was the 19 Knots General Motors Tandem Diesel drive poweed short hull Evarts class. These were lengthened to become the Buckley class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evarts-class_destroyer_escort They were also part of the Royal Navy Captain class and the ROC navy.

A quick & dirty mod of Fairline's Fletcher Class DD into a generic WWII Destroyer Escort.
I went for the Cannon class, because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Eldridge_(DE-173) .
So, it is shorter, it has one funnel and low barbettes instead of turrets.
It as used by the United States Navy, Free French Naval Forces, Brazilian Navy, French Navy, Greek Navy (up to 1992), Japanese Navy, Philippine Navy, Republic of China Navy, Republic of Korea Navy, Royal Thai Navy, Marina Militare, Peruvian Navy and the Navy of Uruguay.
Incredibly, one ship of this class is still in service with the Philippine Navy in 2016!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_(FF-11)

The preceeding Buckley class shared the same hull but had a "Turbo Electric" drive that gave it 24 Knots instead of the Cannon's 21 Knot fuel efficient diesel-electric plant. These saw use by the USN, Chilean Navy, Republic of China Navy, Colombian Navy, Ecuadorian Navy, Republic of Korea Navy, Mexican Navy, Philippine Navy and the Royal Navy (incl. WWII use as the Captain Class).
The Rudderow-class destroyer escorts were upgunned Buckleys with two 127mm gun turrets and a General Electric steam turbo-electric drive engine that could push it to 27 Knots.

The Edsall class that succeeded the Cannon substituted this for an equally slow direct drive diesel plant (also 21 Knots) and served with the United States Navy & United States Coast Guard. One each was transferred to the Mexican Navy, Philippine Navy, Tunisia Navy and the Republic of Vietnam Navy. The Vietnamese ship was captured and used by the North Vietnamese. Since 1999 it is a training vessel.

The final WWII Destoyer Escort class, the J.C.Butler were Rudderows with the 24 Knots Westinghouse Geared Turbine drive. Some served in Portugal as well. The Butlers were succeeded by the Dealeys above, post-war.
Butler o Rudderow with the turrets and extra Bofors AA:

One unit, hundreds of ships.

 

[Tanelorn]

Two more conversions of Fairline's Fletcher class:
The Allen M. Sumner class, same hull as the Fletcher, three double 127mm turrets instead of five single ones, larger bridge, more AA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_M._Sumner-class_destroyer
United States Navy, Republic of China Navy, Argentine Navy, Brazilian Navy, Chilean Navy, Colombian Navy. Greek Navy, Republic of Korea Navy, Turkish Navy, Iranian Navy, Venezuelan Navy

The Gearing class, same as above, the midsection lengthened by 4 meters or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gearing-class_destroyer
United States Navy, Republic of China Navy, Greek Navy, Republic of Korea Navy, Spanish Navy, Turkish Navy, Pakistan Navy, Argentine Navy, Brazilian Navy, Mexican Navy, Ecuadorian Navy, Iranian Navy
Post war FRAM conversions coming for all three DD classes.

 

[Tanelorn]

After WWII, many US destroyers went through various FRAM ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Rehabilitation_and_Modernization) programs. The US navy kept these vessels in frontline service into the Vietnam war.
Between the 50s and the 70s, many were sold or transferred to US allies. In addition to those mentioned earlier, Fletcher users, both modernised and not included the United States Navy,Argentine Navy, Brazilian Navy, Chilean Navy, Colombian Navy, Greek Navy, Italian Navy, Japanese Navy, Mexican Navy Peruvian Navy, South Korea ROKN, Spanish Navy , Taiwan ROCN, Turkish Navy & West German Navy

 

[Patine]

Out of curiosity, though I believe a few are still kicking around, when did the US Navy and Royal Navy stop actually commissioning new battleships?

 

[Tanelorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship in commision 1943 out of service Early 90s, stricken from the reserve 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_George_V-class_battleship_(1939) in commision 1940 out of service1949 to 1957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23) in commission 1946 out of service 1960 last battleship ever built
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Jean_Bart_(1940) in comision 1940 out of service 1970 last non US battleship

 

[Tanelorn]

The Belgian 4 ship Wielingen class Frigate. In service with the Belgian Navy from 1976 to 2007 and sold to the Bulgarian Navy since 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wielingen-class_frigate
At 2000 tons. it is a relatively small and slow ship, reduced to just 26 Knots after a sonar renovation. It has well rounded anti-air/surface/sub capabilities but lacks a helicopter. It has been supplanted by the much better Dutch Karel Doorman class (on page 4) in Belgian service.

 

[Patine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship in commision 1943 out of service Early 90s, stricken from the reserve 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_George_V-class_battleship_(1939) in commision 1940 out of service1949 to 1957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23) in commission 1946 out of service 1960 last battleship ever built
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Jean_Bart_(1940) in comision 1940 out of service 1970 last non US battleship

But that would tragically mean, if a big naval war broke out in the 21st Century involving the big navies (hypothetically), no captain or admiral would get the privilege or satisfaction of being able to say, "I sunk your battleship!"

 

[Tanelorn]

Larry Laffer would.

Bundesmarine's 1st and only post WWII (problematic) destoyer. You think it is top heavy? You think it can't stay afloat? Stick a few more tons of weapons on it and trade seaworthiness for armament. At 35 Knots it was really fast though- think of it as a missle boat on steroids. I'd give it the trireme flag.
Restricted to the Baltic sea, for obvious reasons. Only 4 of the 12 planned built. Out of service by 1994.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg-class_destroyer

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Tanelorn, you are an amazing military historian.

 

[Tanelorn]

Thank you. I am just geeking out, curiosity feeds the need to draw and vice versa.
Modern Bundesmarine/ Deutsche Marine next.

 

[Tanelorn]

The five stealth Braunschweig class corvettes entered German service between 2008. Five more are in order, and there is talk of another batch of five whith the improvements of the 4 ship Israeli Sa'ar 6 class that is currently under construction. Despite its corvette size, the impressive Braunschweig has the full capabilities of a modern ocean going frigate except for ASW (which it lacks completely). Acceptance into service has been problematic though because of mechanical problems and delays with their UAV helicopter.

 

[Patine]

Wasn't there also a class of ship (or an individual ship) of some sort or another called Braunschweig in the old Imperial German Navy of the late 19th-Century until the end of WW1?

 

[Tanelorn]

Considering that I drive or walk by the Averof almost every day, it is weird I haven't tried my hand at a predreadnaught yet!

 

[Patine]

Well, I live roughly half-an-hour from Frog Lake, but I haven't tried my hand at a scenario centred on the 1885 Northwest Rebellion - Louis Riel's last stand...

 

[Tanelorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Rogov-class_landing_ship

 

[Tanelorn]

Combattante/ Lurssen fast attack boat family. Users include the Greek navy Combattante IIa(4+6 boats), III (4 boats) IIIb (6 boats)and ex-Tiger classes. the Libyan Beir Grassa (10 boats) class, the Iranian Kaman (12 boats) and Sina (4 to 9 boats)classes, the Malaysian Perdana class (4 boats) and the German Tiger (20 boats), Albatross (10 boats) and Gepard (10 boats) classes. Also the Chilean (4 Tiger, 2 Sa'ar3 and 4 Sa'ar4 boats ), Egyptian (5 Tiger class boats) and Georgian (one Combattante IIa, sunk) navies, the Turkish Dogan (4 boats) Yildiz (2 boats) and Ruzgar (4 boats) classes, Tunisia (3 Combattante III and 6 Albatross class boats), Indonesia (4 Andau class), Qatar (3 Combattante III boats) Ghana (2 Albatross class boats), the Bahraini Al Fateh (4 boats) and UAE TNC45 Ban Yas (6 boats) classes and the Israeli Sa'ar 2 (6 boats),3 (6 boats) and 4 (10 boats) classes (Sa'ar 4.5 is a much upgaded version used by Israel and Mexico), also exported to South Africa (3 Warrior class Sa'ar 4 boats), Sri Lanka (2 Nandimithra class Sa'ar 4 boats) and the Greek coast guard (4 gun armed Sa'ar 4 boats). They differ in armament but the hull is basically the same.

 

[Patine]

Combattante/ Lurssen fast attack boat family. Users include the Greek navy Combattante IIa(6 boats), III (4 boats) IIIb (6 boats)and ex-Tiger classes. the Libyan Beir Grassa (10 boats) class, the Iranian Kaman (12 boats) and Sina (4 to 9 boats)classes, the Malaysian Perdana class (4 boats) and the German Tiger (20 boats), Albatross (10 boats) and Gepard (10 boats) classes. Also the Chilean (4 Tiger, 2 Sa'ar3 and 4 Sa'ar4 boats ), Egyptian (5 Tiger class boats) and Georgian (one Combattante IIa, sunk) navies, the Turkish Dogan (4 boats) Yildiz (2 boats) and Ruzgar (4 boats) classes, Tunisia (3 Combattante III and 6 Albatross class boats), Indonesia (4 Andau class), Qatar (3 Combattante III boats) Ghana (2 Albatross class boats), the Bahraini Al Fateh (4 boats) and UAE TNC45 Ban Yas (6 boats) classes and the Israeli Sa'ar 2 (6 boats),3 (6 boats) and 4 (10 boats) classes (Sa'ar 4.5 is a much upgaded version used by Israel and Mexico), also exported to South Africa (3 Warrior class Sa'ar 4 boats), Sri Lanka (2 Nandimithra class Sa'ar 4 boats) and the Greek coast guard (4 gun armed Sa'ar 4 boats). They differ in armament but the hull is basically the same.

Even though it's not listed as an active user, French-made, I assume, by the family name?

 

[Tanelorn]

@Patine Actually, it is more like Israel wouldn't buy the Lurssen design directly from Gemany so the deal was taken over and built by the French as well as most of the subsequent export orders.There was a different original single French Combattante missle boat that the missle package was inherited from though.
-edit- P.S.
Jaguar class boats built for Israel in Cherburg (Sa'ar I and II) have also been designated as Combattante I.
There is a retoactivelly named Combattante I design, the 8 Um Al Maradim light missle boats that entered service between 1998-2000 to cover kuwaiti losses of the Iraq war. They are armed with British Sea Skua missles instead - they are Sa'ar I-II sized with a Sa'ar 4.5 style superstructure.

Anyway, the first operational missle boat was the Soviet Komar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komar-class_missile_boat
Users other than the USSR have included Algeria -6 boats, China 48 boats, Cuba-18 boats, Egypt 7 (plus 8 domesticaly built upgrades (October class) with Italian missles) Indonesia 12 boats, Iraq 3 boats, Myanmar 6 boats, North Korea 10 boats (plus another 6 North Korean built Sohung class currently in service), Syria 9 boats and Vietnam 4 boats.
The Chinese Type 024 Hegu class clone (80 boats) was also exported to Iran (10 boats).

Being relatively small and constructed of wood, the Komar-class boats had a very small radar cross-section. Its sophisticated radar enabled the missile boat, with its low radar reflectivity, to detect a larger enemy ship before the latter was aware of its presence, fire its missiles and speed away. This stealth feature has kept it in service to this day.

The first combat use of missile boats was by the Egyptian Navy operating Komar-class craft, which fired four Styx missiles (hitting with three) at the Israeli destroyer Eilat (ex-HMS Zealous Z class destroyer leader) on October 21, 1967, shortly after the Six Day War, sinking the Eilat with 47 dead and over a hundred wounded out of a crew of 199.

 

[Tanelorn]

Soviet Osa II missle boat.
Users:
Algeria 8 boats transferred 1978, Angola 6 boats transferred 1982-83, Azerbaijani Navy 1 boat, Bulgarian Navy 3 boats Cuban Navy 13 boats, Egyptian Navy 4 boats transferred from Finland, Eritrean Navy 5 boats (Originally Ethiopian), Finnish Navy 4 boats transferred 1974 as Tuima class, sold to Egypt in 2003. Indian Navy – 8 boats transferred 1976-77, decommissioned by 2003, Iraqi Navy 6 boats- all sunk, Libyan Navy 12 boats, Russian Navy, Somali Navy - 2, Soviet Navy 114 boats, Syrian Navy - 12 boats, Vietnamese Navy – 8 boats, Yemen Navy – 18 boats

Soviet Osa I missle boat.
Users:
Benin − 2 boats in 1979, Bangladesh Navy – 5 boats, China 4 boats plus over 130 Type 021Huafeng/ Hudong license-produced. Egypt 13 transferred from the Soviet Union 1966-8, some sunk during the Yom Kippur War, plus 5 ex-Yugoslav boats delivered in 2007. East Germany15 boats transferred 1962-1971 – decommissioned 1981-1990. India 9 boats transferred 1968-1971 – decommissioned 1983–1997. Latvia 6 ex-East German boats, decommissioned during the 1990s. North Korea 12 boats transferred 1968–73 (4 Chinese built Huangfeng and 8 North Korean built Soju class currently in service) Poland 13 boats transferred 1964–1975 – decommissioned 1984–2006 Romanian Navy – 6 boats in service 1964–2004 Soviet Union 174 boats Syria 8 boats Yugoslav Navy – 10 boats, Croatia inherited 1 boat, decommissioned during the 1990s. Montenegro sold 5 to Egypt in 2004, delivered in 2007. Iran 10 Thondor class (Hudong) entered service between 1994-1996

During the 1971 Indo-Pakistani war, the Indian Operation Trident and Operation Python Osa I attacks on Karachi destroyed half of the Pakistani Navy (!) and most of Pakistan's naval fuel reserves.