Taranis the Unchanging

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I've always had a strange interest in Taranis the Unchanging and was wondering if I could get some more information on who he is, how he was created, why he never dies, and what happened to him when Mulcarn fell. I've read the basic information, but I was hoping Kael or the Magister could tell me more about him. I'd be very grateful.
 
Taranis is Mulcarn's Arcgangel. Presumably, he is still standing on that little island, staring at the Orb of Succelus. He can't die because he is a pure embodyment of Stasis, an aspect of Mulcarn.
 
Maybe he can't die in your version, but I know I managed to kill him in AoI :p



Taranis's 'Pedia Entry said:
Mulcarn exemplifies many aspects of creation, one of these is Stasis. This is what he used to create his first servant, Taranis, called Taranis the Unchanging by men. His power is a gift and a curse; he will never be anything more or less than what he was at the moment of his creation. He cannot learn, he cannot adapt, he cannot grow, but neither can he be destroyed.

Mulcarn tasked Taranis with his protection, and as long as Taranis was close to his lord there was no power that could push him aside or destroy him. This is what Sucellus had before him when he came to fight Mulcarn.

Sucellus was the more powerful, but he could not injure Taranis. Likewise Taranis could not injure a god, but he could hold him off for eternity. They fought over the frozen wastes around Letum Frigis, neither making headway. Until Sucellus led Taranis to an island in the center of a frozen lake. Once there the God of Nature used his power to protect a small area from the touch of the blizzards that ravaged the land. The lake melted and Taranis was trapped on the island.

Sucellus went on to fight Mulcarn, and was killed by him. But Taranis still lives on that island, staring at the orb that keeps him trapped from across the deep lake he could never escape.

What is special about Taranis is that as an embodiment of stasis he can not change. I tend to think that perhaps he actually can be destroyed, but this destruction must be so great that it destroys all of him at once. Any injuries leading up to death are changes that cannot happen to him, but he can still be banished from Erebus.




All angels and demons seem to be immortal, not really in the true sense like Nemed and Os-Gabella, but in that when they are defeated their souls return to their god's vault to heal. The human(/elven/orkish/aifon) soul(/divine spark) is similarly immortal, but the mortal flesh lacks this immortality and will not regenerate to allow the soul to return to life. (Hmmm....I wonder if Taranis's inability to change would prevent him from being able to heal even in Mulcarn's vault. Of course, it might also mean he is the only archangel who would need no time for healing before leaving the vault again, as he was never injured, just moved.) The Divine Spark (which grants the possessor free will and the ability to channel mana) comes originally from The One. It is beyond the power of the lesser gods to create a divine spark, but one divine spark can give birth to another in the possessor's children. Mortal's inherited their mortality though a soulless mortal mother created by the combined action of the gods, but gained their immortal divine sparks from their father Nemed. (Although the pedia entries seem to say that Os-Gabella was created by the gods, her clear ability to use magic and her immortality of the same nature as Nemed's seem to me to indicate that she definitely has a divine spark and is beyond the gods' ability to create. Thus I am of the opinion that when the God of Life Nemed gave up his precept he split himself into two distinct and equal beings of either gender, so Os-Gabella is as much Nemed as the human Nemed is.) (I also tend to think that the Dwarven creation myth is just a myth and that they are in fact just another group descended from Nemed, since the idea that they have no souls seems wrong and racist. Originally in Kael's D&D games they were unable to use magic and had to hire human enchanters because of lacking divine sparks, but in FfH they can use magic. More importantly, they have religion and have specifically been shown pledging to give their souls to a god.)



We don't really have a lot of info on how the archangels were created. Kael has stated that they like the gods represent their spheres and so have personalities strongly connected to them, but that they are a "more human" representation of the sphere (although Mulcarn seems remarkably more human than Taranis). The One gave all his angels a Divine Spark that grants them free agency, but their precepts overwhelm their free will and force them to always think and act in terms of their one aspect. Erebus and Humanity was created so that divine sparks could dwell in a form made of equal parts of every aspect and thus be perfectly free to choose between them. (Even Agares was in favor of this and he is envious of the true "freedom of purpose" this affords humanity. He claims to offer those who fall with him freedom of purpose instead of just the illusionary freedom of action The One gave them, but I am of the opinion that freedom of purpose is impossible so long as they continue to control a precept and that only Nemed has attained such freedom. I believe that The One tried to take back the power of creation specifically so that the angels would give up their precepts and gain full freedom he had intended for them, but all the gods, even the good ones, have continued to use the power Agares stole and thus denied themselves the very freedom that they think they are fighting for.)



Satyr 'Pedia: Beltane Cycle said:
...Cernunnos lost his connection with Sucellus when he left the forest. But he hadn't realized that he could feel the connection with each of the gods until it was taken from him. Passionate Bhall, loving Sirona, vigilant Junil all had some part in his soul and drove him from the forest to save his son...
Recent pedia entries (like the Beltane Cycle) seem to imply that archangels have souls connected to multiple spheres and thus possessing free agency just like humans do. Obviously their god's sphere is dominant, but that is true even of humans who are devoted to their gods.

I typically guess that the angels(/demons), including archangels, were created by the gods using by splitting off a portion of their own souls into their new "children" (if so, I'm open to the dwarves having souls of the same sort as Kilmorph's angels and their creation story being true), perhaps in the same way as I guess Gabella was created only less evenly and where the god didn't give up his precept. Sometimes I wonder if maybe in doing so they might loose some of that aspect in themselves, so by making Taranis so fully embody Stasis Mulcarn made himself more prone to the changes of taking over creation, being slain, becoming a mortal, and becoming a god again. Kael however doesn't really support that view though, just holding that the archangels embody the same sphere but have the free will to embody it differently.

I've also toyed with the unorthodox view that maybe the gods didn't actually create their angels, and the distinction between Greater Angels/Demons (those who were always such) and Lesser Angels/Demons (former mortals) actually doesn't exist. In this view, the gods couldn't actually create any servants with divine sparks to be angels but they could adopt humans of the first generation (maybe even children of Nemed and Gabella before she rebelled?) and imbue them with their power. I find it interesting that Sucellus refers to the archangel not as Taranis the Unchanging but as Taranis the Defiled. Defiled implies that there was some point before he was touched by some taint (to the god of gradual change/growth/maturation the curse of stasis is a serious defilement), which doesn't fit the the view that he was always unchanging. This would fit better with the idea that he existed first as a more mutable being who became eternally unchanging when made into a servant of Mulcarn.
 
It seems like the Orb of Sucellus wouldn't stay there forever, someone would either take it or Taranis would figure out a way off the island. Just because he's unchanging doesn't mean that he can't think of a way to escape or someone accidently lets him go.

Of course, the Age of Ice ended and the Orb wouldn't need to be there but I figure he's smart but unable to learn anymore.

I like the view that when Mulcarn gave up the dominion/sphere of Stasis to Taranis, he became a very dynamic god with big plans. He's definitely one of the more active gods, especially since he doesn't have many souls in his vault.
 
Maybe he can't die in your version, but I know I managed to kill him in AoI :p.
Yeah, in the two times I played AoI the first I left the Orb where it was, then in the second I killed Taranis.

Although the pedia entries seem to say that Os-Gabella was created by the gods, her clear ability to use magic and her immortality of the same nature as Nemed's seem to me to indicate that she definitely has a divine spark and is beyond the gods' ability to create. Thus I am of the opinion that when the God of Life Nemed gave up his precept he split himself into two distinct and equal beings of either gender, so Os-Gabella is as much Nemed as the human Nemed is.) (I also tend to think that the Dwarven creation myth is just a myth and that they are in fact just another group descended from Nemed, since the idea that they have no souls seems wrong and racist.
So, maybe Os-Gabelle was created from some physical part of Nemed, like his rib or-Hold on no, someone already did that sorry.;)

I typically guess that the angels(/demons), including archangels, were created by the gods using by splitting off a portion of their own souls into their new "children" (if so, I'm open to the dwarves having souls of the same sort as Kilmorph's angels and their creation story being true), perhaps in the same way as I guess Gabella was created only less evenly and where the god didn't give up his precept. Sometimes I wonder if maybe in doing so they might loose some of that aspect in themselves, so by making Taranis so fully embody Stasis Mulcarn made himself more prone to the changes of taking over creation, being slain, becoming a mortal, and becoming a god again. Kael however doesn't really support that view though, just holding that the archangels embody the same sphere but have the free will to embody it differently..
Maybe because Mulcarn "gave up" Stasis to Taranis is why he's started to seem more human since his merger with Auric.
 
or Taranis would figure out a way off the island. Just because he's unchanging doesn't mean that he can't think of a way to escape

Yeah, I find it odd that he doesn't know how to swim :)
 
It seems like the Orb of Sucellus wouldn't stay there forever, someone would either take it or Taranis would figure out a way off the island. Just because he's unchanging doesn't mean that he can't think of a way to escape or someone accidently lets him go.

Well thats the problem he can't "think" because that would require him to adapt to his surcome stances, and he can't adapt. [Warning, technobable ahead] The reason I think he might be stuck their is because while he can't die, I think if he entered the water then he might "drown" but still be contious but unable to move do too drowning. And [the reast of this thought was edited, so spare the sanity of the reader]
 
sounds like to me taranis can't do anything to the point that you question why mulcran(did I spell it right?) even created him.
 
Well thats the problem he can't "think" because that would require him to adapt to his surcome stances, and he can't adapt. [Warning, technobable ahead] The reason I think he might be stuck their is because while he can't die, I think if he entered the water then he might "drown" but still be contious but unable to move do too drowning. And [the reast of this thought was edited, so spare the sanity of the reader]

Unchanging doesn't mean he can't think, it means he cannot learn. He can "adapt" within the limits of his past knowledge but cannot do anything that he wouldn't have been able to do at the moment he became unchanging. I doubt he would eternally drown and probably would just walk through the water like it was air. He probably just doesn't realize this because he was never faced with it before or the logic required to get there takes too long since he can't be innovative.

It's also strange that Mulcarn never freed him during the 350-400 odd years that he had during the Age of Ice.
 
But what if someone takes the Orb of Succellus? Wouldn't that have freed him as he could walk across the ice? And say no one killed him, where would he be now? My gut feeling makes me think he'd be attracted to the Broken Sepulcher because of he raw death mana inside it.
 
Raw Death Mana? What does that have to do with Taranis? Mulcarn's Element was/is Ice.
 
Oh, yeah. Broken Sepulcher has death mana. How about Letum Frigis when he we found out it was empty? He could be living out his eternal life in Letum Frigis, a place he's used to.
 
Oh, yeah. Broken Sepulcher has death mana. How about Letum Frigis when he found out it was empty? He could be living out his eternal life in Letum Frigis, a place he's used to.
 
Yeah, could be if he got free wondered off to Letum Frigis (Mulcarn "Throne" in Erebus, possibly the tip off a maontin on the first layer of Hell (mulcarn's layer)) and he is still waiting there.
 
I wish Kael would fill us in on him. Maybe give us some canon lore, too. Hell, someone should write a story about Taranis. The guy barely gets any mention.
 
I see Taranis as more like a robot/golem. He is unchanging in nature but can be ordered by Mulcarn to do his bidding. I think thats why he like the Lirch's golems and started to create Ice Golems of his own. (I forgot the Golem's Name (Barnaxis ?) that he gave "life" to)
 
How he gained the experience and how he god lost aren't really mysteries anymore. Barnaxus was among the golems that attacked the Illian capital just as the ritual to summon Mulcarn was completed. He was stopped and frozen in place by the wave of ice that spread from Mulcarn's first footstep, and then was animated by Mulcarn in order to be able to create more golems in his service. He continued to serve Mulcarn by building him Ice Golems while the god lived, and then went home.
 
Oh, thank you, Magister. Do you have anymore information regarding Barnaxus? I don't know much about him. Her...It.:confused:
 
But what if someone takes the Orb of Succellus? Wouldn't that have freed him as he could walk across the ice? And say no one killed him, where would he be now? My gut feeling makes me think he'd be attracted to the Broken Sepulcher because of he raw death mana inside it.

What Ice?

It is no longer the Age of Ice so even if the Orb was removed he would still be stuck on an island surronded by water...
 
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