Technology List and Cost

[fe3333au]

This is a resource thread for Technology Costs which is good when trading with Rivals.



Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery ... 60 [?]
Ceremonial Burial ... 60 [?]
Bronze Working ... 90 [?]
WarriorCode ... 90 [?]
Masonry ... 120 [?]
Mysticism ... 120 [?]
The Wheel ... 120 [?]
Alphabet ... 150 [?]
Horseback Riding ... 150 [?]
Iron Working ... 180 [?]
Philosophy ... 180 [?]
Mathematics 240 [?]
Writing ... 240 [?]
Code of Laws ... 300 [?]
Literature ... 300 [?]
Map Making ... 360 [?]
Polytheism ... 360 [?]
Currency ... 480 [?]
Construction ... 600 [?]
Monarchy ... 720 [?]
Republic ... 840 [?]

Notes
1. The [number] indicates a drop in cost when a rival has discovered it.
2. Green is an optional technology, not required to jump to the next Age.
3. Bolded will be the techs we know.

 

[fe3333au]

The Formula is ...

Research Cost = [MM * [10*COST * (1 - N/[CL*1.75])]/(CF * 10)] - Research done so far

Research Cost and research done so far are in gold.
Square brackets indicate truncation /rounddown

MM = map modifier(tech rate on world sizes tab in the editor)
Tiny 160
Small 200
Standard 240
Large 320
Huge 400

CF = AI cost factor(as on the difficulty tab in the editor)
For the purposes of the research cost formula, CF has a maximum value of 10.
Chieftain 10
Warlord 10
Regent 10
Monarch 9
Emperor 8
Deity 6

COST = technology cost as on the civilization advances tab in the editor.

N = number of civs on the diplomacy screen that have discovered the tech.

CL = number of civs left in the game
CL = 5 initially


Formula for MTDG II is ...
= MM * [ 10*COST * (1 - N/[5*1.75]) ] / (8 * 10)
= MM * [10 * COST * (1 - N/8.75)] / 80
= 240 * [10 * COST * (1 - N/8.75)] / 80
=

 

[fe3333au]

Using this formula ...

Variables (at this stage)
MM = 240 (Standard Map Size)
CF = 8 (Emperor)
N = 0 (since we have not met any other civ)
N = 1 (for those we began with or aquire)
CL = 5 (number of rivals)



Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery ... 1800
Ceremonial Burial ... 1800
Bronze Working ... 2700 ... Trade Value is 2391
WarriorCode ... 2700
Masonry ... 3600
Mysticism ... 3600
The Wheel ... 3600
Alphabet ... 4500 ... Trade Value is 3986
Horseback Riding ... 4500
Iron Working ... 5400
Philosophy ... 5400
Mathematics ... 7200
Writing ... 7200
Code of Laws ... 9000
[Literature] ... 9000
Map Making ... 10800
Polytheism ... 10800
Currency ... 14400
Construction ... 18000
[Monarchy] ... 21600
[Republic] ... 25200

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.



Questions
1. These values seem very large ... am I missing something ???
2. This one related to trading, are these beaker values directly proportunal to the gold value ?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

yes. The cost of the techs is the cost in the editor. I think you used the beakers listed above? For instance, the cost of pottery is 2, which if you use that formula, becomes 60 (240 *10*2 / 8)

To get the cost, divide the initial beakers by 30

 

[fe3333au]

Thanks AutoTeller

Using this formula ... and then divide by 30

Variables (at this stage)
MM = 240 (Standard Map Size)
CF = 8 (Emperor)
N = 0 (since we have not met any other civ)
N = 1 (for those we began with or aquire)
CL = 5 (number of rivals)



Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery ... 60
Ceremonial Burial ... 60
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 80
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 133
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working ... 180
Philosophy ... 180
Mathematics ... 240
Writing ... 240
Code of Laws ... 300
[Literature] ... 300
Map Making ... 360
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.



I assume that Beaker Values are directly proportunal to the Gold Value

 

[General_W]

Looking really great - this will be very useful! (esp. if well maintained)

I assume that Beaker Values are directly proportional to the Gold Value

This is only true at the very beginning of the game. Once we start getting libraries, Gold becomes more valuable than traded beakers. (Because every unit of gold can be converted into 1.5 beakers in our towns with libraries. Of course, not every town will have libraries… and once we start building market places – that balances the libraries, but I'm sure we'll always have way more libraries than we do markets. I'm sure the math could be worked out precisely on this – but it would be quite the complicated equation once we have more than a handful of towns.)

Bottom line: before literature, Gold = Beakers. Every library built makes traded Gold more valuable and traded beakers less valuable.

 

[fe3333au]

Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery (Turn 14 - 3350BC) ... 60 ... Current Trade Value is 53
Ceremonial Burial ... 60
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 80
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 133
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working ... 180
Philosophy ... 180
Mathematics ... 240
Writing ... 240
Code of Laws ... 300
[Literature] ... 300
Map Making ... 360
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.

 

[donsig]

Just after learning philosophy:

 

[donsig]

Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery(Turn 14 - 3350BC) ... 60 ... Current Trade Value is 53
Ceremonial Burial ... 60
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 80
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 133
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working ... 180
Philosophy (Turn 49 - 1830BC) ... 180
Mathematics ... 240
Writing (Turn 39 - 2230BC) ... 240
Code of Laws ... 300
[Literature] ... 300 (Turn 60)
Map Making ... 360
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.

Note: I don't know how to calculate trade values.

 

[Paul#42]

Note: I don't know how to calculate trade values.

CA2 offers them - slightly different for Fe's numbers though

 

[donsig]

Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery(Turn 14 - 3350BC) ... 60 ... Current Trade Value is 54
Ceremonial Burial ... 53
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 81
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 135
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working ... 180
Philosophy (Turn 49 - 1830BC) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 162
Mathematics ... 240
Writing (Turn 39 - 2230BC) ... 240 ... Current Trade Value is 216
Code of Laws ... 300
[Literature] ... 300 (Turn 60)
Map Making ... 360
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.

 

[donsig]

Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery (Turn 14 - 3350BC) ... 60 ... Current Trade Value is 54
Ceremonial Burial ... 53 ... Known by FREE
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 81
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120 ... (Expected: Turn 63)
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 135
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working (Turn 60 - 1525BC, FREE) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 162
Philosophy (Turn 49 - 1830BC) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 162
Mathematics ... 240
Writing (Turn 39 - 2230BC) ... 240 ... Current Trade Value is 216
Code of Laws ... 300
Literature ... 300 ... [/B] (Turn 59 - 1550 BC) ... Current Trade Value is 270
Map Making ... 360
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.

 

[donsig]

Ancient Age Knowledge (Beaker Costs)

Pottery (Turn 14 - 3350BC) ... 60 ... Current Trade Value is 54
Ceremonial Burial (Turn 65 - 1400 BC, FREE) ... 53 ... Current Trade Value is 54
Bronze Working ... 90 ... Current Trade Value is 81
WarriorCode ... 90
Masonry ... 120 ... (Turn 63 - 1450 BC) Current Trade Value is 108
Mysticism ... 120
The Wheel ... 120
Alphabet ... 150 ... Current Trade Value is 135
Horseback Riding ... 150
Iron Working (Turn 60 - 1525BC, FREE) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 162
Philosophy (Turn 49 - 1830BC) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 162
Mathematics (Turn 65 - 1400 BC, FREE) ... 180 ... Current Trade Value is 216
Writing (Turn 39 - 2230BC) ... 240 ... Current Trade Value is 216
Code of Laws ... 300
Literature ... 300 ... (Turn 59 - 1550 BC) ... Current Trade Value is 270
Map Making ... 360 ... (Expected Turn 72)
Polytheism ... 360
Currency ... 480
Construction ... 600
[Monarchy] ... 720
[Republic] ... 840

The cost reduces by 11.43% of the Beaker Cost each time another known civ pocesses it.

Tech indicates starting knowledge.
Tech indicates researched.
Tech indicates traded.
Tech indicates Goody Popped.
[Technology] denotes knowledge not necessary for Era Jump.

 

[zyxy]

Status on turn 74 (1175BC):

Tech	beaker cost	Known to	us	FREE	SABER

[color=blue]BW			3		x	x	x
Mason			3		x	x	x
Alpha			3		x	x	x
Pott			3		x	x	x
Wheel			3		x	x	x
WC			3		x	x	x
CB			3		x	x	x
IW			3		x	x	x
Math			3		x	x	x
Wri			3		x	x	x[/color]
[color=purple]Myst	120		0				[/color]
[color=green]Philo			2		x	x	[/color]
[color=red]CoL	261		1			x	[/color]
[color=green]Lit			2		x	x	
Map			1		x		[/color]
[color=purple]HBR	150		0				[/color]
[color=grey]Poly			0			-	-[/color]
[color=purple]Const			0				[/color]
[color=red]Curr	420		1				x[/color]
[color=grey]Rep			?			?	-
Mona			0			-	-[/color]

Tech known to all
Tech known to us, but not to all
Tech known to others, but not to us
Undiscovered Tech
Tech not visible to us. Sometimes it can be deduced that rivals cannot have it, indicated by a -.

 

[peter grimes]

great presentation. much easier to analyze

 

[zyxy]

Status on turn 80 (1025BC):

Not a lot of changes. SABER learned Philo, and we gave MapMaking to FREE.

Tech	beaker cost	Known to	us	FREE	SABER

[color=blue]BW			3		x	x	x
Mason			3		x	x	x
Alpha			3		x	x	x
Pott			3		x	x	x
Wheel			3		x	x	x
WC			3		x	x	x
CB			3		x	x	x
IW			3		x	x	x
Math			3		x	x	x
Wri			3		x	x	x[/color]
[color=purple]Myst	120		0				[/color]
[color=blue]Philo			3		x	x	x[/color]
[color=red]CoL	261		1			x	[/color]
[color=green]Lit			2		x	x	
Map			2		x	x	[/color]
[color=purple]HBR	150		0				[/color]
[color=grey]Poly			0			-	-[/color]
[color=purple]Const			0				[/color]
[color=red]Curr	420		1				x[/color]
[color=grey]Rep			?			?	-
Mona			0			-	-[/color]

Tech known to all
Tech known to us, but not to all
Tech known to others, but not to us
Undiscovered Tech
Tech not visible to us. Sometimes it can be deduced that rivals cannot have it, indicated by a -.

Oh, and thanks, peter!

 

[zyxy]

Status on turn 95 (670BC):

Long time since we had an update, but now that we have advanced to the next age and have met BABE it seems a good time to survey the status.
There are trade opportunities with SABER and BABE if we wish to pursue them. They don't seem to be trading together. SABER lacks Mysticism, Literature, MapMaking, HBR, Polytheism and Construction. BABE lacks Masonry, Math, Construction and Currency.

Tech	beaker cost	Known to	us	FREE	SABER	BABE

[color=blue]BW			4		x	x	x	x[/color]
[color=green]Mason			3		x	x	x	[/color]
[color=blue]Alpha			4		x	x	x	x
Pott			4		x	x	x	x
Wheel			4		x	x	x	x
WC			4		x	x	x	x
CB			4		x	x	x	x
IW			4		x	x	x	x[/color]
[color=green]Math			3		x	x	x	[/color]
[color=blue]Wri			4		x	x	x	x[/color]
[color=green]Myst			3		x	x		x[/color]
[color=blue]Philo			4		x	x	X	x
CoL			4		x	x	x	x[/color]
[color=green]Lit			3		x	x		x
Map			3		x	x		x
HBR			3		x	x		x
Poly			3		x	x		x
Const			2		x	x		
Curr			3		x	x	x	[/color]
[color=blue]Rep			4		x	x	x	x[/color]
[color=purple]Mona	720		0					

Mono	1080		0					[/color]
[color=green]Feud			2		x	x		
Eng			2		x	x		[/color]
[color=purple]Inv	1320		0					[/color]

Tech known to all
Tech known to us, but not to all
Tech known to others, but not to us
Undiscovered Tech
Tech not visible to us. Sometimes it can be deduced that rivals cannot have it, indicated by a -.

 

[zyxy]

Long overdue update. Look at the remarkable similarity between GONG and SABER:

Spoiler :

Tech known to all
Tech known to us, but not to all
Tech known to others, but not to us
Undiscovered Tech
Tech not visible to us, but possibly owned by a rival. Sometimes it can be deduced that some rivals cannot have it, indicated by a −.
* means optional tech

 

[Aigburth]

We definitely know that Babe are one of the two that have Chivalry as we have seen some of their Knights sauntering around on SCI.

 

[zyxy]

Yes, of course. Thanks!