Telephone telepathy 'proved'

[Xenocrates]

Rupert Sheldrake's website: http://sheldrake.org/papers/Telepathy/Nolan_abs.html

Rupert Sheldrake, whose research is funded by the respected Trinity College, Cambridge, said on Tuesday he had conducted experiments that proved that such precognition existed for telephone calls and even e-mails.

Each person in the trials was asked to give researchers names and phone numbers of four relatives or friends. These were then called at random and told to ring the subject who had to identify the caller before answering the phone.

"The hit rate was 45 percent, well above the 25 percent you would have expected," he told the annual meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science.

"The odds against this being a chance effect are 1,000 billion to one."

So basically Sheldrake, one of the World's top parapsychology researchers, has, once again, demonstrated that precognition/telepathy exists. Or at least that the probability of it is high.

I have a little experience of this, when I was young I took part in some telepathy trials and repeatedly got high scores in the tests. Since then I mostly forgot about it until reading up on Sheldrake's work a couple of years ago. Anyone else done telepathy tests?

Check his website guys and post comments.

 

[Narz]

Of course precognition/telepathy exists.

*Waits for everyone else to demand a thousand more studies be done by The New York Times, Wikipedia and The Last Conformist before they'll believe it*

 

[carlosMM]

Bull!

It discounts the simple fact that these people knew the possible callers well, and thus probably had a good feel for who would be available (at home, time to make the call, etc) and participate.

 

[Narz]

Bull!

It discounts the simple fact that these people knew the possible callers well, and thus probably had a good feel for who would be available (at home, time to make the call, etc) and participate.

, see what I mean.

No study of anything controversial / new age can be air-tight enough for the skeptics but of course preconceived notions need no proof whatsoever.

 

[Truronian]

I'll believe it when someone explains how such a thing occurs. Until that point I'll stick to skepticism.

 

[Narz]

I'll believe it when someone explains how such a thing occurs. Until that point I'll stick to skepticism.

I don't understand electricity (and I doubt most here do) but I do know it works (sometimes).

Only thing about "such things" is that we haven't made a science of them to the point where we can get them occur 99-100% of the time. Such is the nature of the subtle - harder to tame.

 

[Truronian]

I don't understand electricity (and I doubt most here do) but I do know it works (sometimes).

Only thing about "such things" is that we haven't made a science of them to the point where we can get them occur 99-100% of the time. Such is the nature of the subtle - harder to tame.

In this particular example, the only thing that has been conducted are statistical trials, and I'm not particularly trusting of such things (especially when the people conducting the trials are paid to get results ). Given that telepathy is not something that I have observed personally or something that seems to logically result from other observations, I'm not inclined to believe it.

 

[Riffraff]

hmm experimental method doesnt look to bad actually, as the 4 ppl ringing were told randomely when to call. Seems like a simple experiment, other institutes should be able to re-try the same experiment and see if they get similar results. My guess is that they won't

 

[Truronian]

We could even conduct a trial in forum games...

 

[Eli]

hmm experimental method doesnt look to bad actually, as the 4 ppl ringing were told randomely when to call. Seems like a simple experiment, other institutes should be able to re-try the same experiment and see if they get similar results. My guess is that they won't

Exactly. Let's see if other researchers get the same results first.

 

[carlosMM]

No study of anything controversial / new age can be air-tight enough for the skeptics but of course preconceived notions need no proof whatsoever.

Show how it can work - after all, even though YOU say you do not understand electricity, you should be able to find someone who does. So bring someone who tells us how this new-age-I-need-a-replacment-religion BS works.

 

[GenMarshall]

I dont know wheather or not to laugh or cry at this with people believing this parapsychology garbage.

 

[Narz]

I dont know wheather or not to laugh or cry at this with people believing this parapsychology garbage.

You like when people call your religion garbage?

Show how it can work - after all, even though YOU say you do not understand electricity, you should be able to find someone who does. So bring someone who tells us how this new-age-I-need-a-replacment-religion BS works.

Who cares how it works? If it, in fact, does work under controlled circumstances there is no use in calling it names and dismissing it. Forces are, they don't need to be understood to be.

Note : I am not even making any claims about the research in question (since I already know what is true and not true in my personal experience) I am just questioning the objectivity of people and countering some silly ideas (such as that something must be understood for it to be true... it doesn't, it need only be true).

 

[Turner]

Moderator Action: carlos - please watch the language.

Narz, there's an edit button. Please use it.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Bartleby]

I knew this thread was going to be posted!

 

[GenMarshall]

You like when people call your religion garbage?

Iie, I dont. Religion and parapsychology are two separate things. Please, leave religion out of this.

If this ooie-boogie myth can be tested by the APA and the rest of the normal psychology experts with the scientific method, then I would give it a thought. Untill then, "No more 'oogie-boogie' myths, please." - Mythbusters Narrator guy

(BTY, "iie" is No in Japanese )

 

[Narz]

Moderator Action: Narz, there's an edit button. Please use it.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

Apologies. Will do.

I knew this thread was going to be posted!

Iie, I dont. Religion and parapsychology are two separate things. Please, leave religion out of this.

Doesn't matter if they are different or similar, it's a matter of respect. So far precognition has this study going for it. How much evidence does the virgin birth have??

 

[GenMarshall]

Doesn't matter if they are different or similar, it's a matter of respect. So far precognition has this study going for it.

Realy to me this is just parapsychology garbage. How much weight would this claim hold within the scientific community? I am sorry but this claim has to be treated with skepticism. I still do deserve the right to have my opinion as well as state them. That also includes being skeptic in regards to the field of parapsychology.

I will wait untill a full conducted research is done by the APA and other top rated psychologists and scientists. Untill then, this telepathy thing is just an oogie-boogie myth to me.

How much evidence does the virgin birth have??

I have asked you nicely to keep religion out of this. I am not in the mood to go into religious debates, seriously, dont go there.

 

[Xenocrates]

Sheldrake's other work has also demonstrated beyond 'reasonable' doubt that there is some form of telepathy or precognition going on. Including pet-owner telepathy, email telepathy and being stared at. He has developed a theory to explain this called 'morphic fields' - so it's not entirely without theory. Morphic fields can also explain some anomalous chemistry, such as protein formation and anomalous physics, siuch as snowflake formation and some anomalous biology - how do termites build those nests?

http://sheldrake.org/papers/Animals/parrot_abs.html - the telepathic parrot!!

email study http://www.sheldrake.org/papers/Telepathy/email_telepathy.html

being stared at: http://www.sheldrake.org/experiments/staring/exp/results.html

Morphic field theory is basically that the Universe behaves not according to rules, but according to habit. You can read about it on his website too.

And another experiment has provided support for Sheldrake's ideas: http://www.sheldrake.org/articlesnew/pdf/Lobach.pdf

The correlation between emotional bond and hitrate in our study showed that even in a relatively homogeneous group of friends and relatives, people still appear to be better at guessing those callers with whom they have the strongest emotional bond. This result is in line with Sheldrake's findings.

There's something going on here............

 

[Xenocrates]

I am sorry but this claim has to be treated with skepticism.

All claims should be treated with skepticism, even those claims that fit the current scientific mindset and even claims against theories.

The statistical evidence for something akin to telepathy is fantastic; if you don't buy telepathy, what's the cause?

I challenge you to try to reproduce Sheldrake's experiment and find a null result. Many 'skeptics' have tried and ALL, so far, have only managed to reproduce his results - sometimes with even stronger evidence for the phenomenon that they are trying to disprove!