Telephone telepathy 'proved'

[Narz]

Realy to me this is just parapsychology garbage.

And I could say to me your most cherished beliefs are garbage. Perhaps you might be more inclined to win friends and influence people (in the words of Dale Carniege) if you gave a bit more thought to your phrasiology.

How much weight would this claim hold within the scientific community?

I don't know, nor care. I don't make decisions "by community" though it is fun to chit-chat within one. The only thing that should matter is the evidence.

I have asked you nicely to keep religion out of this. I am not in the mood to go into religious debates, seriously, dont go there.

I'll go wherever I feel like going "General" but since I've made by point I'll drop the issue.

Thanks for the links Xenocrates. Cool stuff!

 

[Rambuchan]

I agree that the study should be repeated multiple times to find out more conclusively whether these dynamics truly exist or not. I also note that the calling was randomised. I am always interested by such studies and am always disappointed that they are largely ridiculed and not followed up on by others. I don't know enough about how this industry works but there does seem to be some kind of mismatch going on here. For example....

carlosMM: Would I be right in assuming you are not a fan of homeopathy?

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Anyway, I've had such experiences of telephone telepathy (not with emails though). I find that love plays a big part in that process and experienced it most with certain girlfriends. It got to being beyond the point of uncanny.

 

[Turner]

Well, all I know if that the other day I was talking to my wife on the phone. Instead of letting the voicemail get it, she told me to click over. Good thing, too, because it was the school calling, and my 11 y/o was having problems.

We were talking about it afterwards, and she said she just knew that I had to take that call.

 

[GenMarshall]

And I could say to me your most cherished beliefs are garbage.

I take offense whenever someone says that my beliefs are garbage, especialy if its a jab to my faith

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I don't know, nor care. I don't make decisions "by community" though it is fun to chit-chat within one. The only thing that should matter is the evidence.

True, but the evidence here wont hold out very well with the skeptical scientific community.

I'll go wherever I feel like going "General" but since I've made by point I'll drop the issue.

And what point would that be?

 

[carlosMM]

Xenocrates: why don't WE do a test? The two of us? You give me your phone number and then predict when I will call you.....

 

[Turner]

I take offense whenever someone says that my beliefs are garbage, especialy if its a jab to my faith

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Then is it so unreasonable to assume that someone who believes in such a theory won't be offended as well? Aren't you supposed to treat others as you would have them treat you?

 

[carlosMM]

carlosMM: Would I be right in assuming you are not a fan of homeopathy?

I am not, indeed. Now, there's lots ot the 'change your diet' stuff, but the lil' old bit of water with nothing in it is only a placebo. A good one, for gullible people.


I LOVED how some doc tried to prove to me that it works: he took a jar of plain water and a jar into which he put, along with the plain water, a little closed phial with homeopathic stuff. Lo and behold, algae grew faster in the jar with the 'medicine'. Proof, he claimed, that it has 'power'.

Sorry to say, but that is utter nonsense: the phail jsut had additional surface and additional germs on it. An empty one, or one with plain water, each gave the very same result.




Telepathy! pathological!

EDIT: Ram, how about we come up with a study that is indeed a solid test? Not this nonsense used in the 'study' named in the OP.

 

[carlosMM]

Then is it so unreasonable to assume that someone who believes in such a theory won't be offended as well? Aren't you supposed to treat others as you would have them treat you?

So you, in this case, want to imply that I am correct and this telepathy-charade is indeed a replacement-religion?

 

[Turner]

That's not what I said at all.

 

[carlosMM]

Then is it so unreasonable to assume that someone who believes in such a theory won't be offended as well? Aren't you supposed to treat others as you would have them treat you?

Treating other as... implies that the ISSUE is the same, too - you were talking about religion with CG (who had set that topic). So I assumed that you meant religion

 

[Turner]

Maybe I'm particularly dense this morning (That's two threads I don't get now) but I don't see this as a replacement religion.

We've seen people who believe that this actually happens. Granted, I've just been skimming some of these posts, but I'm not picking up that it's a replacement religion. They appear to be using the scientific method to try and prove this theory. Or, in certain cases, refute it. And while we all know that science is just another kind of religion (Joke!), it's certainly not implied by what I've read.

However, I will go back and read it more closely to make sure that what I presume this thread to be is what it actually is.

 

[Brighteye]

You'll note that the article in the link gives p=0.05. That means that it'll happen by chance one in twenty times.
Has anyone a link for the '850 trial' experiment, that apparently gave a far more satisfactory result?
The nature of science is to make a hypothesis and test it. One can then refine the hypothesis and explain the results.
I see no explanation, and no hypothesis, other than 'telepathy exists'.
How might it work? If you want to work in the framework of science you need a theory; something we can prove or disprove. How can we test morphic fields?

What about the (probably endless) amount of experiments done that find no parapsychology (and probably done more rigorously too)?
If you want telepathy to be accepted by the population, you need an explanation; a plausible story. People like stories. If you can explain, in steps that are consistent with known scientific facts, how it might work, then we can start investigating it. Until there's a theory to refine, science can't refine anything.
You can't expect to convert the whole world to your view by saying 'I've shown something odd here, but I can't be bothered to come up with a good explanation'. If any other scientist did that he'd be laughed out of a job. If these researchers can't see this, I doubt their intelligence... and doubting their intelligence in this way leads me to doubt the quality of their research that I have not seen.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I read some of his other work. It appears to lean heavily on Platonic Ideal Forms. For example the staring experiment; will deceased eyes work? Remote viewing? Braindead people having their head pointed in the right direction? Vat-grown eyes?

 

[carlosMM]

Maybe I'm particularly dense this morning (That's two threads I don't get now) but I don't see this as a replacement religion.

We've seen people who believe that this actually happens. Granted, I've just been skimming some of these posts, but I'm not picking up that it's a replacement religion. They appear to be using the scientific method to try and prove this theory. Or, in certain cases, refute it. And while we all know that science is just another kind of religion (Joke!), it's certainly not implied by what I've read.

However, I will go back and read it more closely to make sure that what I presume this thread to be is what it actually is.

I was refering to the topic of insults and religion. And that you seemed to me to imply that calling something like telepathy 'stupid' or an other name was equivalent to a religious insult. So I just extended that concept a bit to kid you.

 

[Turner]

I get you now.

I wouldn't say that calling this theory stupid would be on the same level as calling religion stupid...more like a creationist calling evolution stupid.

And I did read through the thread (but not the links, no time now) and it doesn't appear at first glance to be a replacement religion.

 

[carlosMM]

I get you now.

I wouldn't say that calling this theory stupid would be on the same level as calling religion stupid...more like a creationist calling evolution stupid.

And I did read through the thread (but not the links, no time now) and it doesn't appear at first glance to be a replacement religion.

hehe, that is the answer I expected (sorry, I was just egging you on.

 

[Turner]

It's been a long night, I didn't sleep well yesterday.... It's a full moon, and there's too many cosmic rays out there. The planets are aligned just so... you know how it is.

 

[carlosMM]

It's been a long night, I didn't sleep well yesterday.... It's a full moon, and there's too many cosmic rays out there. The planets are aligned just so... you know how it is.

Yeah, my symapthies I'm in a bad mod, too - erhm, mood

 

[Turner]

Hey! That's not fair! I haven't banned anyone.


Yet.

 

[bhsup]

Show how it can work - after all, even though YOU say you do not understand electricity, you should be able to find someone who does. So bring someone who tells us how this new-age-I-need-a-replacment-religion BS works.

First, I do want to go on record as saying that I really do think almost all of this extra sensory perception thing is just a load of hooey. Do I think humanity's mind may actually be capable of it? Possibly, but I think charlatanism (is that a word?!) is more likely.

That said, CarlosMM, I feel I should point out that a lot of medicines work with the developers not even understanding why they work. So not being able to find someone to explain how something works does not necessarily debunk that something.