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While I still lived in Los Angeles, I worked crazy hours and never saw a single episode. Now that I'm in the Philippines, we don't have HBO. I bought the first book, but couldn't get into it. Thus, I have only the vaguest idea of what GoT is about.

It's set in a pseudo-Middle-Ages. Although it purports to be a fantasy, there is little to no magic, albeit there is a dragon. This is more a story of Byzantine intrigue, lust, and bloodletting...Yes? :backstab:

In your opinion, why is GoT so popular? :clap:
 
While I still lived in Los Angeles, I worked crazy hours and never saw a single episode. Now that I'm in the Philippines, we don't have HBO. I bought the first book, but couldn't get into it. Thus, I have only the vaguest idea of what GoT is about.

It's set in a pseudo-Middle-Ages. Although it purports to be a fantasy, there is little to no magic, albeit there is a dragon. This is more a story of Byzantine intrigue, lust, and bloodletting...Yes? :backstab:

In your opinion, why is GoT so popular? :clap:

Byzantine intrigue, lust, and bloodletting more than anything? Absolutely.

Why it is so popular? Marketing, pure and simple, IMO. Epic, psuedo-Middle Ages fantasy with or without magic and/or dragons is far from hard to come by, and a whole lot of it I think is better than GoT. Every book started more plot lines that "ended in cliffhangers" (more like were left unresolved and quite possibly forgotten) than were wrapped up, so every book was met as "eagerly awaited answers" about something. Even though in many cases the 'answer' would be partial at best and the can kicked down the road to the inevitable next volume. By about volume six it was taking five or six hundred pages just to acknowledge all the unresolved plot lines in a cursory fashion and kick them on to the next volume, turning it into an endless money mill. Hardly anyone that far in was capable of saying "screw this" and admitting they had been sucked along for several thousands of pages with no end in sight, ever, so they just keep buying them...and talking them up so they don't get asked why they bother.
 
While I still lived in Los Angeles, I worked crazy hours and never saw a single episode. Now that I'm in the Philippines, we don't have HBO. I bought the first book, but couldn't get into it. Thus, I have only the vaguest idea of what GoT is about.

It's set in a pseudo-Middle-Ages. Although it purports to be a fantasy, there is little to no magic, albeit there is a dragon. This is more a story of Byzantine intrigue, lust, and bloodletting...Yes? :backstab:

In your opinion, why is GoT so popular? :clap:
When I was first describing the computer game I'm basing my current very long fanfic project on (Kingmaker: Rise to the Throne), @MaryKB mentioned that it sounded somewhat like Game of Thrones (game takes place in the 11th century, there are several long-term plots and intrigue going on, the king is murdered and his long-lost heir must be found; of course the heir himself has no idea that he's the heir, and at some point in the distant past there were griffins involved in some struggle).

I've never seen a single minute of Game of Thrones, and after Mary's question, I resolved to never watch it. If she made that connection, other people might as well, and I don't want my story to be influenced by a book/TV series known to millions of people. I'm extrapolating from the source material, introducing new characters, places, situations, and figuring out how to explain the element of magic that the developers tossed into the storyline near the end, and would prefer to keep that part of it as much my own creative input as possible.

That said, some of the things I am using for inspiration have more to do with the courts of King Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, with a dollop of Arthurian stuff (there's a reference in the game to a sword in a stone, but the sword has to be put back into the stone, instead of being drawn out), and I'll admit to also being influenced by my 12 years of being active in the Society for Creative Anachronism. My main character, a 30-year-old man born in the year 1009 AD, is going to be sufficiently enlightened that he doesn't see anything wrong with women learning to read, and even considers doing something about the inheritance laws. He's not going to be enlightened as far as all 21st-century sensibilities go, however. Arranged marriage is still a thing in Griffinvale, as is the feudal system.

So even though my cable company keeps offering the first season or two of GoT for free (with the idea that people will get hooked and then sign up for an expensive channel bundle so they can watch the rest of it), I have never taken advantage of it. I don't want the temptation in case I'd like it, and then I'd have a hard time not being influenced by it.

Byzantine intrigue, lust, and bloodletting more than anything? Absolutely.

Why it is so popular? Marketing, pure and simple, IMO. Epic, psuedo-Middle Ages fantasy with or without magic and/or dragons is far from hard to come by, and a whole lot of it I think is better than GoT. Every book started more plot lines that "ended in cliffhangers" (more like were left unresolved and quite possibly forgotten) than were wrapped up, so every book was met as "eagerly awaited answers" about something. Even though in many cases the 'answer' would be partial at best and the can kicked down the road to the inevitable next volume. By about volume six it was taking five or six hundred pages just to acknowledge all the unresolved plot lines in a cursory fashion and kick them on to the next volume, turning it into an endless money mill. Hardly anyone that far in was capable of saying "screw this" and admitting they had been sucked along for several thousands of pages with no end in sight, ever, so they just keep buying them...and talking them up so they don't get asked why they bother.
Cliffhangers and unresolved plotlines drive me nuts if they're not sufficiently explained. One of the reasons I write fanfic is to resolve these things for myself. In the Kingmaker game, the developers neglected to include a scene where the heir is actually told he's the heir. There's a scene he's in where his companions talk about the necessity of finding proof of his lineage, and I wondered why this character didn't chime in with "wait a minute... why do I need to prove my lineage to anyone, what are you talking about?" Instead, the developers just have him go along with what the other characters are saying and not questioning anything.

Personally, if someone told me I had to prove my lineage as part of making sure the king's murderers didn't get away with it, I'd want to know why.

So I'm in the midst of writing that scene that should have been in the game but wasn't. There's even going to be some question of whether or not the heir actually wants to be the heir. Not everyone jumps at the chance to be the king when it's offered and they have a legitimate claim.

If anything I mention about my story (in the Watcha Writin'? thread or any NaNoWriMo threads) is similar to anything in GoT, I don't want to know about it. If I duplicate anything, I want it to be accidental, not intentional.
 
Game of Thrones, the first book, is good. Bona fide good. I was worried when they decided to make it into a TV series because I wasnt sure it'd live up to it, but the show also stands up on its own. It is perfectly good as a stand-alone. Of course it makes more sense as the first in a series, but we start with Ned chopping off someone's head and end with Ned's head being chopped off. Nice circle. Clash of Kings is also good, but of course it already relies on one. Storm of Swords starts to sag, and Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons are like... Slow. It's like it doesnt want to keep going sometimes.

The magic stuff is there but it is mostly the stuff of legends. It is pretty much a world where magic was believed dead but it is awakening again.

As to your question, you answered it yourself. Who doesnt love hate, sex, and gore?
 
In your opinion, why is GoT so popular? :clap:
I've never seen it, but my sense has been that GoT is just one of those "water-cooler" moments. It may be that lots of people watch it because lots of people watch it. Also, genres of fiction (or music or literature or whatever) frequently take some time to break through into the mainstream. People who haven't been steeped in sword & sorcery fantasy for decades might have been seeing that stuff for the first time with Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings, and GoT is sort of a grownup (e.g. bloodier and nakeder) continuation of that.
 
Game of throne is the web series, the latest season of this series is yet to come out. So excited to have it soon.:crazyeye:
 
In your opinion, why is GoT so popular? :clap:
One thing Game of Thrones set out doing differently, was to break your illusions of romanticized medieval fantasy. This isn't a world where the dashing hero saves the day, but instead you face real consequences for your decisions.

Probably the biggest audience-entry character is Sansa Stark. Many of us are like her, you can see this so much .. thinking her medieval world is one of songs and parties, with chivalrous noble knights. She's so happy she's going to go off to marry the crown prince, life is going to be like a dream .. until she learns what is real. Her prince is a vicious tyrant, and the only knight who protects her isn't even a knight. "Your father's a killer, your brothers are killers, your husband's a killer, and your sons will be killers too." One line I absolutely love is from Meera Reed, telling Brandon Stark "Sometimes the knight is the monster."
 
One thing Game of Thrones set out doing differently, was to break your illusions of romanticized medieval fantasy. This isn't a world where the dashing hero saves the day, but instead you face real consequences for your decisions.

Probably the biggest audience-entry character is Sansa Stark. Many of us are like her, you can see this so much .. thinking her medieval world is one of songs and parties, with chivalrous noble knights. She's so happy she's going to go off to marry the crown prince, life is going to be like a dream .. until she learns what is real. Her prince is a vicious tyrant, and the only knight who protects her isn't even a knight. "Your father's a killer, your brothers are killers, your husband's a killer, and your sons will be killers too." One line I absolutely love is from Meera Reed, telling Brandon Stark "Sometimes the knight is the monster."
Sounds a bit like The Borgias, when Lucrezia (age 14) is being married off to Giovanni Sforza. She's got ideas of changing this much-older man's way of thinking so even if he won't love her, he'll at least be kind to her.

So much for young, naive illusions. Lucrezia had never known anything but love and indulgence from her father (Pope Alexander) and her brothers (Cesare, Juan, and Geoffre). Therefore, her marital night is even more traumatic (it's flat-out rape, although since they were married, Sforza did nothing illegal by the standards of 15th-century Rome).

Mary, I wasn't upset by your comments that parts of my story remind you of GoT. It does reassure me that some of what I write can be compared favorably to things that are not only professionally published, but well-regarded professional fiction.

My worry is that when people eventually read my Kingmaker stories, they might say, "Oh, she copied that from Game of Thrones, doesn't she have any original ideas?" and that's not what I want to happen. It's like one of the Fuzzy Knights stories I started writing years ago (Fuzzy Knights is my favorite webcomic, about a group of stuffed animals who play tabletop RPG games and have some wild adventures of their own that their owners know nothing about). I told someone about the basic plot and was told, "That sounds like Toy Story 3"... and that upset me because I haven't seen that and now I'm wondering if I should even bother finishing the story.

Of course it's very hard to have completely original ideas in writing nowadays because of the millennia of other people taking the original ideas for themselves (selfish; they could have left us a few!) and a lot depends on the execution of said ideas.

But even so, I'm not going to watch GoT while I'm working on Kingmaker. I would probably like it if I did get into it, but I really don't want it to influence me (even if it probably did influence the game developers, as one or two of the reviewers mentioned "part of this is like GoT").
 
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