Cheetah
Deity
Joker said:
Got that in my PM box 2 days ago. Didn't see it before now.
Term 3: Embassy to C3B
- Thread starter Emp.Napoleon
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Got that in my PM box 2 days ago. Didn't see it before now.
What time today?
Where is everybody???
There is a thunderstorm coming right here.
Anyway, here's the chat log:
Anyway, here's the chat log:
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<Matrix> "I'm all alone. There's no one here, besides me..."
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<Joker> hi Matrix
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<Matrix> Hi!
<Matrix> Just us?
<Joker> hi!
<Joker> yeap, i think so
<Matrix> Well, ok.
<Matrix> Em, give me 1 min, ok? Then we can start.
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<Joker> Ok, no problem
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<Matrix> back
<Matrix> What shall we start about?
<Joker> We may begin with the subjects of last chat
<Matrix> Territory, right?
<Joker> Yes, exploration, do you aprove the Article 4?
<Matrix> Yes. Though...
<Matrix> Cheetah, our president, said we might as well explore with a warrior inside each other's territory after all.
<Joker> That´s good. We aproved too.
<Joker> Let´s do this:
<Joker> We already aproved, but now we vote an alteration to change so the warrior may explore inside too
<Matrix> Let's ratify what we have now and see if more is possible. :-D
<Joker> Yes,
<Matrix> So exploring with a worker is a deal, but with a warrior will be polled again. Ok, set.
<Matrix> Borders?
<Joker> yes, It would be 1 warrior inside or outside borders. Taking out the worker part
<Matrix> A warrior outside was already agreed on, I thought...
<Joker> yes, the new part is the "inside" part
<Matrix> Ok, than that's clear.
<Joker> but he may still explore outside borders
<Matrix> yes
<Joker> ok then, from last chat: governaments
<Matrix> We voted for Republic, and I believe, from an informal chat, you have as well. Is that correct?
<Joker> *governments
<Matrix> ?
<Joker> Actualy when we made the pool people choosed monarchy
<Matrix> Oh. Oh dear. Then who said it would be republic?
<Matrix> I'll look it up. In the mean time we need to figure out how to deal with this.
<Joker> It was probaly an personal opinion
<Joker> yes, but first let me clarify
<Matrix> Last time I proposed we add each others percentages and then look what gov has most support. Would that be ok?
<Matrix> O, sorry. Go on.
<Joker> We did not choose monarchy because we want war or something, please do not see this this way. It is mainly because of the police of 3 from monarchy
<Matrix> Ok.
<Matrix> Who's NunoC3B?
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: hello
<Matrix> NunoC3B: hi
<Matrix> NunoC3B: how are u?
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: good good you?
<Matrix> NunoC3B: fine
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: waht was the result of your poll about going for Republic or Monarchy?
<Matrix> NunoC3B: our people are a little more fascinated in rep
<Matrix> NunoC3B: and yours?
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: we want republic too
<Matrix> NunoC3B: we feel that if we are going on a true aliance, that we should attack rep
<Matrix> NunoC3B: to go faster on knoledg
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: good good
<Matrix> EmperorNapoloen: and I will not be there on Saterday, so Matrix will take my place
<Matrix> NunoC3B: ok
<Matrix> That was Jul 13, 2004, 9:21 PM GMT.
<Joker> that little more changed from that day to todayWe have a lot of citizens, so this things happen
<Joker> I saw the log of the chat, it is on our form
<Joker> *forum
<Matrix> Ok, that explains it.
<Matrix> Well, we now have a few options, IMO. Let me list it:
<Matrix> - You could go for monarchy and we for republic. (Bad choice.)
<Matrix> - We add each others percentages of the polls.
<Matrix> - We add each others absolute votes.
<Matrix> - We do a mix of the two above.
<Matrix> My first choice would be the second (of course) and I reckon yours will be third, so I suggest the fourth.
<Joker> The idea of changing the government so we have the same may cause same problems. Because type of government is something very internal, i think that our or yours people would not like that
<Joker> we would make a pool about this?
<Joker> with this 4 choises?
<Matrix> Well, I'm afraid there's no time for this. How long will Polytheism take for you to invent?
<Joker> That´s true, 2 turns.
<Matrix> FYI: We have Writing since last turn.
<Joker> okthe problem is that if we decide that, it would be very dictoral
<Joker> I would change the type of government and which tech we would go
<Matrix> Indeed. Well, we could poll it, but the deadline will be whenever you will receive the turn you get Polytheism.
<Joker> That´s good
<Joker> So we will pool that.
<Matrix> But look, it's very easy to expect what the outcome will be: since you have more citizens, you all will very likely vote for option #3 and we for #2, without any disrespect for the other nation. But that's simply how it'll go.
<Matrix> IMO we might as well skip this step and do the mix.
<Matrix> That is: percentages and absolute number of votes weigh equal.
<Joker> so we may pool with #1 and #4
<Matrix> Ah yes, #1 is left as well. True, true...
<Joker> I do think that is important a pool. It´s game of democracy after all
<Joker>
<Matrix> Sure.
<Joker> About resources, we forgot to talk about it at the day, we only talked about wonders
<Matrix> We could give each other the exact outcomes of the polls, because perhaps one of us overrules the other with percentages *and* absolute n/o votes. Then the other civ only needs to decide whether to go for his government alone or not.
<Joker> ok, a sec, i will open it here
<Matrix> We already polled whether to go for republic alone or not (in case you voted for monarchy).
<Joker> here the pool was just republic (28%) and monarchy (71%), we avoid complicate the pool, adding a lot of options
<Joker> and at CFC?
<Matrix> We have 5 votes=27.8% for monarchy and 13 votes=72.2% for republic.
<Matrix> How much exact votes? Then I can calculate the exact percentage.
<Joker> 6 and 15 respectively
<Joker> many citizens did not vote yet
<Matrix> As I feared: we lead by percentages, but you by absolute n/o votes. :/
<Joker> hmmm that we said the votes, it will be very difficult to create a fair decision....
<Matrix> Give me a min...
<Joker> ok
<Matrix> A mix is in your favour as well.
<Matrix> You don't need to vote. We'll vote: go for republic alone, or for monarchy together with you.
<Matrix> We'll poll that is.
<Matrix> And that's that.
<Joker> I see. That´s ok. One advantage for monarchy that made us vote on it:
<Joker> we may research for it very soon. Republic will take time
<Matrix> True.
<Matrix> Noted.Shall we continue now?
<Joker> And depotism is not cool
<Matrix> lol
<Joker> resorcers?
<Matrix> You wanted to say something resources...
<Matrix> "Resorcers"?? LOL!
<Joker> ops
<Joker> let´s start with luxury?
<Matrix> Ok. As you know we've got ivory. Et toi?
<Joker> et toi?
<Matrix> "And you?" in French.
<Matrix> Sorry, I thought you might know.
<Joker> I am already speaking a foreign language
<Matrix> Hehe...
<Joker> we have incense as you saw exploring our lands, do you have extra ivory?
<Matrix> Yes! You?
<Joker> Yes, so i think as soon as we conect them and make a harbor we could trade
<Matrix> Of course!
<Joker> good! you are at map making right? after you finish it we may build the harbors
<Matrix> Indeed. We'll look forward to this trade!
<Matrix> Speaking of which: shall we talk about techs now?
<Joker> great, sure
<Joker> you finisehg writ, how many turns for map making?
<Matrix> 14 turn if I'm not mistaken.
<Joker> we - Poly 2 turns
<Matrix> We have done some calculations. We have Mathematics and Writing, which you don't have. You will have Ceremonial Burial, Mysticism and Polytheism soon.
<Joker> yes
<Matrix> Math & Writ are almost as expensive as those three of yours together. Ours are a little more expensive even.
<Matrix> But we all agreed we should trade it all!
<Joker> hmmm
<Matrix> Those calculations are with data from the editor; not taking into account any techs the other three have developed, which makes certain techs cheaper.
<Matrix> But since we don't know which, it's impossible to take that into account in the first place, so forget about that.
<Joker> CB - 2, Myst - 4, Poly - 12 -> 18 / Math - 8, Writ - 8 -> 16
<Matrix> Correct!
<Matrix> Oh, eh...
<Matrix> Oops. :X
<Matrix> Well, I'll let you decide then.
<Joker> i wish i could, everything is a pool
<Matrix> Yes, of course. Please make a poll of it then.
<Joker> We have a proposal also
<Matrix> And sorry, I didn't try to frame you, I was plain wrong. :-o
<Matrix> Just a mistake.
<Joker> cb, myst for writ
<Joker> i have an idea
<Matrix> Hm, 6 vs 8...
<Matrix> Please, tell me.
<Joker> last check past deals of tech
<Matrix> What do you mean?
<Joker> here: we trade iron working for alpha and warrior code
<Matrix> That's 6 for 5+3. What else have we traded?
<Joker> just that
<Joker> so you have a credit of 2
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<Joker> and the all for all should be fair
<Matrix> Ah, ok. So that would be set straight if we indeed trade all we have now with all you will have in two turn!
<Matrix> Hi, Ankka!
<Joker> hi ankka
<Matrix> Ok, let's poll it then.
<Joker> cb, myst, poly - 18 / math,writ - 16 + 2 (credit). Just the same
<Matrix> Cool.
<Ankka> hiya all.
<Ankka> sorry I'm late, it was thunder here. :|
<Matrix> Ankka, can everything we've discussed so far be saved, even though you weren't here?
<Matrix> So that we don't loose this log?
<Ankka> not that I know of, I think. :|
<Matrix> Hm.
<Ankka> Joker can't send it to us?
<Ankka> erm... what program are you using, Matrix?
<Matrix> mIRC.
<Ankka> It logs automatically unless you have autologging off.
<Ankka> do you?
<Joker> i may send, my auto saves it
<Matrix> I already copy-pasted everything.
<Matrix> But thanks anyway.
<Joker> ok
<Joker> Will we discuss borders?
<Matrix> Sure.
<Matrix> But I have to go soon, so I hope we can keep it brief.
<Ankka> what has been discussed so far?
<Matrix> Tech, government (tough one!) and exploration.
<Joker> 3 polls
<Ankka>
<Matrix> About borders: we all said it is now simply too soon to discuss it anyway.
<Joker> *pool
<Ankka> yes... after exploring the continent it would be possible, not before
<Matrix> We don't know what border would be fair.
<Joker> since trading maps will take a lot of time, we would have explore with a unit
<Joker> but dont you think that will take a lot of time?
<Joker> because it will be only one warrior
<Joker> walking 1 square at 1 turn
<Joker> i think the agreement will be over before we agree on that
<Matrix> Personally I don't. I seems we're already close to the end of the continent anyway.
<Ankka> which end?
<Matrix> What has C3B concluded in this subject for so far then?
<Joker> a warrior would take 20 turns just to reach one capital (leaving from the other capital)
<Matrix> Yes, that's true.
<Ankka> but curraghs would be able to round up the continent at double speec.
<Ankka> *speed
<Joker> we think we could create a border near the DMZ that we discussed, and change it with time to make it fair
<Matrix> Ok, well, we don't have a suggestion yet anyway.
<Joker> we could revise the border from time to time
<Matrix> Aha. What's the point of this border then, if it isn't that hard anyway?
<Ankka> yes... like once a month, when exploration is better.
<Joker> it would make possible a DMZ, we liked yours idea of a DMZ
<Joker> also we would know where to build cities, micro managment etc
<Matrix> Wait, Ankka. I think this is somewhat similar to the DMZ discussion. We think it's better to let it be free and see where we end up, while it seems to me C3B preferably wants everything set from the start.
<Matrix> (Don't mention "Wait, Ankka.")
<Ankka> true. nevermind my comment.
<Matrix> %-)
<Matrix> I have to go soon. :-/ Ankka, I hope you can continue the discussion.
<Matrix> Just a few more minutes...
<Ankka> ok... what have we left for discussion?
<Joker> so, you think that we sould not discuss exploration?
<Joker> ops
<Joker> borders
<Joker> sorry
<Ankka> I think so... more exploration needed for fair borders treaty.
<Matrix> Right now we don't know what's fair anyway. One thing I'm thinking of at the moment is that we could decide not to build cities far from older cities in each others direction.
<Joker> that´s the main objetive of the border
<Joker> to avoid conflicts because someone build a city at one place
<Matrix> I mean, let's not build cities in that land area between us until our cities border to it.
<Matrix> So we slowly grow to it instead of marking the border manually by simply building cities there..
<Joker> "land area between us", would be everything?
<Matrix> What I mean is, you may build cities towards us, but only if it borders an older city of yours.
<Matrix> And the same for us.
<Matrix> Though that would initiate a race. :-/
<Ankka> true...
<Joker> even so, we could build cities and block everything, but ok then, we only wanted a border to avoid conflicts, we would revise it in time, also DMZ would be the discussing of the next meeting
<Matrix> Well, think about it. I have to go now.
<Matrix> True.
<Matrix> Ankka, can you take over?
<Ankka> yes
<Ankka> see ya
<Joker> if we let everything free for build, we may race for making cities and over this alliance
<Matrix> Bye, Joker!
<Joker> Bye
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<Joker> I think that we could this at a border and revise it, from 20 to 20 tunrs or something like that
<Joker> this - think
<Ankka> Could be ok... but needs a poll.
<Joker> to discuss the borders, or the agreement of a border?
<Ankka> the latter, I think.
<Joker> you could see with your people this subject and we discuss it next saturday, it that ok?
<Ankka> sounds fine.
<Ankka> what's next for discussion?
<Joker> ok then
<Joker> hmmm, i think this is it
<Joker> we will discuss may things at next meeting
<Joker> ok then, we have a lot to pooll
<Ankka> not that I nkow of... see ya in a week.
<Joker> see you then
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Do we believe them?
I made it like this manually.Ankka said:
My 4500th post! [dance]
Cheetah
Deity
He did look up that we have two points in credit in tech-trades on his own initiative. Why would he do that if they plan to attack us and rip us off?Matrix said:Do we believe them?
akots
Poet
Nice chat, btw.
@Matrix: You have been very diplomatic indeed. 
Guess you are rude mostly with the citizens and very polite with the officers of another country. This means, I would be even more efficient.
Still, nothing has been decided.
@Matrix: You have been very diplomatic indeed.
Guess you are rude mostly with the citizens and very polite with the officers of another country. This means, I would be even more efficient.
Still, nothing has been decided.
True, true...Cheetah said:
Am I rude?akots said:@Matrix: You have been very diplomatic indeed.
Guess you are rude mostly with the citizens and very polite with the officers of another country. This means, I would be even more efficient.
To the point perhaps.Thanks anyway.
Only nothing has been decided concerning borders.akots said:
Tss... I was hoping I wouldn't have the reputation of being lazy at CFC.Ankka said:I was suspecting that, but thought that you were too lazy. Apparently not.
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Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
The Emperor has Returned
After my tour of the Fanatican nation, I has returned to my duties as Ambassidor to C3B. Matrix, those polls you were proposig are very complicated so could you make them, I would hate to make a mistake.
After my tour of the Fanatican nation, I has returned to my duties as Ambassidor to C3B. Matrix, those polls you were proposig are very complicated so could you make them, I would hate to make a mistake.
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Ankka said:"The Emperor"?
Well that is what Emp. stands for
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
I got this from JokerDF today.
I will try to send something like this after our meetings.
We are voting a change at Article 4 (may use warrior inside borders):
Quote:
Article VI: Exploration
The nations of Civ3Brasil and Fanatica hereby agree to the fallowing:
1. The exploration by sea with only on curragh per nation. This curragh may go into the cultural borders of both nations.
2. The exploration of land in each others territory: Each nation is allowed have one warrior to explore each other´s territory, he may go inside cultural borders. Blockading of any form is strictly forbidden.
3. Both nation may agree to use more units for exploration, with mutual consent of both nations.
Voting tech agreement: CB+Myst+poly for Math+Writ
This way we would vote the same things
See you next Saturday.
Oh! EMP welcome to our forum! we are still curious to know how did you sing because everything is in portuguese
Joker
I will try to send something like this after our meetings.
We are voting a change at Article 4 (may use warrior inside borders):
Quote:
Article VI: Exploration
The nations of Civ3Brasil and Fanatica hereby agree to the fallowing:
1. The exploration by sea with only on curragh per nation. This curragh may go into the cultural borders of both nations.
2. The exploration of land in each others territory: Each nation is allowed have one warrior to explore each other´s territory, he may go inside cultural borders. Blockading of any form is strictly forbidden.
3. Both nation may agree to use more units for exploration, with mutual consent of both nations.
Voting tech agreement: CB+Myst+poly for Math+Writ
This way we would vote the same things
See you next Saturday.
Oh! EMP welcome to our forum! we are still curious to know how did you sing because everything is in portuguese
Joker
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Just to remind you guys there is a meeting with C3B at embassy #3 or wahatever it is called. It is at 12:00GMT-7:00 PST on Saterday.
