I am in #demogame_cfc_isdg and see only Chieftess. When I go to #demogame_cfc_embassy3 seem to be there all alone...
Term 3: Embassy to C3B
- Thread starter Emp.Napoleon
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I am in #demogame_cfc_isdg and see only Chieftess. When I go to #demogame_cfc_embassy3 seem to be there all alone...
Stuff this. For once I can join such a discussion, now knowledge fails me. 
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
CHAT RIGHT NOW: C3B AT #demogame_cfc_embassy3
Password: c3bchathere
Matrix you were a little early.
Password: c3bchathere
Matrix you were a little early.
Stupid daylight saving... 
Here is the chatlog of the lates chat, held on Sat 10.7.2004.
Part 1:
Part 1:
Session Start: Sat Jul 10 16:44:01 2004
Session Ident: #demogame_cfc_embassy3
[16:44:01] * Now talking in #demogame_cfc_embassy3
[16:44:08] <Ankka> huh?
[16:44:14] <Ankka> It hasn't started yet?
[16:44:16] * Joins: Joker (Joker@1c25dec6.3b87238b.d0a9903.1e706c24X)
[16:44:26] <EMP_CFC> good good
[16:44:37] <Ankka> when was it scheduled?
[16:44:47] <Joker> hi Ankka
[16:44:51] <EMP_CFC> 14 GMT
[16:44:55] <Ankka> hi Joker
[16:45:03] <Ankka> so I am late... where's everybody?
[16:45:14] <EMP_CFC> no it starts in 15 minets
[16:45:25] <EMP_CFC> we have a lot of time
[16:45:49] <Ankka> **** daylight saving thingy.
[16:45:50] <EMP_CFC> is anyone else coming from C3B?
[16:45:54] <Ankka> mixes up everything.
[16:46:03] <Joker> i don´t know
[16:46:13] <Joker> probaly just Silver
[16:46:13] <Ankka> EMP, please op me so I can register this channel for future chats too.
[16:46:36] * EMP_CFC sets mode: +o Joker
[16:46:47] * Joker sets mode: +o Ankka
[16:47:04] <Ankka> thanks.
[16:47:08] <Joker>
[16:47:45] -> *chanserv* register #demogame_cfc_embassy3
[16:48:30] -> *chanserv* register #demogame_cfc_embassy3 catfox embassy
[16:48:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +r
[16:48:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +a Ankka
[16:48:46] <Ankka> done...
[16:48:54] * Retrieving #demogame_cfc_embassy3 modes...
[16:49:12] * Ankka sets mode: +s
[16:49:12] * Ankka sets mode: +k c3bchathere
[16:50:06] <EMP_CFC> is taht the passsword?
[16:50:22] * Ankka changes topic to '=== Welcome to the Embassy! === Chats between Civ3 Brazil and Fanatrica are held here. ==='
[16:50:25] <Ankka> yeah
[16:50:40] * Ankka changes topic to '* Welcome to the Embassy! * Chats between Civ3 Brazil and Fanatrica are held here. *'
[16:50:50] <Ankka> oops
[16:50:52] <Joker> Fanatrica?
[16:50:56] * Ankka changes topic to '* Welcome to the Embassy! * Chats between Civ3 Brazil and Fanatica are held here. *'
[16:51:09] <Ankka> should have checked the spelling.
[16:52:11] * Ankka changes topic to '* Welcome to the Embassy! * Chats between Civ3 Brazil and Fanatica are held here. *'
[16:52:16] <Ankka> do'h
[16:52:26] * Ankka changes topic to '* 5Welcome to the Embassy! * Chats between Civ3 Brazil and Fanatica are held here. *'
[16:52:33] <Ankka> how about that?
[16:52:46] <EMP_CFC> that looks good
[16:53:24] <EMP_CFC> wait what if there is another team and they see that, then they know we have meet another team
[16:53:45] <Joker> oh yes, at the list channels you may see any topic
[16:53:55] <Joker> without passwords
[16:54:01] <EMP_CFC> maybe just CFC enbassy
[16:54:24] <Ankka> nope, this channel is secret.
[16:54:33] <Ankka> can't be seen there I think
[16:54:39] <EMP_CFC> good good
[16:54:46] <Joker> good then
[16:54:46] * Ankka sets mode: -k c3bchathere
[16:54:47] * Ankka sets mode: +k thechathere
[16:54:55] <Ankka> just in case
[16:54:57] <Ankka> .
[16:55:32] <Joker> the password is not a problem.... And I just posted the first one at the forum lol
[16:55:56] <EMP_CFC> lol so have I
[16:56:08] <Ankka>
[16:56:17] <Ankka> I'll change it back then.
[16:56:24] * Ankka sets mode: -k thechathere
[16:56:24] * Ankka sets mode: +k c3bchathere
[16:56:28] <Ankka> better?
[16:56:33] <Joker> thanks
[16:57:21] <Joker> But the topic have to be changed, the channel appers at the list, i just tested
[16:57:49] <Ankka> uh-oh
[16:57:54] <Ankka> ok... wait a sec
[16:58:17] * Ankka changes topic to '* 5Welcome to the Fanatican Embassy! * '
[16:58:18] <Joker> just test: /list It´s there
[16:58:23] <Joker> good
[16:59:59] <Joker> shall we begin?
[17:00:48] <EMP_CFC> if you want too
[17:01:20] <Joker> I do want, and you?
[17:01:21] <Joker> lol
[17:01:38] <Ankka> Official chat between C3B and Fanatica bagins now
[17:01:44] <EMP_CFC> yes yes let's go
[17:02:22] <Joker> Ok, things to be discussed: exploration, domestic matters, right?
[17:03:07] <EMP_CFC> resorses wonders and esploration in the other territory
[17:03:09] <Joker> there is also some ideias from our citizens, but i will talk about it later
[17:03:17] <Joker> yeap
[17:04:30] <Joker> So... first, did you aprove the agreement?
[17:04:33] <Joker> We did
[17:05:10] <EMP_CFC> o yes yes
[17:05:27] <Joker> great, so we have an agreement
[17:08:10] <Joker> About wonders
[17:09:16] <Joker> We are not building any wonder right now, but still we are interested is discussing some division, to avoid both of us to build the same one. What about you
[17:09:37] * Joins: Matrix (MatrixCL@2b32ee69.2e138044.gr.home.nl)
[17:09:45] <Matrix> 'ello.
[17:09:49] <EMP_CFC> hello
[17:09:50] <Ankka> hi
[17:10:06] <Joker> Hi
[17:10:20] <EMP_CFC> Matrix is our Deputy Minister of Internal affairs
[17:10:23] <Matrix> Hi, Joker!
[17:10:33] <Joker> pleased to meet you
[17:10:47] <Matrix> Every previous chat I was unable to come. :-( But this time I'm here.
[17:11:03] <Matrix> Though I'll probably only read what you two are saying.
[17:11:14] <Joker> that´s ok
[17:11:22] <Matrix> But that's much more fun than having to read a whole chat log!!
[17:11:29] <Ankka> yeah
[17:13:19] <Joker> So... EMP?
[17:13:55] <EMP_CFC> yes
[17:14:27] <Joker> About wonders...
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[17:15:13] <EMP_CFC> what wonders are you building?
[17:15:24] <Matrix> Or planning to build. %-)
[17:16:04] <Matrix> Oh, sorry. Would be best if only one would speak, right? :-o
[17:16:46] <Joker> We are not building anyone right now. We do have some thoughts about building some of them, so we would like to discuss so we will not build the same wonder and create confusion. What about you?
[17:17:12] * Rubarb was kicked by Ankka (No bots!)
[17:20:09] <Matrix> Emp, may I?
[17:21:02] <EMP_CFC> yea
[17:21:08] <Matrix> Joker, in that case it seems best to me that we'll simply tell each other what wonder we're planning to build once we want that.
[17:22:13] <Joker> Sure, but are you building any wonder now?
[17:22:44] <Matrix> Yes.
[17:22:56] <Matrix> You?
[17:23:07] <Joker> No
[17:23:24] <Matrix> Planning to?
[17:24:03] <Joker> Which wonder are you building?
[17:24:05] <Joker> Yes
[17:24:48] <Matrix> We're building Statue of Zeus.
[17:25:14] <Matrix> So what are you planning?
[17:25:38] <Joker> I hope that the it will be used together with immortals and not against them
[17:25:46] <Matrix> Of course!
[17:25:46] <Ankka> So do we.
[17:25:51] <EMP_CFC> that is what we have been hoping for
[17:26:09] <EMP_CFC> a giant immortal-anchient calvary army
[17:26:33] <Matrix> But about wonders: what wonder are you planning to build?
[17:26:36] <Joker> Great then, i cannot say that i am very surprised.... you never said why you took math
[17:26:44] <Ankka> we did.
[17:26:48] <Matrix> ;-)
[17:26:51] <EMP_CFC> lol
[17:27:06] <Ankka> did we?
[17:27:11] <Ankka> hm...
[17:27:35] <Joker> the gardens, oracle or.... let me check
[17:27:55] <Matrix> I believe we only said it was the outcome of a poll, but nothing more, Ankka.
[17:28:12] <Joker> pyramids
[17:28:18] <Ankka> true, Matrix
[17:28:19] <Ankka> .
[17:28:21] <Joker> We are still discussing this
[17:28:26] <Ankka> I read Joker's sentence wrong.
[17:29:12] <Joker> We will problaly make a poll for this
[17:29:55] <Joker> Do you plan to do other wonders after SoZ?
[17:30:05] <EMP_CFC> nope
[17:30:07] <Matrix> Hm, so now you know what we're building, but we actually still don't know anything more about you. :-/ But whatever, that's the trust allies need. ;-)
[17:30:11] <EMP_CFC> o wait sorry
[17:30:33] <EMP_CFC> we haven't planned
[17:30:38] <Matrix> I thought we hadn't planning anything else, no.
[17:30:41] <Joker> Do you want us to start a wonder so we have something to tell you? lol
[17:30:51] <Joker>
[17:30:51] <Matrix> LOL No, never mind. ;-)
[17:32:17] <Joker> For now then, i will see with C3B if we will build a wonder soon, and I inform you. We will think at wonder for the future too so me may discuss a division
[17:32:41] <Matrix> Seems like a good plan.
[17:33:08] <Matrix> So suppose you don't have ivory, so we can't compete there, right?
[17:33:41] <Ankka> I suppose we have the only source of ivory around. resources are so scarce in C3C.
[17:33:59] <Joker> right, you were lucky with ivory
[17:34:21] <Matrix> You are lucky to have us on your side.
[17:34:39] <Matrix> Have you met anyone else yet? (A potential mutual enemy?)
[17:35:28] <Joker> No, we did not, the only civ we met is very friendly
[17:35:44] <Matrix> Ok. Neither have we.
[17:36:33] <Joker> Shall we go to next subject?
[17:36:44] <Matrix> Sure.
[17:36:50] <Matrix> Which is?
[17:37:10] <Matrix> Hey, we just received a new savegame!
[17:37:34] <Joker> Exploration i think
[17:38:27] <Matrix> Ok.
[17:39:10] <Matrix> Emp, if you wanna chat with Joker again, just say so. But you took such a long time to respond.
[17:40:29] <EMP_CFC> sorry eating brwakfast lol
[17:40:42] <Joker> At past chat we did not agreed at that, mainly because we want to explore by sea more than by land; and you the oposite
[17:41:04] <Joker> So we may agree at making it one agreement after all
[17:41:46] <Matrix> Hm. Well, we've started exploring by sea as well. So we could agree to this after all.
[17:41:57] <Ankka> yes
[17:42:17] <EMP_CFC> yes
[17:42:46] <Joker> good.
[17:43:06] <Matrix> Fact was, we could've allowed you to enter our sea territory, but we didn't have a curragh ourselves back then.
[17:43:36] <Joker> OK, Well, exploration by land is only possible going inside cultural borders, because otherwise we would not explore, because of your cities
[17:43:42] <Matrix> And it was exactly in the period our relationship was abit falling, so we didn't want to give too much to you...
[17:44:12] <Matrix> Yes, but we don't need to enter your cultural borders.
[17:44:34] <Joker> let´s think about the future
[17:44:56] <Matrix> Indeed.
[17:45:25] <Joker> Yes, but of course that there is not reason for us to agree with an agreement that don´t allow entering at cultural borders
[17:45:47] <Matrix> I think a sea exploration treaty is no problem anymore. You may pass into our sea territory without any trouble, if mutual of course.
[17:46:28] <Joker> sure
[17:46:57] <Joker> But about land exploration, you don´t want a exploration that goes inside cultural borders?
[17:47:48] <Matrix> I don't think there's any need. And the only way of doing so is by sending a worker. A bit of a waste, don't you think?
[17:47:55] <Matrix> At least for us without any doubt.
[17:49:08] <Matrix> But here's the deal: there isn't anything passed us, but some more land and then sea.
[17:49:17] <Joker> What do you meen by any need? exploration is very important. About the unit, i don´t see any problems of using a warrior, after all at an alliance we have to trust which other at least a bit
[17:50:04] <Joker> land and sea is the whole map
[17:50:08] <EMP_CFC> joker, most of us do not care what is in your territory or above it
[17:50:42] <Matrix> Yea. What is interesting however is what's west of you.
[17:51:48] <Matrix> Have you fully explored the northern border of our continent? Is there a possibility there's someone else on our continent?
[17:51:52] <Joker> Come on, you ansked many times to explore by land, And also at an alliance you have to know to territoty of your ally, is something basic
Part 2:
[17:52:24] * Joins: RikMeleet (~DsPro2@2b2c869d.2486bca.adsl.zonnet.nl)
[17:52:29] <Matrix> Well, you can't
[17:52:29] <Ankka> hi
[17:52:32] <Matrix> oops
[17:52:33] <RikMeleet> Hello
[17:52:34] <Matrix> Hi, Rik!
[17:52:38] <EMP_CFC> hi
[17:53:02] <Matrix> Well, you can't trade territory maps without Navigation for a reason.
[17:53:20] <Ankka> I thought it said Map Making in the rules...
[17:53:28] <Joker> yes, the rules are clear, we cannot trade
[17:53:30] <Matrix> Not in Conquests, Ankka.
[17:53:32] <Joker> but we may explore
[17:54:33] <Joker> Honestly, it seems like that you are hiding something again, to explore is one of the most important things of the ancient era
[17:55:02] <Matrix> Well, what I just told you is that you don't miss a thing: there's nothing beneath us!
[17:55:05] <RikMeleet> Any agreements today ?
[17:55:32] <Matrix> We're on a peninsula. So why do the trouble if we aren't interested in your territory anyway?
[17:55:43] <Matrix> Yes, we agreed to explore by sea, Rik.
[17:56:02] <Ankka> if you may explore by boat, why the need on land?
[17:56:04] <RikMeleet> ok. That way C3B can see we're on a peninsula.
[17:56:19] <Joker> That´s ok Matrix, but we would like to have a full explorating, so you would explorate our land. Exploration is important to see the resources and cities
[17:57:01] <Joker> if you prefered we may agree with a worker
[17:57:18] <RikMeleet> Hey that's my plan !!
[17:57:23] <Matrix> That is ok then.
[17:58:06] <Joker> we have no intencion of attaking or anything like that, but a full vision of the map is importante to estimate the location of the oponents too
[17:58:34] <Matrix> You're right that when two are allies they should trust each other and should allow a warrior to pass. But why take the risk if it isn't necessary anyway. That's my point.
[17:58:35] <Joker> So exploration with a worker?
[17:58:35] <RikMeleet> We aren't worried about war, now that C3B and CFC are getting started to work together.
[17:58:43] <Matrix> But a worker is of course no problem!
[17:59:11] <RikMeleet> Shall we propose to our forums to allow exploration with a worker ?
[17:59:20] <RikMeleet> Even inside cultural boundaries ?
[17:59:31] <Joker> ok then. Agreed, exploration with a worker inside borders. And by sea with curragh right?
[17:59:39] <Matrix> Seems like a good idea, Rik. ;-)
[18:00:01] <RikMeleet> Joker: of course the forums need to have a vote, I think ...
[18:00:09] <EMP_CFC> yes they do
[18:00:15] <Matrix> Yes. But I don't even think we need a poll about curraghs; we've already discussed that enough in our forum.
[18:00:25] <Joker> sure, we also have. I am not a dictador ... yet
[18:00:27] <Joker> hehehe
[18:00:31] <EMP_CFC> lol
[18:00:31] <Matrix> LOL
[18:00:32] <RikMeleet> hehehe
[18:00:45] <RikMeleet> Are trades discussed here already as well ?
[18:00:47] <Matrix> They read this chat log too, right?
[18:00:54] <Matrix> What trades?
[18:01:01] <RikMeleet> tech-trades
[18:01:11] <Joker> sure, every conversation, including the informal ones
[18:01:11] <EMP_CFC> wait
[18:01:31] <EMP_CFC> now a poll on land exploration with a worker and sea by currgh
[18:01:50] <RikMeleet> yes. And no blockading I prseume
[18:01:57] <Joker> both inside borders right?
[18:01:57] <RikMeleet> *presume
[18:02:04] <Matrix> Yes.
[18:02:10] <EMP_CFC> ok
[18:02:16] <RikMeleet> We will have a vote including inside borders
[18:02:21] <EMP_CFC> we will have the answer next meeting
[18:02:28] <Joker> Oh yes, please no blocking.
[18:02:34] <EMP_CFC> ok
[18:02:36] <Joker> We will have
[18:02:39] <Matrix> Joker, one issue: can we explore the west of your territory with a warrior? There might be barbarians there.
[18:02:49] <RikMeleet> hmmm
[18:03:06] <RikMeleet> Let's have a warrior of the other team for protection against barbarians
[18:03:10] <EMP_CFC> I think that if it is outside borders a warrior would be ok
[18:03:25] <Joker> Let make general so: inside borders with worker only, outside warrior
[18:03:30] <Joker> for both
[18:03:32] <RikMeleet> Joker: We love barbarians; we enslave them
[18:03:42] <Matrix> Cool, Joker!
[18:03:47] <Joker> And we kill them, elite units
[18:03:55] <Matrix> Haha!
[18:04:08] <RikMeleet> C3B and CFC allied against barbarians
[18:04:13] <Ankka> lol
[18:04:17] <Ankka> one mutual enemy...
[18:04:18] <EMP_CFC> lol
[18:04:19] <Matrix> Well, at least it's something.
[18:04:35] <Joker> the first enemy of many
[18:05:35] <RikMeleet> Do to summarise the worker-exploration thingy: Both team can explore the other nation's lands with a worker and the other nation takes care of protection from barbarians. - Is that it ?
[18:05:46] <Joker> So good then. By sea: only curraghs inside borders. By land: warrior outside, worker inside borders.
[18:06:06] <Joker> yes
[18:06:09] <Matrix> No, not exactly. Inside cultural borders, protection isn't necessary.
[18:06:18] <Joker> maybe
[18:06:20] <RikMeleet> Just 1 detail; what if the protection fails ?
[18:06:23] <Matrix> Outside we allow a warrior of our own.
[18:06:29] <Joker> an horde of horsemans...
[18:06:48] <Matrix> Outside cultural borders we allow a warrior I mean.
[18:06:55] <Joker> if is not intentional it is ok, if is....
[18:07:52] <Joker> So, this is it then. Let´s vote and see
[18:08:23] <Matrix> Cool! Hey, this chat has been very prosporous.
[18:08:26] <RikMeleet> I'm still not completely happy with the "failed protetion" issue
[18:08:39] <RikMeleet> Let's make an agreement on that before it happens
[18:08:49] <Ankka> you mean the workeR?
[18:09:22] <Matrix> Ah, Rik, I don't think that'll be an issue. The worker is only for exploration inside each others cultural borders. Normally there aren't any barbarians there.
[18:09:30] <EMP_CFC> yes
[18:09:30] <RikMeleet> Can we have some thoughts on what to do if the explorinh worker is lost, even while the other nation did it's utmost to protect it.
[18:09:44] <EMP_CFC> 20 gold per worker
[18:09:49] <Joker> Oh, and just one warrior outside, one worker inside and one curragh right?
[18:10:02] <RikMeleet> Matrix: I can imagine there is land outside cultural borders a warrior cannot reach legally.
[18:10:09] <Matrix> And if there are the one in which territory it is should simply warn the one with the worker and mutually do everything they can to avoid loss.
[18:10:10] <Joker> If we see a bunch of warriors we will be worried
[18:10:27] <RikMeleet> You wont see that bunch wearing dark red !
[18:10:45] <Joker> so one unit of which right?
[18:11:07] <RikMeleet> I guess so.
[18:11:50] <Joker> imagine 10 workers inside borders,
[18:12:04] <EMP_CFC> lol
[18:12:07] <Matrix> That would be annoying.
[18:12:23] <Ankka> and unaffordable to anyone this time in the game
[18:12:38] <Joker> yes, So more on exploration?
[18:12:43] <Matrix> Is there anything else to discuss?
[18:12:49] <RikMeleet> But please fon't fix "1 unit max" in stone. Please add "unless specifically agreed otherwise"
[18:13:09] <RikMeleet> I like flexibility with mutual consent
[18:13:28] <Matrix> Rik, are you a jurist?
[18:13:35] <RikMeleet> Nope; mathematician
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[18:13:45] <SW> hi
[18:13:50] <RikMeleet> hello.
[18:13:50] <Matrix> Hello.
[18:13:53] <SW> sorry for my late arrival
[18:13:56] <Matrix> Are you from C3B?
[18:13:57] <Joker> But I want to agreed otherwise now. at least for warriors it sould be 1 unit max.
[18:14:04] <EMP_CFC> he is
[18:14:07] <Joker> Hi Silver. He is the ambassador
[18:14:11] <SW>
[18:14:21] <RikMeleet> Joker: I agree; unless the other team speciically allows more.
[18:15:34] <RikMeleet> But that's just a detail; let's keep it at 1 warrior max. We can always adjust if needed and agreed by both C3B and CFC
[18:15:45] <Joker> So the agreement should be: Fixed 1 unit max. Add: Unless specifically agreed otherwise
[18:15:46] <Joker>
[18:15:55] <RikMeleet> cool
[18:16:14] <RikMeleet> L augh O out L oud there'll be a ot of voting this week
[18:16:27] <Matrix> Joker, can you tell anything about the shape of your area. Now that we've told you we're on a peninsula...
[18:17:12] <Joker> i´m not good at geometry, but i will try
[18:17:30] <Joker> Do you see our capital?
[18:17:37] <Matrix> Just...
[18:18:04] <Matrix> Hardy I mean. But go on.
[18:19:25] <Joker> A sec... opening map
[18:20:19] <Matrix> Sure.
[18:21:15] <Joker> We have some small space above it.
[18:21:30] <Joker> A space of a city
[18:21:43] <Joker> It´s hard to describe....
[18:21:48] <Matrix> And then there's water already?
[18:21:49] <Joker> Silver, give me a hand
[18:22:17] <RikMeleet> You are on the end of the land or is there more land somewhere ?
[18:23:00] <SW> well we are not sure.... but seem's that ends nearby
[18:23:02] <Joker> We saw water.
[18:23:09] <Joker> Rik, do you meen islands?
[18:23:41] <RikMeleet> Islands , peninsula, continents.
[18:23:46] <SW> we haven't discovered all..... this continent seems like america.... a south part like yours a central part and then a north part (ours)
[18:24:10] <Joker> we were exploring south, the area between our cities and DMZ
[18:24:14] <RikMeleet> ah. So you are in "Canada" and we are in "Argentina"
[18:24:17] <Joker> we will see North now
[18:24:21] <Matrix> Is there any chance we will meet another civ on our continent?
[18:24:32] <Joker> why not Brazil?
[18:24:41] <RikMeleet> We don't want to take your place
[18:24:42] <Joker> i don´t think so
[18:24:43] <Matrix> Yea, Rik! Think big! ;-)
[18:24:47] <Matrix> Ok.
[18:25:20] <SW> I would say 99.9% impossible to find anyone else on our continent
[18:25:37] <Matrix> That's pretty sure. ;-)
[18:25:43] <Joker> that 0,1% are the barbs?
[18:25:44] <RikMeleet> C3B: I suppose you haven't completed the exploration of your lands ??? - Then you must have a lot.
[18:26:13] <Joker> Actualy not, we were exploring the south
[18:26:50] <RikMeleet> So you are the "head of the dog" and we are on "the tail of the dog".
[18:26:51] <SW> let's be honest... has we found your civ our mind was focused on watching your moves
[18:27:37] <Joker> yes, and we will explore the ears
[18:27:38] <Joker>
[18:27:45] <Matrix> Hmmm, a little paranoid there.
[18:27:50] <Joker> that warrior thing ocuped ours warrior a lot, that time....
[18:27:52] <RikMeleet> Some dogs have big ears . hehehe
[18:28:00] <Joker> let´s leave that at the past
[18:28:21] <Matrix> Sure, Joker. Only...joking...
Part 3:
[18:28:30] <SW> let me change subject... what is your ideia of goverment: chase monarchy or republic?
[18:28:54] <Matrix> Wow, there's a thing we haven't thought of.
[18:29:00] <EMP_CFC> yes yes
[18:29:02] <EMP_CFC> what is yuor idea?
[18:29:08] <RikMeleet> SW: My opinion = It depends; if we find a 3rd nation soon : Monarchy for war. If we don't : Republic
[18:29:10] <SW> I believe that we have to focus VERY QUICKLY on chasing one of them
[18:29:27] <Joker> yes, depotism sucks
[18:29:29] <Ankka> how many techs do you have?
[18:29:33] <Ankka> I mean what?
[18:29:50] <SW> joker... do u have them in your head?
[18:30:07] <Ankka> Mysticism?
[18:30:08] <Joker> that you dont´have: cb and myst. We are taking poly now
[18:30:22] <Joker> you have math and are at Writing
[18:30:27] <Ankka> Then I guess Monarchy would be the beter move now.
[18:30:31] <Ankka> yes.
[18:30:36] <Joker> at least that was last chat
[18:30:44] <Ankka> still is for some time.
[18:30:55] <SW> if we keep "alone" we could focus on rep
[18:31:14] <SW> we could try some cooperation to get there more quickly
[18:31:21] <RikMeleet> We might need suicide curraghs or suicide galleys to be sure
[18:31:29] <Joker> yes, do you think getting philosophy to try an extra tech?
[18:32:08] <Matrix> I think we should've thought of that a long time ago.
[18:32:13] <RikMeleet> Joker: we were more focussed on you then on the tech and the governments
[18:32:15] <Ankka> I guess CDZ already has it, they started IIRC with alpha as the Iro
[18:32:37] <Ankka> so only 2 techs, easy for them
[18:32:55] <SW> yeah... I belive we should forget philo
[18:33:01] <RikMeleet> Proposal : C3B goes for Monarchy; CFC for Republic; we can choose when needed .
[18:33:05] <Ankka> while we have researched all other stuff... no way we or you could get the bonus anymore, I guess.
[18:33:37] <Joker> but monarchy and repuclic are optional and expensive to get both
[18:33:38] <SW> Rik.... I believe that would be giving away time...
[18:33:50] <SW> we should choose only one and get it QUICKLY!
[18:33:51] <RikMeleet> I meant towards ....
[18:34:01] <SW> I understood
[18:34:11] <RikMeleet> Let's have a forum vote this week
[18:34:17] <SW> ok...
[18:34:22] <RikMeleet> Compare next chat and decide
[18:34:25] <SW> let me just say something
[18:34:31] <Joker> ok, another thing to vote
[18:34:36] <SW> what if you vote for one and us vote for another!
[18:34:45] <SW> that would give a tie
[18:34:51] <RikMeleet> Include that in the options,
[18:35:04] <RikMeleet> Sometihng like:
[18:35:07] <Joker> SW: it is always like that
[18:35:36] <RikMeleet> "I prefer Mon, but if C3B wants Rep; I'd go for Rep" and ""I prefer Mon, but if C3B wants Rep; I'd go for mon still"
[18:35:45] <Joker> at first at the relation CFC-C3B were not good we were going for sure to monarchy but now is diferent
[18:36:06] <SW> I believe that this is something like gabling.... will we find anyone quickly? yes - mon; no - rep
[18:36:30] <Matrix> True.
[18:36:43] <Ankka> I doubt anyone who is a threat for a little time, until galleys... so rep would be wise...
[18:36:47] <Matrix> So we should also make sure we put every effort in finding others.
[18:36:51] <Ankka> my own idea, that is
[18:37:35] <Joker> rep still have unit suport, we make a quick war with immortals and ancient cavalary and that´´s it
[18:37:35] <SW> my personal ideia is that we need to develop quickly cause the other 3 may be on a continent too
[18:37:53] <SW> ancient cavalary? cfc has ivory? :O
[18:37:59] <RikMeleet> This poll will work:
[18:38:00] <RikMeleet> option 1: "I want Monarchy, but if C3B votes for Republic -> Rep"
[18:38:00] <RikMeleet> Option 2: "I want Monarchy, but if C3B votes for Republic -> Mon"
[18:38:00] <RikMeleet> Option 3: "I want Republic, but if C3B votes for Monarchy -> Rep"
[18:38:00] <RikMeleet> Option 4: "I want Republic, but if C3B votes for Monarchy -> Mon"
[18:38:21] <RikMeleet> of course C3B can be changed for CFC
[18:38:36] <Matrix> Option 2: "I want Monarchy, no matter what!"
[18:38:39] <EMP_CFC> ahhh confusing poll
[18:38:51] <Joker> realy confusing
[18:38:52] <RikMeleet> It needs a good explanation; indeed
[18:39:21] <SW> I want to discuss this with my president, but I believe that we should focus on Rep!
[18:39:28] <RikMeleet> We can expect a tie between C3B and CFC -> better to think of it before that happens
[18:39:44] <SW> We should try to influence our people that rep is the best option on a coop game...
[18:40:36] <RikMeleet> 8,12[11,12 Citizen Spot Vote 8,12]2,0 (4 Yes/No/Abstain )
[18:40:37] <Matrix> "Convince" you mean?
[18:40:57] <RikMeleet> sorry ...
[18:40:59] <Joker> Mass control? that´s not good
[18:41:08] <RikMeleet> experimenting with the spot vote.
[18:41:29] <SW> yes matrix
[18:41:31] <RikMeleet> What do we (present at the chat) think is the best government ?
[18:41:43] <Matrix> Ah, I got a suggestion, if I may:
[18:42:08] <SW> my opinion: I belive that 2 combined forced @ republic could go VERY far
[18:42:28] <Matrix> We combine our poll outcomes. E.g.: CFC has 60% rep and 40% mon. C3B has 70% mon, 30% rep. In that case we'll go for mon. Is that ok?
[18:42:52] <Matrix> Just add each others percentages...
[18:42:59] <RikMeleet> My opinion: Republic will serve us best in the long term. It's not that likely the other civs are near.
[18:43:12] <RikMeleet> Matrix: or just add the numbers of CFC and C3B
[18:43:13] <SW> it's a nice idea matrix
[18:43:18] <Joker> It may be.... I think we will have to vote and see. If it is a tie we still have time
[18:43:47] <EMP_CFC> MAtrix, yuor posting the poll, I don't really understand it
[18:44:08] <RikMeleet> Let's say CFC votes : Mon-18 votes, Rep - 16 votes. C3B votes Mon - 17 votes, Rep - 18 votes. Combined Mon has 35 votes, Rep has 36 votes .
[18:44:53] <RikMeleet> Well: discuss further; I'm off to do some shopping -> Bye all
[18:45:02] <EMP_CFC> farwell
[18:45:03] * RikMeleet is now known as RikMeleet-Away
[18:45:03] * RikMeleet-Away has left the Chat. Reason: [Shopping]
[18:45:08] <Matrix> I think that might lead to frustration, because one of us could have much more citizens. Percentages would be best as each of our civs are equally valuable.
[18:45:29] <Matrix> ("...both of our civs...")
[18:45:30] <Joker> we do have more citizens
[18:45:52] <Joker> i think we should vote, and see. We have time
[18:45:54] <Matrix> I don't know. Do you? ;-)
[18:46:14] <Joker> and past chats that was the info
[18:46:24] <Joker> Dorovan era
[18:46:35] <Matrix> Donovan.
[18:46:41] <Ankka> Donovan
[18:46:45] <Ankka> lol
[18:46:57] <Joker> sorry
[18:47:04] <Matrix> Is there anything else to discuss?
[18:47:28] <Joker> yes
[18:47:51] <Matrix> Ok...
[18:48:30] <Joker> An idea from the citizens of c3b:
[18:49:23] <Matrix> brb
[18:49:27] * Matrix is now known as Matrix-away
[18:49:52] <Joker> let´s add punishments for each agreement, like the rules of the Game.
[18:50:25] <Joker> They would be done by the moderators of the game
[18:50:40] <EMP_CFC> I think the possibliety of immortals in our cities is a big punishment
[18:50:51] * Matrix-away is now known as Matrix
[18:50:53] <Joker> yes, it would be
[18:51:05] <Joker> like we would lost 50% of our army
[18:51:55] <Ankka> I thikn it is enough if we send the agreements to the admins.
[18:51:58] <Ankka> *think
[18:52:02] <Matrix> You mean if one does not keep to his end of an agreement he should be penalized?
[18:52:23] <Matrix> Can you give an example?
[18:52:30] <Matrix> A serious one?
[18:52:30] <Joker> yes, it is an idea. Like this:
[18:53:40] <Joker> at the end of the article about NAP would have: If any part disregard this article, the coutry would lose 30% of its army and 10% of its gold
[18:54:05] <Joker> *country
[18:54:29] <Matrix> Interesting idea, but I fear it will never work.
[18:54:43] <Ankka> yeah.
[18:54:47] <Joker> The admins may peform the punishment
[18:55:06] <Ankka> let's ask the people.
[18:55:16] <Matrix> No, I'm sorry but that's a bit silly. This is Civ3!!
[18:55:27] <EMP_CFC> I agree with matrix
[18:56:34] <Matrix> Why would anyone not act to a mutual agreement? If one does, it's because they have some other nasty plan. But if the admin has to intervene.....what is he then? A god?
[18:56:36] <Joker> so we should preserve our honor and don´t disregard
[18:57:04] <Matrix> Yea, but I'm also allowed to disagree and explain why.
[18:57:06] <Joker> god? that one is good
[18:59:06] <Matrix> If someone does not act to his end of a bargain, he will never admit it. But that's an issue between those two civs. There is no International Court of Law here.
[18:59:18] <EMP_CFC> I am aginst all admin intervension, as it will make things nasty
[18:59:50] <SW> let me say something here
[19:00:05] <SW> that was an ideia of some c3b citizen
[19:00:15] <SW> we will report that you don't agree
[19:00:17] <Matrix> I gotta go soon, by the way.
[19:00:19] <SW> just that
[19:00:33] <Joker> that´s ok
[19:00:36] <Matrix> Sure.
[19:00:37] <RikMeleet-Away> I'm just back for a few seconds.
[19:00:42] <SW> I believe that we are just finishing, aren't we?
[19:00:45] <RikMeleet-Away> Punishment ?
[19:00:58] <Matrix> I think so.
[19:01:00] <Joker> punishment for being away
[19:01:02] <Joker>
[19:01:03] <RikMeleet-Away> That's not very civ-like.
[19:01:06] <Matrix> lol
[19:01:22] <EMP_CFC> lol
[19:01:51] <RikMeleet-Away> In a single game you don't get to loose 30% of your army if a deal is broken ....
[19:01:53] <Matrix> Ok, it's been a good chat! Emp, I trust you'll save the chat log.
[19:02:09] <Ankka> I have it too.
[19:02:11] <Joker> ok then, next saturday is techs
[19:02:17] <Ankka> cya then
[19:02:25] <RikMeleet-Away> well never mind; My girlfriend expects me to do the shopping today adn I'm already a bit behind schedule. I'm off (really now)
[19:02:29] <Joker> let´s think at some deals
[19:03:15] <Matrix> I'm going now. See you next week (I think).
[19:03:24] * Quits: Matrix (MatrixCL@2b32ee69.2e138044.gr.home.nl) (Quit: )
[19:03:34] <EMP_CFC> wait how to I keep a log?
[19:04:10] <SW> lol
[19:04:13] <Ankka> I have one, don't worry
[19:04:23] <Joker> ok then, i have one too
[19:04:27] <Joker> see you then
[19:04:31] <EMP_CFC> farwell
[19:04:53] <SW> bye then
[19:04:57] <Ankka> bye
[19:04:59] <SW> see u next saturday
[19:05:14] <EMP_CFC> se you]
[19:05:16] * Quits: SW (chatzilla@ba95af8.ba95af8.362b7f89.642f304X) (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.64c [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040206])
[19:05:25] * Parts: Joker (Joker@1c25dec6.3b87238b.d0a9903.1e706c24X)
[19:05:42] <EMP_CFC> ankka, will you keep this chat going for later chats
[19:06:31] <Ankka> ?
[19:06:38] <Ankka> this channel is registered.
[19:06:41] <Ankka> it will stay.
[19:16:28] <EMP_CFC> good good
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[20:49:05] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sat Jul 10 20:49:05 2004
Cheetah
Deity
I don't know how you others feel, but I don't think we can afford a Worker for exploring.
I think it is possible to trust C3B now, and I would like to let both of us send a Warrior to explore the others land, both inside and outside cultural borders.
In a few turns we will have Writing and can establish an embassy in their Capital as well.
I think it is possible to trust C3B now, and I would like to let both of us send a Warrior to explore the others land, both inside and outside cultural borders.
In a few turns we will have Writing and can establish an embassy in their Capital as well.
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Cheetah said:
I like the idea of an embassy but we should ask first.
Cheetah, I really thought it was too risky. We wouldn't be able to leave cities undefended. Sure that would ruin their reputation, but also our game. With each other as only potential enemy for many turns to come I think that is simply too dangerous. I would still not be surprised if they'd be raw dealing us. I raw deal them in any case. 
And...ask to build an embassy??
And...ask to build an embassy??
Cheetah
Deity
Well, if we had a defender in every city we could maybe lower the luxury slider as well? I know how you feel, but we will have the same ability to attack them when we explore. And we would have some ACs or JTs to take the city back in any case.
The game wouldn't be completly lost, but it would hurt us.
The think is that I would really like to explore their lands, but a Worker is way to expensive. But maybe I'll change my mind when we see the inside of their Capital.
About the embassy. Do you think they will be insulted if we don't ask first? I want to establish an embassy anyway! We get a free peak into their capital, with all the knowledge that gives, and we stop them from doing the same to us!
The game wouldn't be completly lost, but it would hurt us.
The think is that I would really like to explore their lands, but a Worker is way to expensive. But maybe I'll change my mind when we see the inside of their Capital.
About the embassy. Do you think they will be insulted if we don't ask first? I want to establish an embassy anyway! We get a free peak into their capital, with all the knowledge that gives, and we stop them from doing the same to us!
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Cheetah said:About the embassy. Do you think they will be insulted if we don't ask first? I want to establish an embassy anyway! We get a free peak into their capital, with all the knowledge that gives, and we stop them from doing the same to us!
I can promise you that they will be very angry. I would stongly advise anginst it.
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Once again, I really need for someone to promise to me that they will be able to run the chat with C3B. Please tell me if you are interested.
gert-janl
Alive!!!
How about the minister of Foreign Affairs?
I won't be present; I'll be enjoying a small holiday in Spa-Belgium.
I really would like to do it again!
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Matrix said:I really would like to do it again!
Ok Matirx, you have the job. Please cheak the letter C3B mailed us (it's somewhere around the forum) to see what is on the agenda.. As for the stuff on borders and tech that they want to discuss all the information should be in the threads I made. I think we will be using that new embasssy also.
