Term 4 - The Senate

[Rik Meleet]

I'm sorry Gert-Jan; foutje. I missed it.

Senators

A request has been sumitted by Governor Gert_Janl.
I would therefore like to hereby submit a Cashrush Request to rush a courthouse in Acheron the next turnchat. The cost will be 200 gold.

item 7:
Do you approve of the cashrushing of a courthouse in Acheron for 200 gold ? ( Y / N / A )

It might be wise if you approve of multiple cashrushes (items 5, 6 and 7) to give the order in which you want to cashrush them.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Senators
Please post your slider-settings. If different proposals are posted I will call for a vote.

 

[Furiey]

Senators

We may be declaring War on Babylon (or at least persuading them to declare War on us) during the next turn chat, and there is a poll up concerning a Military Alliance with India. Unfortunately, until we are at war, I do not know how much this may cost us. Any cost may well be offset by a ROP with Russia (they pay 20gold + WM) which is also being polled and a suggested ROP with India (they pay 2 gpt + 4 gold). You never know, they may even pay us!

I apologise for not being able to give you specific details of the requirement, but hope that should the Alliance poll pass you will approve the expenditure.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Senators

An item has been brought up by the Minister of Foreign affairs. It's about paying an unknown cost to India for a MA Vs Babylon, if the citizens in the polls decide to do so.

item 8:
Do you approve to pay for a MA with India Vs Babylon ?

Yes - please state the max amount you want to pay.
No
Abstain.

 

[Noldodan]

Item 6: Yes
Item 7: Yes, after the Pikes
Item 8: Yes, after the military upgrades
Item 9: Yes, up to 5 gpt or 75 gold

Note: Yes, my numbering IS correct, RM got mixed up somewhere (i.e. two Item 7s)

 

[GenMarshall]

Item 6: Y
Item 7: Y
Item 8: Y
Item 9: Y

 

[Chieftess]

Another request. In about 10 turns or so, we will have Cavalry. I request that, after next turn, we save up our gold, and have atleast 600 gold in reserve for Knight to Cav upgrades (30 knights to cav). We are making about 50gpt (500 gold in 10 turns, give or take the reduced science when there's 1 turn left for research). I think a 600 gold purse will be more than enough for an upgrade to cavs, right when our knights are in place. Our Golden Age is also nearly upon us, if we have a musket that's attacked.

 

[Rik Meleet]

CT: That will be an item for the next turnchat.

Sorry 'bout items 7. Vote is for 6,7,8 and 9. Thanks for paying attetntion Nold.

 

[gert-janl]

Fellow Senators,

I think that, due to lots of financial requests, it's wise to make a financial overview, to see if we actually can pay all the approved items.

In this overview, you can see that not all items can be approved if we want to end with 600 gold. In my opinion it is very important to end the turnchat with this amount, so we have to reconsider our votes. In the overview I denied my own cashrushrequest, as it doesn't have the same priority as unit upgrading. In the overview I also denied the Foreign Affairs request, but we can pay that with the extra money we make when we adjust the slider just before we researched metallurgy.

I have to add that the 53 gpt will not be maintained as units are being produced with high speed. So this is a very optimistic overview, and it already shows that item 7 cannot be entertained, and that we end the turnchat near 500 gold.
Moreover, I don't know what the plans are for the T&T ministry: will they make or cost money?

Rik, can you call a revote with this new info?
I now vote:
Item 6: Y
Item 7: Y
Item 8: N (as long as T&T ministry doesn't bring in more money)
Item 9: Y
Research speed must be maintained, please adjust slider, if possible, just before we researched our new tech.
No lux setting required.

 

[Noldodan]

gert-janl: I agree with you on the courthouse thing, but as far as the foreign affairs thing goes, I don't see problem with it as long as it costs less than 100 gold. Therefore I am changing my vote on Item 8 to No.

 

[gert-janl]

Originally posted by Noldodan
as far as the foreign affairs thing goes, I don't see problem with it as long as it costs less than 100 gold.

It isn't a problem. Like I said, we can finance those expenses with the extra money that we get when we decrease the science slider at 1 turn from metallurgy. I denied money for it in the overview just to show that without these expenses we won't even get to 600 gold at the end of the turnchat.

 

[Chieftess]

I will also try to get a unit to impale (shoot) itself on a Musketeer for our Golden Age, which will dramatically affect our income.

 

[tao]

Hey: I return from short vacation and find these Items a mess: What is what? I include my guesses:

Item sliders: Y
Item cashrushes: Y
Item worker actions: Y
Item pikes->muskets: Y
Item spears->muskets: N (we don't have the money currently)
Item Acheron court: N (WLTKD shoud start with pop 6 in 6 turns; same effect on production as courthouse; thus not needed)

 

[Rik Meleet]

Senators

No cashrush requests have been put in for this turnchat. But they can still come.

There was however 1 request which continues to be of importance. In 2 turns we know the mysteries of Military Tradition. This means Cavalry. At least if we have the funds to upgrade our knights. And some defenders to Musketeers.

Please state: How much gold do we need to hold in reserve for Military upgrades ?

(And please use this to also post your preferred slider settings now, and after we learn Mil Trad).

 

[tao]

We have about 377g and will make same amount (at least) in the next 2 turns as taxes. Thus we have about 740g.

There still are the "open" cash-rush requests for Kadessa's library (232g) and Audiac's walls (44g) (and possibly barracks). I consider these still very necessary. Total 278g.

Upgrading knight to cavalry costs 20g. Thus we can't afford to upgrade all of them immediately, but 20+ should be done. Total 400+g.

All of the above we can do without spending the additional cash from the proposed trades. And from possibly lowering the science slider next turn.

Spend the extra money for Audiac's barracks (in 2 turns) and more upgrades as necessary.

I propose to set the science slider high enough to sustain 4 turn research. We currently don't need luxury spending. Accumulate cash to keep up research after our Golden Age ends.

 

[Chieftess]

I estimate a good 520g for the Cav upgrades, although, it's possible that we could be using more gold to upgrade a wandering spear or pike or two. It depends on what's being built, and what I can move around.


In the meanwhile, I'll be playing with the War Chest.

 

[Furiey]

Senators

The people are voting here on whether or not we want a Military Alliance with India. The cost of an Alliance against Russia is currently 40 gold, although this may change as time passes. The cost of an Alliance against either Babylon or Germany is unknown at this time, so if the option to sign the Alliance only if Germany or Babylon also declare war against us is chosen, I intend to leave the choice of which Civ to ally against to the DP. This will allow the cost of the Alliance to be balanced against the benefit obtained from it. Any cost may to some extent offset by 20 gold from a Peace Renegotiation with Persia which is also being voted on at this time.

I apologise that yet again I come to you with a request for an unspecified amount, athough I do have a little more information than last time!

Thank you

 

[Rik Meleet]

Senators

Voting time !

Sliders: tao's proposal = I propose to set the science slider high enough to sustain 4 turn research. We currently don't need luxury spending. Accumulate cash to keep up research after our Golden Age ends.

item 10
Do you approve of these slider settings ? ( Y / N / A )

Cashrushes

item 11
request for the cashrush of Kadessa's library (232g)
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A )

Item 12
request for the cashrush of Audiac's walls (44g)
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A )

item 13
request for the cashrush of Audiac's barracks (unknown amount)
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A )

item 14
request for 520g for the Cav upgrades.
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A )

item 15
request for possible purchase of MA with India Versus Russia (and others if they ally with Russia). (variable amount, currently 40 gold.)
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A ) - note: if the vote in the poll is for alliances, you have to have very good reason to reject it !

item 16
request for cashrushes of an unspecified amount of pikes and spears to muskets.
Do you approve of this cashrush ? ( Y / N / A )
If you vote "Yes", please specify a min and/or max amount for this.

Senators
Please also provide the order in which you want to spend our hard-earned Euro's.

 

[GenMarshall]

Item 10: Yes
Item 11: Yes
Item 12: Yes
Item 13: No, Need more information
Item 14: Yes
Item 15: Yes
Item 16: Yes (Max ~450g)

 

[tao]

Item 10: Yes
Item 11: Yes
Item 12: Yes
Item 13: Yes (after all other requests have been serviced)
Item 14: Yes (over 3-4 turns depending on funds available after doing 11, 12)
Item 15: No.
Item 16: Yes (Max ~450g)