TGOMTG Conquest Class Challenge (C3C)

[soul_warrior]

not too much money floating about. maybe 400g or so.
i mentioned banking for the other techs we might swing by it (i.e. Astronomy and PP) while keeping persia off our back for another 20.

but i guess we can wait that extra 10 or so for the gecko-war to end.

another pointer - if we intend to eliminate greece, and i gather we are, please note that single city they have smack down within germany. (about 10 tiles of german land in between, and north of they greek main body.
just thought this should factor into our war plans.

 

[namliaM]

I was actually thinking about taking on the Persians for a bit.

I read about them having a big group goto Germany to War there. But I have not seen them come back yet?! Is that right?

This means that Persians should be less defensively capable than "normal" at the moment. I was thinking to make it a quick war, objectives:
1) Obtain Lux city #1
2) Obtain Lux City #2
3) Connect our empire
4) Get some research the pointy stick way.

 

[Bede]

Persia would work too. TOne downside would be the unfinished nature of the arrangement, meaning that thought will have to go into maintaining garrisons to protect against involuntary conversion. The other downside is the hefty nature of the Persian defense and possible counter attacks. Not an issue with the Greeks.

The littel of city of Knossos would make a nice gift to our Persian friends if we elect to go that way and head for the Greeks.

namliaM is our conquesting king so I would leave it up to his judgment.

 

[Methos]

My preference is Greece, though that's just because they would be easy.

If we could take out Persia this early in the game it would definitely put us in a much better posistion against Babyon. Also if we do go after Persia I definitely suggest inviting Babylon to join the party.

I haven't had time to look at the past couple saves so am unsure on our military situation, do we have the ability to take Persia? Or would it be wiser to take out Greece first?

 

[soul_warrior]

well, imho, we can harrass Persia quite a bit.
greece is easier, but persia...
basically its a 2 way war - we can go either way!
next up. think before acting. then do what has to be done.

 

[namliaM]

Greece is easy and for land only. Persia is RESEARCH!
Greece is a taget because
1) They are (to) small
2) Lag in Tech
3) Cut our land

Counter:
1) Small but 1 stray city in German lands, which is a pain
Small => Not much of a threat
2) Tech parity insures they are not a real threat
3) We can make the land bridge by connecting thru Persia instead while having a ROP with Greece. Then once it is connected, lose the RoP with greece and take that land.

IMO: We have troops on the Western border and on the south (In and around Elipi and Eridu) We are currently more or less perfectly positioned to get the lux towns and Atbeta (sp??) (First town near Eridu in Persian lands) before Persia even realise they are at war.

Also (I meantioned this before) I read about a big stack of persians going into Germany, but I did not see them come back.
If they are still out there, it means 2 things:
1) Less units in their home lands
2) I can expect a counter attack from the German side most probably on SF and in numbers. I will try to see if I can either get a wall up or grow past size 6 any time soon.

Other points:
3) Going to war sooner rather than later will allow me to take out the knights just outside Eridu. Taking them out in a controled fashion will help nicely with keeping losses down.
4) The persian towns near WDC, NY, SF and such. After "de-jungle-ing" should make very nice productive citys in all 3 categories f/s/c. The Greek city's will be much less productive as they are much further away from WDC.
5) Nice luxes to hook up to keep the people happy and saveguard against WW

Thinking about it more and more... leads me to think more and more that Persia is the more lucrative target right now.

 

[Methos]

namliaM is our conquesting king so I would leave it up to his judgment.

As Bede said, it's up to you. If you believe we have what it takes to whip Persia than go for it. If you don't than don't.

If you do invade Persia I would suggest we invite Babylon before Persia does. Don't have to worry about Greece (or shouldn't) since we have a RoP with them.

Is Germany still at war with Persia? If so that would make it even more feasible.

If you do decide to invade Persia hopefully you whittle them down bigtime before my turnset!

 

[namliaM]

I suggested something a while ago regarding the Greeks.... but did not get an answer....

How about razing a few babylonian citys due SW of Greece and Allow the greeks to Settle it? This would grow back the Mighty Greek empire and make them a contender again for techs and trading.

We could do the same to the Germans, trim them back to their mountain island and have Greeks settle the left open land.

Trimming the Germans would allow the Greeks (atleast) 4 more citys and allow them a connected empire (again)
+ We have not been at war with Germany for a loooooong while

I think I have a craving for some Persian meat

P.S. Remember tho the Dutch have a (more or less) natural thing against the Germans ever since the lost soccer final back in 78-ish

 

[soul_warrior]

go persia, go!
and since i really love Giros, lets add some meat for the greek. best if we can do it in return for the frankfurters.

 

[namliaM]

I have started my turns ....

But I must say that it is not quite going as I had hoped ....

I am at turn 6, its sleepy time now. But will finish my mess tomorrow and leave it for Methos to clean up....

 

[Methos]

But will finish my mess tomorrow and leave it for Methos to clean up....

Uhh ......

 

[Methos]

@namliaM: So did you finish? How did everything turn out?

 

[namliaM]

Preturn:
Wake a whole lot of units
Move units into and around Eridu
Move units to near Sidon
Move a couple of units Near Zohak
Change Ur to Settler
Change WDC to Knight
Upgrade some Spears to Muskets
Will go to war next turn

Buy Printing Press for Spices+19GPT+6g
Try Buying Astronomy from Germany, to expensive for my taste
<Enter>

IT: Persian Knights retreat into Persian lands
Lagash Treb> Cathedral (MM from sea to Hill)
Boston Knight> Knight (Perfect 70 shield @ 14spt = 5 turns Who set that up?)
Persians start Magellan's

1@1060
DoW Persia
Take 2 slaves
4/4 knight Attacks 3/3 Spear in Sidon, Lose 2 HP, Kill Spear
4/4 knight Attacks 3/3 Spear in Sidon, Lose 3 hp (Promote), Kill Spear
4/4 knight Attacks 3/3 Spear in Sidon, Lose 3 HP, Kill Spear => To Keep Sidon or not?
Sidon is only size 2, more to be captured/razed, close to our borders. I think I will keep it
Sidon> Worker
Take 2 more slaves

Take yet another slave
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Longbow, Lose 2 HP, kill Longbow
12 Trebs near Eridu shoot at 2 Knights just outside our borders, take 3+2 HP of them
5/5 Longbow attack 2/4 Knight, Take 1 hp, lose 2 hp, Knight Runs (Coward)
5/5 Horseman attack 1/4 Knight, (Pray a little for a win here) Perfect Victory! He is renamed The Mailguy
Our new leader builds a second Knight army JXL
4/4 Knight Attack 1/4 Knight (the Coward), Perfect again
JXL 12/12 Attack Fortified 4/4 Knight, lose 3 HP, A knight in the army Promotes
Other knight Army 12/12 attack 4/4 Knight, Lose 1 hp
JXL 10/13 Attack 4/4 Knight, Lose 1 hp
Take slave with 11/12 Army
Upgrade 2 Horseman

IT: No! Movement (visible) on Persian side
Quelled resistor in Sidon
WDC Knight> Knight
Detroit Treb> Barracks
Babylon start Magellan's

2@1070
Change Elipi to Courthouse
Upgrade 2 Horses to Knight
Upgrade 3 spears
Change Sumer to Settler
Change Buffalo to Courthouse
Change Umma to Aque
Change Kis to Market
Change Isin to Courthouse
Change Erech to COurthouse

Meanwhile at Zohak:
4/4 Knight attack 4/4 Musket, Lose 1 hp, Kill musket
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 3 HP, Take 1, Flee
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 3 HP, Take 1, Flee
4/4 Knight attack 2/3 Musket, Lose 3 HP, Kill musket
4/4 Knight attack 2/3 Musket, Lose 2 HP, Kill musket => Take Zohak (and 2 more slaves) and keep it!> Worker
a barracks survived! 4 Resistors, we have 4 lux now
Retreat JXL to Eridu to heal
Then near Arbela:
11/12 Army Attack 4/4 Musket, Treb Hits, Kill musket
10/12 Army Attack 4/4 Musket, Longbow Hits, Lose 3 hp, kill Musket
Only 1 knight left movable, wait for next time....

IT:
4/4 Longbow out of Arbela attack our stack, Shot miss, take 1 hp, Kill Our Longbow. Darn Longbow promotes
A bowman jumps out of Mycenae onto the spot I want to go....
2 Knights and a Musket show up SW-SW of SF
Ur Settler> Settler All 10 pop in Ur are Happy
Quelled last resistor in Sidon
Sumer Settler> Settler
Chicago Knight> Courthouse (Chicago@pop 9, 2 waste, 3 corruption)
Resistance in zohak is ended in 1 turn!!! They do riot tho... Create 2 clowns & produce 12 food for 6 pop
Ottoman Start Copernicus

3@1080

4/4 Longbow Attack 4/4 Longbow over a river, Lose 2 HP, Kill Longbow
The skirmish for Arbela continues:
4/4 Longbow sacrefice to 4/4 Musket, Treb hits, Manages to take 2 hp before dying
4/4 Longbow sacrefice to 3/3 Forted Musket, Longbow Hits, Kill Musket Yeah! Longbow
5/5 Longbow Attack 2/4 Musket, Lose 4 hp, Kill musket
5/5 Longbow Attack 4/5 Longbow, Lose 2 hp, Kill Longbow, Raze Arbela (to be rebuild with them settlers)
Capture Treb + Greek slave + 5 additional slaves from the raze.
Retreat 6/12 Army to Eridu
Hmz, the border of Persia expanded when razing Arbela
Change Detroit to Courthouse (At pop7, 1 waste, 3 corruption)
Sidon is about to riot (not connected yet) create a Taxman
Babylonians have nothing much to spare, but buying them into the war on Persia is to costly for my taste. Instead I sign a RoP. They add 1GpT to the deal.
We still have 5 turns on the RoP with Germany

IT:
4/4 Immortal takes 3 Hp of off a knight near Zohak then dies
An Immortal, A spear and a Musket join the party at SF
Babs finish Knights Templar in Izibia
Babylon is straight on moving a settler for the open space
Germans+Ottomans+Koreans+ Switch to Copernicus

4@1090

Clearing SF a little:
2 Trebs out of SF deal 2 damage to a former 3/3 Musket
4/4 Knight Attack 4/4 Knight, Lose 3 Hp, but kill knight
Darn the second knight comes 1 tile to late, park it on the Workers and pray

Mycenae front:
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 3 Hp, Kill musket, promote
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket, Take 2 Hp, Knight dies
Just 2 more Longbows, a new 3/3 musket is now defending. Wait for next turn

On the south front, JXL Heads back into the front lines
4/4 Longbow attacks (stray -I know, I know dont...) 3/3 Musket, Lose 3 hp, kill musket
The rest of the Frontline holds to let the Trebs catch up.

Babylon have Banking

IT:
An immortal from Mycenae kils our wounded 1/4 longbow on the south front
Yet more persians join the party at SF
Knight near SF strikes against the 1/4 knight left there. Our brave soul takes 2 hp off the darn Persian
A Korean galley pops up near Kisurra
Babylon comes knocking for another 20 peace, I cannot seem to renagotiate... I Accept
Atlanta Knight> Knight
Zohak Worker> Worker (MM to have worker in 2 and no extra food)

5@1100
Persians are willing to talk, but are not willing to share anything other than 28g

Near SF:
1 out of 2 trebs hit the Musket
4/4 Knight (out of the 2) Attack the 2/4 Knight, Lose 3 hp, but kill it
4/4 Knight (left of the 2) attack the 2/3 Musket comming from SF (Moving NW-SW-SW-S), Lose 3 hp, take NONE, flee! (Weakling!)
4/4 Knight (Single one) attack the 2/3 Musket comming from SF (Moving SW-NW-S), Lose 3 hp, Kill the musket (finaly)
How are we ever going to keep SF with those 2 weak excuses for knights ???

Shot at Antioch misses

Mycenae:
4/4 MailGuy perfectly strikes down 3/3 Musket
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Die without hope (take 0hp)
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 1 hp, Kill Musket => Raze Myce (no Slave) get 3 slaves for Razing

JXL Kill the Immortal (lose 1 hp)

Sardis (*Docter Who ooo ooo Hey the Tardis* .... Uhms thats something else, keep focussed!)
Treb Misses
4/4 Knight attack 4/4 Musket, Take 1 lose 3 and go and Hide ...
4/4 Knight attack 4/4 Musket, Take 3, but die in the process
4/4 MedInv attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 2, Kill Musket
4/4 MedInv attack 3/4 Musket, Perfectly Kill musket
4/4 Longbow attack 2/5 Musket, Lose 1, Kill musket => Raze Sardis (capture a slave) get 3 more for the raze

IT:
Persians start to show up near Ellipi (N-NW of ... 1 Musket)
and near 3SW of Eridu (also 1 musket)
Immortal jumps out of the black near Former Sardis. The Treb hits, but the Immortal kills our Knight perfectly.
Spear near SF Pillages improvements
Ur Settler> Barracks (In 4)
Sidon Worker (slave)> Aqueduct
Boston Knight> Settler (maxed at 12)
Ottoman finish Leonardo's in Istanbul
Koreans start Sistine Chapel and Copernicus

6@1110

4/4 Knight attack 3/4 Immortal, Lose 3 hp, flee
4/4 Knight attack 3/4 Immortal, Lose 1 hp, Kill Immortal

Antioch:
Treb fail...
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Take 1 hp and die, leaving the Musket to promote
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 2 hp, Kill Musket
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 2 hp, Kill Musket
4/4 Longbow attack 3/4 Musket, Lose 3 hp, Kill Musket => Raze Antioch (capture 2 slaves) get 4 slaves for razing

Maenwhile back home in SF:
2 Trebs take 1 hp off the Spear
5/5 Knight Attack 2/3 spear, Perfect kill => Ack big persian stack on the mountain !!! 2 tiles into Greek land

Finaly JXL (12/13) reaches the Persian capitol, he strikes at a 4/4 Musket
A treb fires but misses (I think) he losses 5! hp Kills the Musket and retreats to heal.

IT: Persians come to meet us, ask peace... But no techs... So no peace I want TECHS
The stack advances on SF
WDC Knight> Knight
Sumer settler (Now down to pop 8)> Cathedral
Zohak worker (slave) > Worker
Babylon start Sistene Chapel
Germans start Sistene Chapel, Copernicus and Completes Copernicus in Frankfurt
Greeks start Sistine
Koreans start Magellans

7@1120
4/5 Knight out of sidon attack 3/3 Immortal, Lose 3 hp and flee...
5/5 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket near Eridu, Lose 4! hp , kill musket

IT: The stack seems not headed for Chicago
Kish Riots DARN, Might be WW... Check everything
Prevent riot in Ghulaman
NY Cathedral> Knight
Agade Cathedral> Knight (in 2!!)
Zohak still riots ?! Did not check good enough? Check everything again
Activity on Babylon border near Eridu, dont trust it...

8@1130
Trebs shoot at Persepolis from the SE
4 hits maks that Perse is atleast defended by 2 3/4 muskets and 2 2/3 musket
4/4 Knight attacks 3/3 Immortal , Lose 2hp & Promote (3/5)

Trebs shoot at Zabalam, 2 out of 3 hit. Zabalam is defended by 2 2/3 Muskets
4/4 Knight Attack 2/3 Musket in Zabalam, Lose 3 hp, Kill Musket
4/4 Knight Attack 2/3 Musket in Zabalam, Perfect kill => Raze Zabalam (Gain 2 slaves)

4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket in Stack near SF, Shot miss, Lose 2 hp, Kill Musket, Back into SF
4/4 Knight attack 4/4 Immortal in stack near SF, Shot miss, Perfect Kill Immortal, Back into SF
4/4 Knight attack 4/4 Immortal in stack near SF, Shot Miss, Lose 1 hp, kill Immortal, Back into SF
5/5 Knight attack 4/4 Immortal in stack near SF, Shot Hits, Take 3 hp, Die
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 spear in stack near SF, Shot Miss, lose 1 hp, Kill spear, Back into SF

Persia will now give Astronomy+4GPT+17g and peace
Or Worker + 23g + 45 GPT

4/4 Longbow Attack 3/4 Musket in Persepolis, Treb shot miss, take 1 hp, die
4/4 KNight Attack 3/4 mustket in Persepolis, Lose 1 hp, Kill musket & Promote
4/4 Longbow Attack 2/3 Mustket in Persepolis, Take 1 hp and die
4/4 Longbow Attack 2/3 Mustket in Persepolis, Perfect kill
4/4 Longbow Attack 2/4 Mustket in Persepolis, Perfect kill
I dont want to make Persia too weak, so i do not take Persepolis... Tho I can...

Errech is about to riot, create a Clown and shortrush the Court to a knight
Shortrush to knight in Buffalo
Shortrush to Lib in StLouis, SF, Umma

IT: 4/4 Immortal vs Knight, shot hits, Immortal Killed (Lost 2 hp)
4/4 Immortal vs Pike, Shot hits, Immortal killed (lost 3 hp)
Babylon trespasses...
Boston Settler>Settler
Houston Aqueduct> Courthouse Put Taxman to work

9@1140 Persia up to Astro + 6GPT + 1g and peace
Demand the Babylons leave Eridu, Oh I forget we have a RoP
4/4 Longbow attack 2/3 Musket, Lose 1 hp, Kill Musket
5/5 Knight out of SF attack 3/3 Musket in smallest of now 3 stacks, Longbow shot miss, lose 4 hp, Kill musket
4/4 Knight out of SF attack 4/4 Longbow in same stack, Shot miss, Kill Longbow, lose 1 hp
Shortrush Knights in Ellipi & Eridu
Shortrush Lib in Sidon

IT:
Perians kill 2 lone longbows 1 near Ergili and the other that killed the musket in turn 9
Ur Barracks> Knight
Atlanta Knight> Cathedral (Atlanta has a Lib? What the ?)
Chicago Courthouse> Cathedral
Koreans build Magellans in Kaesong

10@1150
4/4 Med Inv attack 3/4 Immortal near Ergilli, Lose 1 hp, Kill Immortal
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket in Ergilli, Perfect kill
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket in Ergilli, Lose 3 HP, take 1, flee
4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket in Ergilli, Take 2 hp, die

4/4 Knight attack 3/3 Musket in Bactra, Shot hits, die without taking a single HP

Treb shoot at Persipolis, reveal 2nd defender


4/4 TheMailgay (knight) attack 3/3 Musket in Pasargadae, Die without taking a HP, Musket promotes
4/4 Longbow attack 4/4 Musket, Take 3 hp, Die
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 1 hp, Kill Musket
4/4 Longbow attack 3/3 Musket, Lose 3 hp, Kill Musket, reveal Cavelry!
4/4 Longbow attack 4/4 Cav, Die without taking a single HP
4/4 Longbow attack 4/4 Cav, Die after taking 3 hp, Cav promotes
4/4 Longbow attack 2/5 Cav, Lose 1 hp, Kill cavelry
Pasar down to last defender.

Found Baltimore> Courthouse

It is time for peace now (to let Methos breathe easy)
Peace and get Chem for 356g
Turn around Sell Chem to Korea for Astro+ World map+ Territory map

Create Taxman in Houston, Rush courthouse switch to Market (to get 2 more happy faces)

Reduce lux to 0

Rush courthouse in Erech, Switch to market, Create taxman
Create clown+taxman in Phily 2 food shortage! But Cathedral should be done in 2 turns
Taxman in Isin
Create clown+taxman in Arrakis 0 food, Cathedral done in 2
Create clown+taxman in Ghulaman 0 food, Colosseum done in 5
Create taxman in Houson, Market done in 10
Create taxman in WDC, Switch to Cathedral in 7
Create clown+taxman in Kish, Market done in 6
NY Switch to Colloseum

We are now again at peace with Persia

Keep producing some workers in Zohak to get ride of the Persian people there...

Currently at 396gpt and only 178g in the Kitty (sorry about that)

Pre peace deal

Continue from here (Post peace deal)

 

[soul_warrior]

looks mighty fine mailguy.


ok, looked for a duty roster and couldnt find any.
who up?
masterful scholar? a roster if you will?

 

[Methos]

It is time for peace now (to let Methos breathe easy)

ok, looked for a duty roster and couldnt find any.
who up?

Methos- Up
Bede- On Deck
Soul Warrior
namliaM

Edit: Oh yeah, got it. Will wait until later tonight before I play. I'm extremely tired right now so will play after some sleep. Any suggestions?

 

[Methos]

A knight in the army Promotes

Really? I didn’t realize that units within an army could promote. Good thing to know. Can an elite unit (who hasn’t already created an army) create one that is in an army?

A Korean galley pops up near Kisurra

This sucks as now everyone knows everyone so we no longer are the middleman.

 

[namliaM]

An army cannot create an army/leader IIRC But if you have 3 elites then you obviously have more HP in your army than if you would have an army with just 3 regs.

 

[Methos]

Any suggestions on build preference? Currently I have no clue as to our short-term goals so am building either marketplaces (increased happy faces) or culture (prevent flips-no libs). I'm also just moving troops to cities to fortify and doing some clearing. Other than that I have no idea what to do. I think I'm going to just save the game and stop for now until I hear some sort of plan in mind.

Are we planning on attacking anyone soon? Greeks/Persians? Do I need to build more military? Should troops be placed in specific locations for these goals? Etc.

 

[namliaM]

Plans (i think are)
- Fortify our current situation
- Get some towns up East of WDC
- get Aque/markets/banks/courts/Temples/Cols/Caths/ just about everywhere
- Prepare to "Trim back" Germany a bit, and allow Greece to grow a little.
- Maybe add some Barracks in here or there (Ur and Agade spring to mind)

Offcourse to build banks you must first trade for Banking. If its available at a "reasonable" price

Should be a nice and peacefull set for you methos, Asspecially now Persia is in no position to do anything...

Shouldnt you be out enjoying the fine weather? 30c (90+f for you non-euro-trash ) its going to sizzle today

 

[Methos]

Shouldnt you be out enjoying the fine weather? 30c (90+f for you non-euro-trash ) its going to sizzle today

It's currently 5 AM here so nothing interesting outside. Today is Father's Day here in the States so it's nothing but family dinners later on. Food is always good.