The 12th Planet

[Chukchi Husky]

If we do get away with "Plutonium Fusion," wouldn't the new atom last for only a few micro-nano-seconds, before falling apart? I know that for sure, but would the falling apart release just as much energy, or perhaps even more energy than the energy used to put it together? Or would it fall apart just like a house of cards, releasing no energy at all?

Even if it did release the same amount of energy that you put in, you just wasted trying to fuse the atoms in the first place.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

My question is whether the collapse would result in the release of energy in the first place. That's what I would like to kno.

 

[Perfection]

Sure it would release energy, but it would be less then the amount of energy that you used to fuse it together. The whole thing would need a massive source of energy which you could just as easily use to blow the stuff up in the first place instead of using it to power a generator to power the accelerator to smash the atoms to get the stuff to fuse (which may not even be possible) then somehow move it to the place of the explosion in a very very very very brief timeframe, while maintaining target accuracy and decelerating it at the explosion site. All these steps would require big bulky equipment very near the scene of the explosion, and all this equipmant must be powered in a fraction of a second with much more energy then released in the explosion without blowing up the ship itself.

The idea is stupid, even if you could get plutonium to fuse (which you likely can't) it would require much more energy then it releases.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

Sure it would release energy, but it would be less then the amount of energy that you used to fuse it together. The whole thing would need a massive source of energy which you could just as easily use to blow the stuff up in the first place instead of using it to power a generator to power the accelerator to smash the atoms to get the stuff to fuse (which may not even be possible) then somehow move it to the place of the explosion in a very very very very brief timeframe, while maintaining target accuracy and decelerating it at the explosion site. All these steps would require big bulky equipment very near the scene of the explosion, and all this equipmant must be powered in a fraction of a second with much more energy then released in the explosion without blowing up the ship itself.

The idea is stupid, even if you could get plutonium to fuse (which you likely can't) it would require much more energy then it releases.

Exactly how would the plutonium fusion attempt FAIL? Would the failed attempt result in an explosion?

 

[Perfection]

Exactly how would the plutonium fusion attempt FAIL?

The plutonium doesn't fuse, this is highly likely, considering the difficulty in which much smaller heavy elements are created

Would the failed attempt result in an explosion?

It could, I guess.

Just something else about your idea, to get the destructive power you talk about you'd need to make a huge amount of the stuff, we're talking kilograms of it, that may not seem like much, but in particle accelerator terms it's just about impossible.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

Great! All we need to do now is to build the actual bomb, and see what happens, and learn from it. If the stuff fuses, which is unlikely, no telling what we'll get out of it, but if it doesn't and it explodes, we'll probably get a 200 megaton explosion.

*Ahem* Theoretically that is.

 

[Perfection]

Great! All we need to do now is to build the actual bomb, and see what happens, and learn from it.

Not really, I'd just play with plutonium and a particle accelerator and leave it at that, no need to waste trying to build a destructive weapon that won't work well

If the stuff fuses, which is unlikely, no telling what we'll get out of it,

That's wrong, we know what we'll get out of it, a big unstable atom that will its energy in a fraction of a second and that the energy won't be much more than what you put into it

but if it doesn't and it explodes, we'll probably get a 200 megaton explosion.

I couldn't tell the explosive energy because I have no idea what the hell kind of collision you're using, the amount of substance you're using, the speed of the collision, etc.

*Ahem* Theoretically that is.

Stop saying theoretically, because you're not using any theories to guide your judgement!

 

[stormbind]

None of this is going to matter when Wormwood comes to destroy us.

I thought Wormwood was one of the pupils, not the master.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

@Perfection
We'll just put it in the "Sci-Fi" folder and leave it for the REAL experts to debate it.

Stop saying theoretically, because you're not using any theories to guide your judgement!

Whatever!

 

[Perfection]

@Perfection
We'll just put it in the "Sci-Fi" folder and leave it for the REAL experts to debate it.

You can, but I'm enoug of an expert to know it won't work.

The reason is simple you'd need more energy to create it then it would release (if it worked) this inneficiancy would nulify any advantage gained by using it.

 

[Hygro]

That would be the Nyahahahaha

It would, except then it'd be too nasally. He's not a proper villian yet anyhoo, so I guess in that sense you were right from the onset.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

Sure it would release energy, but it would be less then the amount of energy that you used to fuse it together.

The conservation of energy and matter, I forgot about that, and that no energy transfer is 100% effecient. Basic physics.

 

[Perfection]

The conservation of energy and matter, I forgot about that, and that no energy transfer is 100% effecient. Basic physics.

Precisely! So you'd need to tranfer it to the plutonium then have it spit it back out, this would be an energy inneffecient idea that would provide little bang for big big bucks.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

I've been thinking...

Earlier, I said something about Nibiru coming through the asteroid belt and causing massive destruction on earth by pulling the tides. Now, according to Perfection, Nibiru would need to be a star in order to do that.

I've come up with a logical conclusion that, if Nibiru WAS responsible for Noah's flood, the only way it could have done that was pass real close to an asteroid, and throw it towards earth, where it (the asteroid) then landed in the Indian Ocean, causing a large tsunami to rush towards Mesopotamia.

 

[Perfection]

Well that wouldn't be anywhere near how Noah described it.

Now do you have any evidence for this? Impact craters? Consistant erosion patterns? Atmospheric evidence in ice cores?

I'd like to see a scrap of evidence for that idea. You can speculate all damn day long, but if in the end you have no evidence, I ain't buying it!

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

Read the books. Read "the twelfth planet" and all subsequent books. I don't care what you [expletive deleted] think. If you think that it would be good sci-fi, fine be me.

Still ain't buying it?

*Flips middle finger*
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[Perfection]

Read the books. Read "the twelfth planet" and all subsequent books.

If you've read the books, presumably you could give me some of the evidence it has sited.

I don't care what you [expletive deleted] think.

Yes you do, that's why you brought up this thread, and that's why you swore at me.

If you think that it would be good sci-fi, fine be me.

Not really, it would be much more fantasy then sci-fi, sci-fi (at least real sci-fi) deals with implications of current scientific ideas and plays with future possibilities.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

If you've read the books, presumably you could give me some of the evidence it has sited.

I only read the first one, but it has been a while, so I don't remember much. Gonna need to reread it.

Yes you do, that's why you brought up this thread, and that's why you swore at me.

I posted this thread with good intentions, then YOU had to barge in and ruin it. I still don't care what YOU think. I swore at you because you have pissed me off right from the beginning. Why do you think I requested that you no longer be a nation in the Post Wars? To get you off my back!

Not really, it would be much more fantasy then sci-fi, sci-fi (at least real sci-fi) deals with implications of current scientific ideas and plays with future possibilities.

Fine. Whatever. Read the books if you want more stuff to bash (and I know you just love "debunking hooey."

The books are actually a series of books called "the Earth Chronicles."



Hmm.... Whatever turned you from a well-behaved 5 year old into an evil 19 year old? Too bad my mom doesn't run this forum...

 

[Perfection]

I only read the first one, but it has been a while, so I don't remember much. Gonna need to reread it.

Okay do that and report back, in the meanwhile I'll keep beliving it is hooey

I posted this thread with good intentions, then YOU had to barge in and ruin it.

I'm sorry that I do not support your lame belief system.

I still don't care what YOU think.

Then why do you keep replying

I swore at you because you have pissed me off right from the beginning.

How so?

Why do you think I requested that you no longer be a nation in the Post Wars? To get you off my back!

It's Post Wars, what do you expect! Do you go into a post war and expect peace? I think not!

Fine. Whatever. Read the books if you want more stuff to bash (and I know you just love "debunking hooey."

The books are actually a series of books called "the Earth Chronicles."

Alas I have not the time, however a certain Rob Hafernik has done a pretty good job http://www.skepdic.com/essays/sitchin.htm

Hmm.... Whatever turned you from a well-behaved 5 year old into an evil 19 year old?

Actually I'm 18, and when I was 5 I was not well-behaved.

Anyways, it was a combination of excellent education, good parenting, and damn fine genes.

Too bad my mom doesn't run this forum...

Aww, little PE goes to cry to mommy
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[PlutonianEmpire]

I'm 19, I rarely cry, and never to mommy. Plus, when I casually brought you up in a conversation with my mom, she says that you're a jerk.

And that's why I said what I said "too bad mom doesn't run this forum."