whereas an academy will bring an additional 10.5 (Cahokia is currently generating 15
+ 6 from 2 scientists = 21, so the extra 50% give 10.5) when running 100%. 
Boudi has a settling party in Tolosa (her westernmost city), but she hasn't moved it for several turns. I'm concerned that she might try to settle behind us to the east even if we do settle our blocking city. Any ideas on this? She's out of places to settle on the mainland, I think, although I've found a medium sized island to her W with wheat and stone. No contanct with other AI borders yet.
This is very good. Phant is camped and roaded in Mound, 2 workers start chopping the jungle on the phant to make it a useful tile (2
2
1 ), 1 worker moves 1W to start a farm.
and makes an academy. Time to research currency decreases by 2 turns. I realize that there's no rax in Cahokia, so I insert one ahead of the sword. plains hill. Maintenance skyrockets. WB arrives inside Mesa's borders to work clam once borders pop.
Workers finish chopping jungle in Mound and head to Mesa to chop plains hill forest into pole. left. Boudi's settling party heads back to Tolosa. 
to finish the LH there. Once the rax finishes in Cahokia the sword should be whipped the next turn (it has 14 in it already, which is perfect for a 2 pop whip). The overflow should go into another sword. Both swords should be sent to the barb city.
We got our blocking cities down now, not a lot of time at the moment to post but why is the worker cottaging the dye?
It will give us a 3 tile immediately.
We're not ready now, OFC, but once we get construction... except in Cahokia, and that's not going to change anytime soon. We need workers to alleviate the commerce problem, and PP is pretty well set up as a whipping post to alleviate both problems. By whipping workers into LH, rax, and units and growing back on units, we should be able to get some defenses up and tiles improved. The current worker there can be whipped for max in 4, overflow should finish the LH, grow back on rax until pop 5 or 6, switch to worker, whip, etc. The same is true with Cahokia, at least until we get monarchy. benefit. At some point we should get some settlers up there. Oh well, lots to do, not much to do it with. 2-pop whip.Have you looked at how our maintenance costs have jumped?
water tiles. I think it would be better to skip the sword+rax or at the very least not build anymore military here and go max + using the extra food to spam workers for all our jungle cities. for 6 cities with more cities on the way!!) empire. vs ~330 raw for Paya) Its also good for border cultural battles.
tiles and stagnate on them, then 1 turn prod> whip> regrow. I think we can manage staying on the commerce tiles 90% of the time there while still whipping out military. Also, there's no point in trading for HR if we're not going to produce military police. I don't think PP is going to cut it alone. Growing on farms will be very slow, so any from that city are in our distant future. (especially somewhere other than Cahokia), and competing with an industrious civ (Louis) who prioritizes the aesthetics path. If we're going PH> CoL next, I doubt we'll have much of a chance at it, but we'll see. city atm. since it has lib+academy. cap) city
) when we grow to size 2 for immediate granary whip city, orange has a lot of food, brown also decent and green could have 5 cottages + spice.Good points - have not done the calcs but as long as we keep ahead of the city growth with improvements we should not overproduce workers.
Fair enough - hopefully we can get GSpy #2 this way and then run max GPP and take whatever the RNG gives us!
Seriously, you keep proposing incompatible alternatives. I don't think we have any chance at this, and we have way to many other things to do. If we had 5 forest we could chop into it, then maybe it would make sense. But we don't. What for?
Seems like a real waste of worker turns to me.
So much for your plan to work the commerce tiles.
So much for your plan to work the commerce tiles.
A galley?
could be good too but what about barb galleys (and later the need to reach island city down south?)Actually your way wastes worker turns since no other worker can go to the farm to speed it up without wasting a movement turn. Since we need to connect our cities via road anyway if we road first then another worker can move onto the jungle and help chop/farm...Current worker is farming - why do you want to stop him? That city's going to grow onto a jungle tile if we don't let him keep going. Sure, when he's done he can road the tile. And why exactly do we need "mass worker farming" in a really slow growing pop1 city?
Yeah I just remembered how the granary mechanics work - i.e. only store food overflow every turn not all at once. Lets delay it as you suggest since we can partial build lib till then
Of course - got it
Lets try and stay constructive - archer for CG
The most effective way to deal with barb galleys before triremes are available is fogbusting. A warrior/scout 1SE of the gold near our capital and 1S3SW of the capital should keep us safe. Even if galleys spawn around the island to our south I don't think they'll be able to get around that point SE of the capital - they're too stupid to figure it out (I've seen this many times), We're in no danger in the W - Pacal has cities along that coast which effectively fogbust for us. I agree that barb galleys could be a problem, but galleys are a terrible way of dealing with them - I lose them at least half the time, even when defending on coast. If we actually got some swords up near that barb city they could fogbust the coast there as well. We will need a galley at some point, but is this really the most important thing to be building in PP right now? We can certainly whip one out if a barb shows up, and it won't help us at all on the E coast. A LH will turn the lake into a 32 tile, and give us 2 more on our currently worked tiles immediately. I'd skip the galley for now, but am willing to leave it up to Cripp7. Time to finish farm=12 turns. Time to grow to next pop point=15 turns. Farm then road = 15 turns, road then farm = 15 turns. Why is it so vitally important to you to get that farm finished faster by adding another worker? We don't need to improve tiles faster than the city can work them. That would, indeed, be wasting worker turns. Mound is never going to be a fast growing city, even if you could magically put 12 workers on every irrigable tile and convert them instantly to farms. I am genuinely confused with your comments about this city. Please tell me how you would have done it to get the city growing faster, given the constraints we have with out current corps of workers and new cities. The elephant tile was urgently needed for since we had to go NSR. The quickest way to hook it up was to road from the existing road to the spicy clam spot. We had 3 available workers and all of them were used - 1 built a camp while 2 roaded, and both were done on the same turn. This jungle was chopped on the phant because it was the best tile to improve, the workers were there already, and it would get us a grainery faster (9 turns from now), which will do more to speed up that city's growth than anything else we could do. 2 of the workers had to leave immediately to work on our new cities. The only other free worker was sent to the dye to build a cottage for 2 reasons: it's the best tile to improve in Chaco (gives 32 immediately), and it's the best tile to road on the way to Mound once the cottage is built. The best subsequent tile improvement for Mound is a farm, and the current tile was chosen for 3 reasons: it was an adjacent tile so only 1 turn of worker movement would be lost getting there, it was on the north side of the city which we want to remove jungle tiles from first in case of a war, and it was adjacent to the city tile so that a road connection could be established once the tile was farmed. Please tell me what you would have done differently that would have been better.Sorry for not being clear but I'd assumed we complete the half done LH (which won't take long with whip overflow) and was referring to the build after that.A LH will turn the lake into a 3
