The Cold War Deluxe; 1950-1991

vingrjoe said:
I'm trying to use Civ3Multitool to export the savegame to a biq, but get all these errors. I would like to be able to see what's going on in this map. I might just give up, unless someone can point me to better savegame editor.
vingrjoe,

i'm not certain why it is locking down like that. i've never used the savegame editors before so i can't say...
 
From what I could open in the C3MT savegame, it looks like there is 5,935 units by the list it gives.
 
vingrjoe said:
From what I could open in the C3MT savegame, it looks like there is 5,935 units by the list it gives.
not that i don't beleive you but that sounds awfully high :scan:
 
I may not of did it right, but under 'units' in the C3MT savegame editor, it shows line #s with the first one starting at zero and followed by the unit name.
 
vingrjoe said:
I may not of did it right, but under 'units' in the C3MT savegame editor, it shows line #s with the first one starting at zero and followed by the unit name.

Can you fire off the saved game, one turn before it locked, To El Justo, and he can foward it to me?

thanks
 
Only thing I had was an autosave, which got deleted when I was fiddling with C3MT.
 
I_batman said:
Hi psweetman, you were asking about the special forces units and their strength a couple posts ago. Not sure you got an answer already, but yeah, they are pretty weak. But they do have a couple advantages which make them useful.
1. They treat all terrain as grassland, so they can move through forests, hills and mountains without impedence.
2. They can see an extra tile like spies and armies.

Both these things make them great for recon and messing up roads and rail lines.
Granted, they have a really high mortality rate after that, but they are a thing of beauty in mountains, as long as they don't get bombed to death.
I also use them against really low end defensive units like artillery and paramilitary units, instead of wasting a heavy armour movement.

I hadn't thought of using them for recon, thanks. Using them to mess up roads, ect, is also a good idea. I'll just ship them to Germany and see what they can do in the Ukraine now. :D

@El Justo: The Scandinavians trekked overland to Korea. I had several infantry in Southern Scandinavia as a delaying force against the WP when war should break out, and I saw them with my troops' own eyes, just went right across Russia. I think they had a ROP, because when WWIV touched off, they still had units in the middle of their territory. Stupid AI. :crazyeye:

@vingrjoe: Didn't El Justo mention something pages and pages back about the game freezing when the AI tried to load an immobile unit into a transport or something like that? That might be the problem.
 
February 1964

*Newsflash*

After a month of gruelling urban fighting Australian troops have finally captured Soviet-occupied Pyongyang. Supported by an intensive and devastating aerial bombardment, conducted by elements of the USAF SAC and US Navy, the Australian North Asia Task Force (ANATF) announced it had secured central Pyongyang.

The ANATF, comprising the Centurion-equipped 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments, an M113-equipped Light Horse Regiment and a regular infantry battalion, made an uncontested amphibious landing on North Korean shores at the start of February. After softening by US aircraft and navalised F6 Lightnings flown off HMAS Melbourne, the Australian task force made a coordinated dawn assault on Soviet positions. In fighting on the outskirts of Pyongyang the 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments defeated at least 2 regiments of entrenched Soviet T-55s. Following the armoured attack, Australian Light Horse and infantry moved into the centre of the city, meeting little further resistance. Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion, RAR raised the Australian, US and UN flags over the Politburo building.

Immediate counter-attacks by approximately 2 regiments of veteran T-55s led to the decimation of the already under strength 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments, but despite their severe losses the Aussie armour held the Soviets off. In a desperate last gamble the Soviets threw an entire Corps of WW2-era T-34s at Pyongyang, led by the redoubtable Marshal Abramovich. Abramovich’s assault resulted in the final destruction of Australian armoured forces and penetrated within 2 kilometres of the city’s centre. Fierce fighting by elements of the Light Horse and regular infantry led to a retreat by Abramovich’s troops. Forward Air Controllers with the ANATF called in immediate air support from US Navy Skyraiders whose intervention led to the destruction of the Soviet Corps in the “Pyongyang Pocket”.

In a high-risk operation, Australia has ferried 4 RAAF Canberra-equipped squadrons into Pyongyang and is preparing them to fly close air support missions. No. 805 Naval Air Squadron, flying its navalised F6 Lightnings has also flown into Pyongyang to provide air superiority over the city. Despite flank support from US Marines and elements of US armour, the Australian position in Pyongyang remains precarious. Additional counter-attacks from Soviet forces are expected at any time.

Prime Minister Menzies, in a press conference today, stated: “Australian troops have accomplished the impossible and taken Pyongyang. Casualties are high but Major General Roberts informs me the position is tenable and defences are being improved hourly. The RAAF are preparing to fly close air support missions from the city. I have asked the Chief of Staff to prepare plans for immediate reinforcement of Pyongyang and remain confident that our troops, with American support, will prevail. We hope the loss of Pyongyang will finally bring the Soviets to the bargaining table.”
 
psweetman1590 said:
I hadn't thought of using them for recon, thanks. Using them to mess up roads, ect, is also a good idea. I'll just ship them to Germany and see what they can do in the Ukraine now. :D

@El Justo: The Scandinavians trekked overland to Korea. I had several infantry in Southern Scandinavia as a delaying force against the WP when war should break out, and I saw them with my troops' own eyes, just went right across Russia. I think they had a ROP, because when WWIV touched off, they still had units in the middle of their territory. Stupid AI. :crazyeye:

@vingrjoe: Didn't El Justo mention something pages and pages back about the game freezing when the AI tried to load an immobile unit into a transport or something like that? That might be the problem.
psweetman1590,

yeah, i've seen the ai do silly things like trek all the way across 2 continents. it's crazy.

you raise a good point about the 'immobile units trying to load' thingie. i forgot all about it actually.
 
Aardvark Fury said:
February 1964

*Newsflash*

After a month of gruelling urban fighting Australian troops have finally captured Soviet-occupied Pyongyang. Supported by an intensive and devastating aerial bombardment, conducted by elements of the USAF SAC and US Navy, the Australian North Asia Task Force (ANATF) announced it had secured central Pyongyang.

The ANATF, comprising the Centurion-equipped 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments, an M113-equipped Light Horse Regiment and a regular infantry battalion, made an uncontested amphibious landing on North Korean shores at the start of February. After softening by US aircraft and navalised F6 Lightnings flown off HMAS Melbourne, the Australian task force made a coordinated dawn assault on Soviet positions. In fighting on the outskirts of Pyongyang the 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments defeated at least 2 regiments of entrenched Soviet T-55s. Following the armoured attack, Australian Light Horse and infantry moved into the centre of the city, meeting little further resistance. Soldiers of the 3rd Battalion, RAR raised the Australian, US and UN flags over the Politburo building.

Immediate counter-attacks by approximately 2 regiments of veteran T-55s led to the decimation of the already under strength 1st and 2nd Armoured Regiments, but despite their severe losses the Aussie armour held the Soviets off. In a desperate last gamble the Soviets threw an entire Corps of WW2-era T-34s at Pyongyang, led by the redoubtable Marshal Abramovich. Abramovich’s assault resulted in the final destruction of Australian armoured forces and penetrated within 2 kilometres of the city’s centre. Fierce fighting by elements of the Light Horse and regular infantry led to a retreat by Abramovich’s troops. Forward Air Controllers with the ANATF called in immediate air support from US Navy Skyraiders whose intervention led to the destruction of the Soviet Corps in the “Pyongyang Pocket”.

In a high-risk operation, Australia has ferried 4 RAAF Canberra-equipped squadrons into Pyongyang and is preparing them to fly close air support missions. No. 805 Naval Air Squadron, flying its navalised F6 Lightnings has also flown into Pyongyang to provide air superiority over the city. Despite flank support from US Marines and elements of US armour, the Australian position in Pyongyang remains precarious. Additional counter-attacks from Soviet forces are expected at any time.

Prime Minister Menzies, in a press conference today, stated: “Australian troops have accomplished the impossible and taken Pyongyang. Casualties are high but Major General Roberts informs me the position is tenable and defences are being improved hourly. The RAAF are preparing to fly close air support missions from the city. I have asked the Chief of Staff to prepare plans for immediate reinforcement of Pyongyang and remain confident that our troops, with American support, will prevail. We hope the loss of Pyongyang will finally bring the Soviets to the bargaining table.”
excellent report Aardvark Fury. you've made the Aussie Empire happy!

so, the AI US position actually assisted you in your korean adventures? if so, this is good news.

it is also good to see that the AI soviets are smart enough to load the right offensive units into the Corps units. i've actaully seen alot of this 'smart' loading by the ai in v1.5

keep it coming! :goodjob:
 
Quite a fantastic scenario. I'm playing with my country (Brazil), and I'm teaching to Argentines who are the rightful masters of South America :) . Also, it was nice to watch the strategic bombers of our allies dropping their ordinance over Buenos Aires.

However I've got some suggestions (I don't know if they will be useful, but that's my contribution):

Instead of being able to make the T-55 and the BTR-60, we should get the M48 and the M113 which have actually been used by the Brazilian Army. Still about tanks, we should also get the M60 and Leopard 1, but not the Osório because it has never been mass-produced. Engesa, which designed Osório, went bankrupt after the Saudis cancelled their order and after our government slashed the military budget. The two remaining prototypes belong to the Army now.


Osório

About fighter aircraft: it should be something like this: P-47 (correct), Meteor (correct), F5 Tiger II and Mirage 3. But I understand that we might have been given Super Sabres due to game balance issues.

About the Navy: we have never had two aircraft carriers operational at the same time. But this may also be related to game balance, I don't know. One interesting thing is the nuclear submarine project which begun in the early 80's and has remained almost in a stand still since the early 90's. Maybe this could be added, though I wouldn't recomend it.
 
Band said:
Quite a fantastic scenario. I'm playing with my country (Brazil), and I'm teaching to Argentines who are the rightful masters of South America :) . Also, it was nice to watch the strategic bombers of our allies dropping their ordinance over Buenos Aires.

However I've got some suggestions (I don't know if they will be useful, but that's my contribution):

Instead of being able to make the T-55 and the BTR-60, we should get the M48 and the M113 which have actually been used by the Brazilian Army. Still about tanks, we should also get the M60 and Leopard 1, but not the Osório because it has never been mass-produced. Engesa, which designed Osório, went bankrupt after the Saudis cancelled their order and after our government slashed the military budget. The two remaining prototypes belong to the Army now.


Osório

About fighter aircraft: it should be something like this: P-47 (correct), Meteor (correct), F5 Tiger II and Mirage 3. But I understand that we might have been given Super Sabres due to game balance issues.

About the Navy: we have never had two aircraft carriers operational at the same time. But this may also be related to game balance, I don't know. One interesting thing is the nuclear submarine project which begun in the early 80's and has remained almost in a stand still since the early 90's. Maybe this could be added, though I wouldn't recomend it.
hi Band.

thanks for the nice remarks.

i don't recall exactly why we gave Brazil the soviet hardware and not the yankee stuff. there was probably one reason or another though i s'pose we can re-examine it.

i remember reading info about Engesa and how they went belly-up after the cancellation of the contracts. i guess we put in the flavor hardware just to add some spice though we'd gladly re-examine this as well for any future versions.

no f5 tigers in TCW iirc though Brazil could get the mirageIII instead of the super sabre.

RE the carriers:
i pre-placed them simply b/c i didn't want this civi to build them but at the same time, i wanted them to have access to them by the mid-point of the scenario.

welcome to CFC!
 
September 1955:
There was trouble in the Bundestag concerning the war. Some pacifists, including minister Heinemann, threatened to go with the KPD if following this war course, luckily they are among the minority. Even the SPD under Kurt Schumacher follows me in this decision. Also the federal constitutional court just prohibited the KPD, so this 5th column of Stalin is history. The majority become even stronger after Berlin was liberated.
The war turned out to become interesting. Vice Admiral Friedrich Ruge, CiC of the German Bundesmarine, ordered the Uboats Hai and Hecht to scout. 2 Soviet DDs were spotted but one sunk by a Norwegian submarine which was also sunk by the other DD. However 66!!!) Whiskey class subs appeared. So the admiral decided to make hit and run tactics. Attack and retreat since the speed of the Whiskeys is bad. On this way Hai and Hecht attacked this turn and rune with the rest of the fleet. 2 Soviet subs are sunk without being hit. My DE gave Z 1 escort duties for a time but the damaged destroyer arrived Copenhagen safety, where Z 8 is repairing. Then they united with the newly built Z 9 on the way to the rest of the fleet 2 tiles NE of Trondheim. Only U 1, which followed 2 Soviet CL shortly before the outbreak of the war, and the damaged ships are not in action.
Britain declared war on China. Arabs made peace with China. Soviets bomb Berlin. A F 104 Starfighter is heavilied damaged there and has to be replaced. A Soviet bomber was shot down by FlaK, which I will strengenth there by stationing more Flak there. 64 Soviet SS and a destroyer are just there where I expected them. I will have to fight and retreat.

October:
6 M 48 and a Panther are operational to attack. My next targets will be Warsaw and Kiev. Kiev is even a bit more important. A Corps appeared after my elite M 49 attacked Kiev! And Kiev falls with no own losses. Now I have to support Defense minister Strauß for his demanding of nuclear weapon. I will now rest and only concentrate on the naval war but also consolidate my lines.
At sea the Prinz Eugen sunk her 2nd DD without being hit. The fleet attacks the Soviet subs. U 2 is promoted to Elite. At the end of the turn 15 enemy subs and a DD are on eternal patrol. However SS Hecht and DDs Z 7 and Z 9 have to leave the fleet because of severe damages. Therefore Z 8 and the DE joined the fleet.
A Soviet IS 3 is destroyed after a tough fight at the attempt to recapture Kiev.

November:
Warsaw falls with no losses! A Russian MiG 17 is downed by a Starfighter over Warsaw. The airfield near Warsaw is bombed with artillery and then taken with infantry.
At sea the fight is tough. My fleet attacks and attacks the huge stack. However only 31 Russian subs are still existing. However this time a couple of ships were damaged and detached to go home for repair: Z 4, Z 5 (elite now), Z 8, DE Scharnhorst, Scheer, Raule, Brommy, U 1, Hai. Again I moved three tiles. This goes very well.

December:
Nearly only sea battles, since most of my tanks are damaged and need to repair. The Soviet submarine number has decreased to 19. However Z 2, Z 3 (elite now), Z 6, DE Gneisenau and U 3 have to leave the fleet to go to repair. Therefore Z 1 returned to the fleet. Also I misclicked an my carrier got the order to attack. It seems to be I was lucky: Karel Doormann is now elite without being hit! I did not use the plane on my carrier as damaged boats would return without the possibility to catch them.

To be continued


Adler

P.S.: I used in my text names I should perhaps explain:

General Rainhard Gehlen: Chief of the organisation Fremde Heere Ost, a secret service within the German army during ww2. Later he lead the organisation Gehlen, a following organisation under US control, until he became the first leader of the BND, the German foreign secret service.

Friedrich Ruge: German Vice Admiral and first CiC of the German Federal Navy.

Josef Strauß: Bavarian prime minister and earlier minister for defense. He wanted to introduce nuclear weapons for the Bundeswehr and later had to retreat because of the Spiegel affair. In the Kiesinger government he was minister for Finances and after that Bavarian prime minister.

Kurt Schumacher: Head of the SPD and first opposition leader. He lost to Adenauer with one vote in the elections in the Bundestag. He died in 1952.

Adler
 
About the game freezing because the AI tries loading immovable units, have you tried making those units unloadable? Maybe you already did that but it didn't help. But if not, I suggest you try that.
 
January 1956:
I could conquer Tallin with the loss of 1 M 48. I had formed a tank corps of Panther before.
At sea heavy fights off Iceland. However, only 13 enemy subs remaining. Therefore only Prinz Eugen, Karel Doormann, Wilhelm Bauer, Z 1 and U 2 are still there. The other units are repairing resp. are on the way to repair.
The Soviets don´t do much. But a Whiskey finds the damaged DE Hipper on the way to the Irish sea and sinks it. Therefore U 4 will sink it next turn and then try to go to the next port through the North sea. I will sink as many enemy subs of the first stack as possible but then return home to reformate. I wont send a new stack to my fleet. The way is too long now.

Adler
 
IroquoisPlisken said:
About the game freezing because the AI tries loading immovable units, have you tried making those units unloadable? Maybe you already did that but it didn't help. But if not, I suggest you try that.
i did consider this but it ruins the 'AI Behaviour' (ie the 'Offense' and 'Defense' flags, etc).

the best option is to remove the 'immobile' flag altogether.
 
Adler17 said:
However 66!!!) Whiskey class subs appeared
:eek: :eek: :eek:

well done Adler. those were very interesting reports.

we'd love to see you get further along in the game as we've never taken the WG/LL position too far past the 1st era or so.
 
U.S.A. on Monarch, continued from post #1982:

Sep. 1952 (cont.) - Espionage is learned, and the B-52 Bomber Plant is finished in Seattle.
Copenhagen is attacked again, but holds out.
4 Central African Infantry appear south of Rabat.

Oct. 1952 – Kill the 4 Central African divisions. Move an Airborne Infantry to block Soviet tanks from attacking Copenhagen.

Nov. 1952 – Send more troops to North Africa, and some troops to Europe to help West Germany out.

Dec. 1952 – An assault on Khabarovsk is attempted, but fails. Both sides lost about 3 untis, but Khabarovsk still has a 4/8 Infantry.

Jan. 1953 – The Intelligence Agency is completed in Washington. AND the Mainframe Computer Plant is completed in Chicago.

Feb. 1953 – Land units in France to help take back Kiel. In Africa, one lone Pershing takes out two Central African Infantry.

Spies are successfully planted in North Africa, WP, and Central Africa, but Arab League remains spyless.

Two Soviet tanks (one an IS3, one…something else) attack and kill the Airborne Infantry Division I had blocking the path to Copenhagen. A Soviet Infantry attacks and kills an Infantry Division by Khabarovsk, but is redlined. For some reason, the Soviets also move a Flak out of the city. :confused:

Mar. 1953 – An investigation of Algiers reveals that it is defended by 2 BTRs and 4 Infantry (two 4 hp, two 2 hp). After bombardment, one Pershing is lost in the attack, but Algiers is captured.
An investigation of Kiel reveals it is protected by a BTR and a T-34. Lose a Pershing, but capture the city. Now, should this be returned to WG? Perhaps after the war, but American officials feel WP would quickly retake it if given back now.
An investigation of Khabarovsk reveals 2 full health infantry and the redlined one. I have just one full health infantry to attack the city. However, the constant bombings have destroyed all improvements except for a utilities plant in the cities, so it will be a few turns before that infantry is fully healed. And I have 3 Pershings arriving in Vladivostok this turn. I have a feeling one of my “Allies” will be making peace within a turn or two, however.

A spy is successfully planted in India, but the Arab League again catches our spy.

North Africa and the rest of NATO sign peace. Arab League requests peace. I decline. South Africa and WP sign peace… -_-

Apr. 1953 – The Soviets have forces on a VP by Kiel, but they won’t move them when asked. They ask me to move MY ships out of Soviet waters, though. I won’t forget this, Stalin. :mad:
To teach Stalin a lesson, I perform a spy mission on him (her?). It’s successful! America now has television!

Jun. 1953 – The Golden Age of America has ended. Even though we’re just going to keep getting stronger and stronger.

Jul. 1953 – A spy fails to infiltrate China without being noticed. However, the U.S. spy in Central Africa manages to steal Naval Warfare.

Sep. 1953 – After yet another failed attempt at planting a spy in Arab League, they declare war on us! :mischief:

Oct. 1953 – I capture my first Soviet worker with a CIA Operative! Sneaky. :D Now I can finally clean up that pollution by Kiel. A spy is also successfully planted in Argentina, who I just realized was not allied with NATO.
 
February 1956:
The battle of the Atlantic nears the end. I sank 57 Whiskeys of the original stack plus two others which followed. But I am near the US coast now and have to go home to repair my ships and to bring them into safetyness. They are too valuable to risk them. Anyway this battle was a great success of my fleet. But I see that I have to build more ships to cope with the Soviet thread. This time an invasion of Africa is not so easy like the last time.
On the continent the invading Russian unit, BTR 152, is destroyed as well as a Soviet VP position. However Spanish soldiers are near so I let them the honour to take (and die for) the VP position.

Adler
 
March:
I take Odessa after bombing the heavily defended town. No losses. But a corps is something fine... ;).
Nothing happens at the sea fight except my retreating. 9 Soviet subs reach the US. But I can´t do everything for the US navy. They should have also a bit fun.
The Soviets attack the Spanish. They are defending brave but poitless. However they are able to kill 2 IS 3 and an infantry. Also the French lose an infantry. But then: Greece made peace with the Soviets.
Now I will heal my units and prepare for ww4. I come back if ww 4 begins.

Adler
 
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