The Cold War Deluxe; 1950-1991

[Red Door]

does anybody else have the problem where the date is Dec. (no year) the whole game. I'm at least to 1953 and it still says the date is Dec. (no year). It might be a game bug and not a scenario bug because the date hasn't been working for King Arthur's Escape from Zombie Island 2 either.

 

[Gunner]

You need to get conquests patch version 1.22

 

[Red Door]

ok thanks.

 

[vingrjoe]

Play Report: Soviets, demigod level and maximum aggression.

My last report left off with peace declared in Oct. 1969.

Sept. 1970: The country is enjoying these years of peace. It gives us plenty of time to get our industries up to speed. The KGB's foreign worker recruitment initiative is having excellent results ! Three West German and two Scandinavian workers are forced... er, convinced to join the USSR. The Airforce is very happy as they are getting increased numbers of MiG-23s.

Oct 1970: Glorious day ! The Red Army takes delivery of it's first T-72 MBTs !

Dec 1970: The USA looks to us for aid. Hah ! Those capitalist pigs. I shall give it to them for now, buying time is seen as a good investment at this moment by my generals.

Jun 1971: Naval architects come up with new, more powerful surface vessel designs. These include the Kirov class battlecruiser, the Slava class missile cruiser and the Udaloy class missile destroyer. I am very impressed with these proposed ships. The burea of naval R&D has convinced me to give the navy more funding ! With these powerful ships, we will sink the US Navy carriers and squash their sub forces !

Aug 1971: The airforce took delivery of the first Hind attack helicopters.
SE Asia has overrun Vietnam and setup a puppet government.

Sept 1971: Foreign armored and mech units are within the country's borders, I do not recall signing any RoP agreements with those smelly peasants !

Oct 1971: We are tracking several Iberian armored divisions. Oddly, they are headed into Siberia. Do they not know where they are going ?
I have had enough of the Scandinavian forces exercising an unsigned, fictional RoP, I tell them to leave at once ! Showing their true ambitions, the Scandinavians declare war upon Mother Russia. For this grave insult, they lose three mech inf divisions, two armored divisions and one inf divison. The arrogant fools pushed so far into Soviet territory, they had no aircover and the mighty Red airforce got to flex it's regained muscle !

Nov 1971: Scandinavian forces are further depleted of one mech inf division and one armored division.
The airforce is having a field day. Several Scandinavian Fighter/bombers are shot down trying to attack my Rocket Artillery Divisions.

Jan 1972: The USA attacks our comrades in Central Africa, causing an unwanted war with the US government. The USA wastes no time and has penetrated our southern border near the city of Ashgabat. Italy, feeling strong, only because it is allies with that wretched US, attacks Central Africa as well. My Northern Fleet Admirals have informed me that two Scandinavian subs have been sunk in the Barents Sea. Recon patrols have spotted two Italian tank divisions near Yaroslavl.
The only good news this month is the first of the Kirov class battlecruisers has been comissioned in Vladivostock Naval Shipyard. Sadly, we don't have any surface assests in the Pacific to escort this great warship. He will stay in
port until sufficeint escorts can be procured.

Feb 1972: Indonesia, under pressure from their American allies, declares war upon Central Africa. I have an uneasy feeling about all of this, another world war is looming in the horizon. The Iberians attack the Arab league.

March 1972: Iberian armor and infantry approach Berlin. Through the use of combined arms, the Iberian force of five tank divisions, 2 Mech Inf Divisions and one inf division are destroyed.
Northern Fleet HQ has informed me that one scandinavian destroyer and one transport have been sunk in the Barents Sea, in an apparent amphibious attack.
The UK has joined it's allies in the war with Central Africa. Four RAF Vulcan bombers are intercepted in an attempt on the Northern Fleet. Two bombers are shot down and two flee. The Naval air station reports two of our intercepters were destroyed in the attack.

April 1972: Northern fleet has destroyed another Scandinavian destroyer and transport. Moral in the navy has increased due to the recent successes ! I have ordered the airforce to attack the American invasion force SE of Gurjev.
Bear and Backfire bombers have great success in damaging the US Army's troops.
The Americans have brought Cuba to it's knees and setup a Democratic government there. It has been reported my long time comrade, Castro is dead. So long, my good friend.
It appears World War three has begun...

 

[El Justo]

Play Report: Soviets, demigod level and maximum aggression.

My last report left off with peace declared in Oct. 1969.

Sept. 1970: The country is enjoying these years of peace. It gives us plenty of time to get our industries up to speed. The KGB's foreign worker recruitment initiative is having excellent results ! Three West German and two Scandinavian workers are forced... er, convinced to join the USSR. The Airforce is very happy as they are getting increased numbers of MiG-23s.

Oct 1970: Glorious day ! The Red Army takes delivery of it's first T-72 MBTs !

Dec 1970: The USA looks to us for aid. Hah ! Those capitalist pigs. I shall give it to them for now, buying time is seen as a good investment at this moment by my generals.

Jun 1971: Naval architects come up with new, more powerful surface vessel designs. These include the Kirov class battlecruiser, the Slava class missile cruiser and the Udaloy class missile destroyer. I am very impressed with these proposed ships. The burea of naval R&D has convinced me to give the navy more funding ! With these powerful ships, we will sink the US Navy carriers and squash their sub forces !

Aug 1971: The airforce took delivery of the first Hind attack helicopters.
SE Asia has overrun Vietnam and setup a puppet government.

Sept 1971: Foreign armored and mech units are within the country's borders, I do not recall signing any RoP agreements with those smelly peasants !

Oct 1971: We are tracking several Iberian armored divisions. Oddly, they are headed into Siberia. Do they not know where they are going ?
I have had enough of the Scandinavian forces exercising an unsigned, fictional RoP, I tell them to leave at once ! Showing their true ambitions, the Scandinavians declare war upon Mother Russia. For this grave insult, they lose three mech inf divisions, two armored divisions and one inf divison. The arrogant fools pushed so far into Soviet territory, they had no aircover and the mighty Red airforce got to flex it's regained muscle !

Nov 1971: Scandinavian forces are further depleted of one mech inf division and one armored division.
The airforce is having a field day. Several Scandinavian Fighter/bombers are shot down trying to attack my Rocket Artillery Divisions.

Jan 1972: The USA attacks our comrades in Central Africa, causing an unwanted war with the US government. The USA wastes no time and has penetrated our southern border near the city of Ashgabat. Italy, feeling strong, only because it is allies with that wretched US, attacks Central Africa as well. My Northern Fleet Admirals have informed me that two Scandinavian subs have been sunk in the Barents Sea. Recon patrols have spotted two Italian tank divisions near Yaroslavl.
The only good news this month is the first of the Kirov class battlecruisers has been comissioned in Vladivostock Naval Shipyard. Sadly, we don't have any surface assests in the Pacific to escort this great warship. He will stay in
port until sufficeint escorts can be procured.

Feb 1972: Indonesia, under pressure from their American allies, declares war upon Central Africa. I have an uneasy feeling about all of this, another world war is looming in the horizon. The Iberians attack the Arab league.

March 1972: Iberian armor and infantry approach Berlin. Through the use of combined arms, the Iberian force of five tank divisions, 2 Mech Inf Divisions and one inf division are destroyed.
Northern Fleet HQ has informed me that one scandinavian destroyer and one transport have been sunk in the Barents Sea, in an apparent amphibious attack.
The UK has joined it's allies in the war with Central Africa. Four RAF Vulcan bombers are intercepted in an attempt on the Northern Fleet. Two bombers are shot down and two flee. The Naval air station reports two of our intercepters were destroyed in the attack.

April 1972: Northern fleet has destroyed another Scandinavian destroyer and transport. Moral in the navy has increased due to the recent successes ! I have ordered the airforce to attack the American invasion force SE of Gurjev.
Bear and Backfire bombers have great success in damaging the US Army's troops.
The Americans have brought Cuba to it's knees and setup a Democratic government there. It has been reported my long time comrade, Castro is dead. So long, my good friend.
It appears World War three has begun...

ha, ha! well done vingrjoe!

it seems you have beefed up the Red Navy. i guess you'll get to see all of your fine work in motion and in numbers!

it's also good to see that the AI forces are at least showing up

good riddance Fidel!

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

IroquoisPlisken,

i have an even easier and cleaner way for you to do that.

delete the Terrain folder inside of the large TCW folder. this way, the game engine will look for your default Terrain gfx (presumably sn00py's + Pounder).

you can make backup copies of your Terrain folders, too, if that makes you feel safer.

You were right, that was very easy. I saved the Watercolor terrain, since I may want to go back to it someday.

 

[I_batman]

Yes I have factories going in every city. I still find it hard to produce things. However I'm feeling happy at the moment, as I just commisioned my 4th sub! Those damn yanks won't know what hit them!

Hi Nivekclough:

One thing to keep in mind that all civ's are certainly not created equal in this scenario.
Cuba as a position, that frankly, sucks, but that is the beauty of playing it. Consider this is a very poor country, that has a giant just north of it that could crush it, at the expense of starting WWIII. Its production is low, and has always been that way.

So I would say you are doing just fine, and we could not tweak the stats for the Mig, because then WP would be pumping out way too many of them.

Cuba is one of the small civ's that El Justo, Klyden, and I have been talking about developing house rules Vicory Conditions for.
I think you put out some pretty ambitious conditions yourself a few pages back in posts.

As the posts roll in for the different civ's, we will develop victory conditions, to keep all the postions entertaining to play.

I am testing the huge map bic for El Justo now, so haven't been playing the current 1.5, but I can tell you if you want to try a scary position after Cuba, try Israel. I play tested that one, and you can have a lot of fun with that one.

 

[El Justo]

You were right, that was very easy. I saved the Watercolor terrain, since I may want to go back to it someday.

IroquoisPlisken,

good. glad to see it was a snap. keep in mind though that the TCW Terrain folder contains modifications to the RR tiles, irrigation, mines, and fortresses/barricades. iow, it's sort of like a modern-day terrain pack.

 

[I_batman]

Play Report: Soviets, demigod level and maximum aggression.


Oct 1971: We are tracking several Iberian armored divisions. Oddly, they are headed into Siberia. Do they not know where they are going ?

VingRJoe, I think I know what they are doing, and I am not sure how to stop it, outside of really cranking up the culture in the WP northern cities.
The AI will at some time set up a barbarian camp north of Yakustk.

Now, immediately, half a dozen different civs will send out most of their land forces completely across Siberia to wipe out this camp.
Very dumb AI. It does skew the game.

El Justo, I would suggest we somehow crank up the the culture on the WP Siberian cities so all of the WP land mass is covered by the culture of WP so the program can't park a barbarian encampment there.
Same goes for US/Canada in the Yukon/NWT/Alaska area, and Central Africa.

 

[silver 2039]

VingRJoe, I think I know what they are doing, and I am not sure how to stop it, outside of really cranking up the culture in the WP northern cities.
The AI will at some time set up a barbarian camp north of Yakustk.

Now, immediately, half a dozen different civs will send out most of their land forces completely across Siberia to wipe out this camp.
Very dumb AI. It does skew the game.

El Justo, I would suggest we somehow crank up the the culture on the WP Siberian cities so all of the WP land mass is covered by the culture of WP so the program can't park a barbarian encampment there.
Same goes for US/Canada in the Yukon/NWT/Alaska area, and Central Africa.

I tried to crank up the culture there. I does'nt cover all areas so just add a city or two and max culture for that should work.

 

[nivekclough]

So I would say you are doing just fine, and we could not tweak the stats for the Mig, because then WP would be pumping out way too many of them.

I meant create a variant, like a MiG 15-Cuba or something. Keep the stats and make it cost slightly less. While I do enjoy playing as a small insignificant nothing, the position does need a little tweaking. Since they have such low production power, they should be (slightly) compensated in the beginning. As it is, the Central Americans can overrun them, without even being aidded by America.

I ran a quick playtest of this, declaring war on them out of curiousity sake in Jan. 1960. Their bombers killed tons of my troops and waisted my infastructure. Then they landed with a stack of 40 troops (mostly infantry with a couple tanks). It is important to note the Americans were never spotted in this war, and the only other who showed up were the Brazilians with 2 infantry. My entire empire was gone in 4 turns. I had 5 Cuban infantry in each city, (except Cienfuegos which had 3 and one army). Each city had 2 MiGs and one flak, except Santiago which had 2 flaks and one MiG. If the Central Americans can do this... I was downright amazed. I never expected them to have such a powerful force. That is why I set the previous goals.

So either Cuba needs to be slightly helped, or the Central Americans slightly weakened.

I'm going to keep going until I get the Manufacturing plants (don't have the tech yet) and hope they help. Then I'll make the adjustments I feel neccessary and start over. Then I'll rereport.

Anyways I hope it didn't sound like I was whinning about the position's weakness, that is something I'm definately not trying to come off as doing. I just thought I'd make the suggestion.

I can tell you if you want to try a scary position after Cuba, try Israel

Ha I've tried Israel on my laptop. That position isn't to bad. Production numbers are better, plus if you can hold on until you get your Merkahva (sp?) tanks, well... That is when you feel pitty for the other fools in the Middle East. (I SAID BOW TO ME! *squish*)

I am testing the huge map bic

Wow you sure are lucky. I am eagerly awaiting that one, along with Klyden's MP version. I have a question if I'm allowed to ask though... Does my pressious Cuba get any more cities?

 

[El Justo]

Does my pressious Cuba get any more cities (in the Huge map)?

OMFG! i've never seen the c americans go at it like that! that's crazy.

as for the huge map, yes, cuba, iirc, has about 5 cities and a few more land tiles. however, they will also have to deal w/ the USN Base at Guantánamo (a city, not an airbase).

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

I've played up to June of 1950 as the Yanks.

2 turns in, the Canadians of all people start the fighting by declaring on the Soviets. Stalin demands some gold from me, but I refused, since I figured we'd be at war in a turn or two anyway. A turn later, WWIII has begun.

I have landed a few troops on Cuba, between Havana and Cienfuegos (100 fires?), but I'm going to need a lot more troops before I take either of the cities.

I've also landed some troops by Vladivostok, which looks much more promising.

I also have to say, the ships' sinking animations are incredible...even when they're MY ships.

 

[El Justo]

I've played up to June of 1950 as the Yanks.

2 turns in, the Canadians of all people start the fighting by declaring on the Soviets. Stalin demands some gold from me, but I refused, since I figured we'd be at war in a turn or two anyway. A turn later, WWIII has begun.

I have landed a few troops on Cuba, between Havana and Cienfuegos (100 fires?), but I'm going to need a lot more troops before I take either of the cities.

I've also landed some troops by Vladivostok, which looks much more promising.

I also have to say, the ships' sinking animations are incredible...even when they're MY ships.

hmm...you may need a few more troops than that to crack vladivostock.

the death anims on those ships are pretty 'kewl'. aside from all of vingrjoe's bangin' units, Wyrmshadow's Gato class sub death w/ that oil slick is very neat.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

hmm...you may need a few more troops than that to crack vladivostock.

the death anims on those ships are pretty 'kewl'. aside from all of vingrjoe's bangin' units, Wyrmshadow's Gato class sub death w/ that oil slick is very neat.

I just saw a Gato sub sink, and even though it was mine, it was pretty cool.

Also, I noticed the, I believe, Fletcher Class Destroyer occasionally seems to have an oil spill if it is not moved. It startled me the first time I saw it. I thought it was sinking or something.

Also, a question. I think I already know the answer, but cities can't culture flip, right?

Update!

After 6 months of constant bombardment from A-1 Skyraiders, F9F Panthers, P-51 Mustangs, a B-29 Superfortress, and various destroyers, Vladivostok is reduced to 210,000 citizens with simply a Field Gun to defend against the Yanks' assault. Needless to say, Vladivostok was overrun by American Infantry in Nov. of 1950.
On the other side of the globe, Havana, Cuba was assaulted by several divisions of U.S. Infantry and M-4 Sherman tanks, as well as a brand new bomber. The bomber is larger than any airplane known to man, and witnesses claim that it "blocked out the sun". It has been dubbed the Peacemaker.
After a bloody fight with heavy losses for both Cubans and Americans, Havana was taken by the Yanks. 2 major vicories in one month!
Rumor is spreading that peace talks with the WP are beginning.

 

[Biggles]

With this scenario, I have had to change my tactics a LOT.

Producing weaponry takes so long that each unit is very precious.
You have to care about your troops.

For example, I never attack a Russian city before all the defenders are redlined by bombardment. Even then, you stand a good chance of losing some tanks. Tanks which can take a year to replace, especially when they have to be shipped across the Pacific.

I have never liked losing population to rush buy things, but I can see it would be much easier in this scenario, so next time I might play as a Communist government.
I might also modify it slightly, to give myself half a dozen more workers.
I can control polution in America, but I cannot afford to ship workers everseas to build up the occupied territories.

 

[PriestOfDiscord]

PriestofDiscord,

you never fail to impress! great report as usual!

man, i have to give you props...going on the offensive w/ a tiny civi like Greece is quite impressive.

is there any specific 'House Vicotry COnditions' you could think of attaining as Greece? i ask b/c we're trying to compile some sub-plot VP conditions for the lesser civis.

Thanks, I'm personally finding the Greek position to be a lot nicer than I gave them credit for at first. Having Yugoslavia and Turkey as buffers to the north really gives you a feeling of security.

I'd say that even on the higher difficulty levels the goal by the end of the scenario should be all of North Africa and the two african Arab League cities(which I expect to be a lot harder to crack.) The help that allied airpower gives can not be overstated. The downside is if you are accustomed to playing one of the bigger powers you will absolutely miss the hidden nationality troops and better hardware.

Oct 1971: We are tracking several Iberian armored divisions. Oddly, they are headed into Siberia. Do they not know where they are going ?

Haven't you heard? The gulags are a popular tourist attraction these days!

 

[Blue Boy]

Blue Boy,

maybe you can try and extract the large file again b/c sometimes the extraction process doesn't complete itself.

Hi El justo,

I tried extracting the files again but got the same error. I will try and re-download the file to see if that helps.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks

 

[I_batman]

Wow you sure are lucky. I am eagerly awaiting that one, along with Klyden's MP version. I have a question if I'm allowed to ask though... Does my pressious Cuba get any more cities?

Well, I can tell you this about the huge game. It is A LOT more of the same.
But El Justo is calling the shots on that baby.

I know that the MP of Klyden's will be a thing of beauty as well.

 

[silver 2039]

Will we have to redownload the main file for the larger map?