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I'm not very good at Fall of Rome so I usually chose the Sassanids
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I'm not very good at Fall of Rome so I usually chose the Sassanids
I did, I just won those two on one computer and this one on a different computer.
Princeof Persia
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So are you doing to be the Dutch.
Pieman
Prince
Play as the counter-colonial Inca 
Toxicman007
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I think the general consensus is the Dutch. Do like I did as France and conquer all of Europe 
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Dutch or Portugal!
MaxaTheGreat
Feel Prussian Iron!
Spain. Just because they're cool.
Princeof Persia
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Just start playing.
CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
May the Dutch reign supreme!
Toxicman007
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Go ahead and play, and enjoy it
I started my AoD yesterday as the French (again..). So far, I've conquered Portugal, killed the Iroquois, and am gearing up for an invasion of the Netherlands. I also stole Ritual Sacrifice from the Aztecs, and can now sacrifice workers in Paris for great justice (and culture).
I started my AoD yesterday as the French (again..). So far, I've conquered Portugal, killed the Iroquois, and am gearing up for an invasion of the Netherlands. I also stole Ritual Sacrifice from the Aztecs, and can now sacrifice workers in Paris for great justice (and culture).
Princeof Persia
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That is a great idea! Choxorn, you must try to steal ritual sacrifice and sacrifice in Amsterdam.
Toxicman007
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I didn't even think it would work, but I figured I could use my massive gold reserves to steal the Mesoamerican techs (and also their wonders, again for great justice). Sadly I couldn't get horseback riding because I killed off the Iroquois before I came up with the idea.
Sparthage
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CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
lurker's comment:Who said anything about Native Americans?
O yes, we know that when the Dutch conquered cities in Europe, the conquered citizens ended up being paraded through the streets of Amsterdam before their hearts were cut out on Great Dutch Pyramid.
Toxicman007
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And so it came to pass, that all foreign workers captured were sacrificed to the great god Quetzalcoatl in his holy city of Amsterdam.
On a side-note, I am currently playing more of my game, and am conquering the Dutch. I caught a worker, and he is being transported across the Atlantic to Paris where his heart shall be torn out, still beating, for the glory of the French Empire (this whole sacrifice thing is really turning out to be useful for the European civs).
And lo, the Lord said, "And thou shalt cut out thy enemies' hearts, and thy shall cut with a triangular knife because I liketh triangles, and thy shalt sacrifice thy enemies to me, for I am the Lord."
Toxicman007
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The Lord also said, "And thou shalt construct a mighty temple, one to honor the moon, because I also liketh the moon and it gives you +2 free technology advances."
The Dutch had no idea what the Lord meant by +2 free technology advances, but they started construction of this temple anyway.
EDIT: I just finished my AoD. I ended up getting the 35K victory points and the 4K one-city cultural victory in the same turn. By the time I won, I had conquered the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Ceuta, that stupid island Spain has in the Mediterranean, the Canary Islands and Madeira. I also had a substantial colonial empire in North America, and a smaller one in southern Africa. It also ended right on the "20 turns left" turn. Spain was about 200 points away from winning. At one point, I stole three of their treasures. I guess if I didn't do that, they would've won.
Prologue: The Sailing Dutchmen
King William of the Dutch had a few problems and a few things that were decidedly not problematic. On the problematic side was that all of his close neighbors were more powerful than he was, the Spanish and especially the Portuguese had done tons of beneficial exploration that was surely making them powerful, and his tiny country was very overcrowded. On the plus side, he had a decent navy, more luxury resources and money than anyone else in Europe, and the overcrowdedness didn't prevent the Dutch from getting enough for food or gold for all their needs. Even those had their drawbacks- the Navy couldn't do much if, say, France or some random German state decided to invade them, the high number of resources and lack of Horses they had only increased the likelihood that someone would invade them, and their cities were highly unproductive. Luckily, everything east of a random line on the eastern border of them and France seemed not to care about anything to the west of this line, so he could focus solely on his neighbors to the Southwest and England.
Those were, of course, all big problems. Portugal's exploration and the recent voyage of Bartolomeo Dias had made them hugely powerful and given them the fastest ships in Europe. The union between Castile and Aragon to form Spain, and the conquest of Granada, last remnant of the once-powerful Emirate of Cordova, had given them a large territory and powerful military. France had recovered from years of disunity and being partially occupied by countries that weren't France to become perhaps more powerful and a more immediate threat to the Dutch, even if they had exactly as many (or, rather, as few) Horses and the weakest navy in Western Europe. They'd also, somehow, managed to control Scotland, although how that happened is anyone's guess. England might not be as threatening due to a channel separating it from the Netherlands, but their navy could probably crush the Netherlands' in a fight.
He had to find a way to solve some of these problems.
They'd have to expand to find Horses and get cities in areas that weren't this overcrowded. War was out of the question, due to their lack of military strength. Their Pikemen could fight off invading armies with some degree of success, but their offensive military consisted of a unit of Medieval Infantry, a unit of Longbowmen, and a Trebuchet. That wasn't going to capture anything anytime soon. Maybe their Infantry could invade one of the tiny Portuguese islands, or something (they have Amphibious in this scenario, as do Musketmen, Musketeers, and Conquistadors).
They did, however, have some Settlers and Explorers ready to go and find somewhere else to build, inspired by tales of Iberian exploration to get the hell out of this crappy country. Problem: the Western coast of Africa that Spain and Portugal had found was really far away, and they'd probably be beaten to any good spots by the ones who'd already explored it and knew where the good spots were.
That left one alternative: Go west, and see what they could find. Maybe Asia, or maybe something between Europe and Asia. Whatever it was, it would probably be good.
So, in the summer of 1490, to much fanfare, those Settlers and Explorers joined with an escort of Pikemen that had previously been defending Amsterdam in the city's harbor, home of half of the Dutch Navy (the other half was in Antwerp).
"You have a great task ahead of you, one that, if successful, will greatly help the Netherlands become more powerful. You will head West across the Atlantic Ocean, sailing on Caravels, and joined by more Caravels in Antwerp, sped up by wind to reach your destination quickly... wherever that destination happens to be. You will explore, and tell us what you find, and settle in new areas we don't even know about yet to bring us great riches that we cannot imagine."
Everyone thought this was probably slightly exaggerated, as other European countries likely had the same idea, and they couldn't get everything. Even so, it would surely be better than nothing, and everyone cheered at this. After some more ceremonial things and celebrations, the Explorers, Settlers, and Pikemen boarded the Caravel HNMS Amsterdam, which, joined with another Caravel, Holland, departed the city. At the same time, two Caravels left Antwerp with a crew of workers in onboard, Sintmaria and Orange.
They sailed out into the fastest way to get to the Atlantic Ocean: The English Channel. This would probably temporarily annoy Britain, but oh well.
Speaking of workers, the other two groups the Dutch had got right to work improving the Netherlands. It was a bit lacking in roads, and something needed to be done about the lack of production. William's solution was the announcement of a massive roading project, which would be followed by a reforestation project. Many open areas of grassland and farms would be converted into either mines or forests to improve their productivity, with whether trees were planted there or mines build depending on how much the surrounding city needed. Amsterdam and Antwerp, being coastal and having huge amounts of food, could probably do with more forestation. Brussels, in need of some food to grow it up to a city of the same size and power as the other two, could probably do with some mines.
At the same time, he also re-arranged some of the areas the citizens of those 3 cities to improve productivity. He also changed some builds. Brussels was too small to really need a Cathedral, so it would build units, which probably would be more beneficial. He didn't really care about the Sistine Chapel, and told Amsterdam to build a University, but later changed his mind after a report from his scientists.
He had the same technological knowledge as the rest of Europe- a bunch of ancient technology that nobody really used any more...
Some medieval technology that was still being used...
And the technology of now, the Age of Exploration, which had yet to be discovered at all.
Originally, the scientists had thought something to increase military power and the ability to blow stuff up would be best, but then decided that naval technology would be better, especially for what it would allow them to build- Magellan's Voyage. William was skeptical at first, but upon learning that it would give them free ships and productivity out of Amsterdam's Coastal areas (It gives +1 shield in Water Tiles and a Frigate every 5 turns, which will be hugely beneficial for a city that only has 6 land tiles and can't even use them all due to being too close to other cities), re-started building a wonder to later be switched to Magellan's Voyage. He still didn't like the Sistine Chapel, though, so he started building Leonardo's Workshop instead.
As useful as any new things that came from this would be, the Dutch still had great challenges ahead of them.
This would not be easy...
King William of the Dutch had a few problems and a few things that were decidedly not problematic. On the problematic side was that all of his close neighbors were more powerful than he was, the Spanish and especially the Portuguese had done tons of beneficial exploration that was surely making them powerful, and his tiny country was very overcrowded. On the plus side, he had a decent navy, more luxury resources and money than anyone else in Europe, and the overcrowdedness didn't prevent the Dutch from getting enough for food or gold for all their needs. Even those had their drawbacks- the Navy couldn't do much if, say, France or some random German state decided to invade them, the high number of resources and lack of Horses they had only increased the likelihood that someone would invade them, and their cities were highly unproductive. Luckily, everything east of a random line on the eastern border of them and France seemed not to care about anything to the west of this line, so he could focus solely on his neighbors to the Southwest and England.
Those were, of course, all big problems. Portugal's exploration and the recent voyage of Bartolomeo Dias had made them hugely powerful and given them the fastest ships in Europe. The union between Castile and Aragon to form Spain, and the conquest of Granada, last remnant of the once-powerful Emirate of Cordova, had given them a large territory and powerful military. France had recovered from years of disunity and being partially occupied by countries that weren't France to become perhaps more powerful and a more immediate threat to the Dutch, even if they had exactly as many (or, rather, as few) Horses and the weakest navy in Western Europe. They'd also, somehow, managed to control Scotland, although how that happened is anyone's guess. England might not be as threatening due to a channel separating it from the Netherlands, but their navy could probably crush the Netherlands' in a fight.
He had to find a way to solve some of these problems.
They'd have to expand to find Horses and get cities in areas that weren't this overcrowded. War was out of the question, due to their lack of military strength. Their Pikemen could fight off invading armies with some degree of success, but their offensive military consisted of a unit of Medieval Infantry, a unit of Longbowmen, and a Trebuchet. That wasn't going to capture anything anytime soon. Maybe their Infantry could invade one of the tiny Portuguese islands, or something (they have Amphibious in this scenario, as do Musketmen, Musketeers, and Conquistadors).
They did, however, have some Settlers and Explorers ready to go and find somewhere else to build, inspired by tales of Iberian exploration to get the hell out of this crappy country. Problem: the Western coast of Africa that Spain and Portugal had found was really far away, and they'd probably be beaten to any good spots by the ones who'd already explored it and knew where the good spots were.
That left one alternative: Go west, and see what they could find. Maybe Asia, or maybe something between Europe and Asia. Whatever it was, it would probably be good.
So, in the summer of 1490, to much fanfare, those Settlers and Explorers joined with an escort of Pikemen that had previously been defending Amsterdam in the city's harbor, home of half of the Dutch Navy (the other half was in Antwerp).
"You have a great task ahead of you, one that, if successful, will greatly help the Netherlands become more powerful. You will head West across the Atlantic Ocean, sailing on Caravels, and joined by more Caravels in Antwerp, sped up by wind to reach your destination quickly... wherever that destination happens to be. You will explore, and tell us what you find, and settle in new areas we don't even know about yet to bring us great riches that we cannot imagine."
Everyone thought this was probably slightly exaggerated, as other European countries likely had the same idea, and they couldn't get everything. Even so, it would surely be better than nothing, and everyone cheered at this. After some more ceremonial things and celebrations, the Explorers, Settlers, and Pikemen boarded the Caravel HNMS Amsterdam, which, joined with another Caravel, Holland, departed the city. At the same time, two Caravels left Antwerp with a crew of workers in onboard, Sintmaria and Orange.
They sailed out into the fastest way to get to the Atlantic Ocean: The English Channel. This would probably temporarily annoy Britain, but oh well.
Speaking of workers, the other two groups the Dutch had got right to work improving the Netherlands. It was a bit lacking in roads, and something needed to be done about the lack of production. William's solution was the announcement of a massive roading project, which would be followed by a reforestation project. Many open areas of grassland and farms would be converted into either mines or forests to improve their productivity, with whether trees were planted there or mines build depending on how much the surrounding city needed. Amsterdam and Antwerp, being coastal and having huge amounts of food, could probably do with more forestation. Brussels, in need of some food to grow it up to a city of the same size and power as the other two, could probably do with some mines.
At the same time, he also re-arranged some of the areas the citizens of those 3 cities to improve productivity. He also changed some builds. Brussels was too small to really need a Cathedral, so it would build units, which probably would be more beneficial. He didn't really care about the Sistine Chapel, and told Amsterdam to build a University, but later changed his mind after a report from his scientists.
He had the same technological knowledge as the rest of Europe- a bunch of ancient technology that nobody really used any more...
Some medieval technology that was still being used...
And the technology of now, the Age of Exploration, which had yet to be discovered at all.
Originally, the scientists had thought something to increase military power and the ability to blow stuff up would be best, but then decided that naval technology would be better, especially for what it would allow them to build- Magellan's Voyage. William was skeptical at first, but upon learning that it would give them free ships and productivity out of Amsterdam's Coastal areas (It gives +1 shield in Water Tiles and a Frigate every 5 turns, which will be hugely beneficial for a city that only has 6 land tiles and can't even use them all due to being too close to other cities), re-started building a wonder to later be switched to Magellan's Voyage. He still didn't like the Sistine Chapel, though, so he started building Leonardo's Workshop instead.
As useful as any new things that came from this would be, the Dutch still had great challenges ahead of them.
This would not be easy...
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