The European Project: the future of the EU.
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Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Given the small size of European countries, what fate do you expect them to face in the coming decades if they don’t join forces?
I'm asking so because I hardly see what could be hoped for other than becoming larger powers pawns. That's already what's going on actually.
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Marla_Singer
United in diversity
There is no basis for claiming that (say) Germany wants the Eu to federalize. Are you of the view that removing the veto will somehow make it want it?
Because that was the remarkable claim, that supposedly removing the veto is a "first step" to federalization - a claim that flies in the face of any logic.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
I wasn't necessarily thinking about federalizing. You're against the EU or whatever other ways for European countries to join their forces. Yet if we don't do so, again, I can't see what we can expect more than becoming pawns in the hands of larger powers, hence my skepticism. But maybe do you think we would be better off? In such a case I would be interested to know how do you think it would be the case.
I am actually in favor of a federal Eu. I just don't see it happening, because it is against the interests of some major countries.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
The EU doesn't need the goodwill of the US, China or Russia. If we count on their interests to defend our own, we're already lost.
By "some major countries"... obviously it was implied "in the Eu".... Are you of the view that Germany wants a federal Eu or not?
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
I don't understand the question as Germany is a collection of individuals having many different opinions. If you meant by that the incoming Chancellor Friedrich Merz, I would say that it's too soon to tell, but the first signals are very postive.
Any source for that?
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Look by yourself, I won't lose my time for your service. Generally speaking, and despite their differences, European countries, including Germany with Merz, did not back down when Trump overturned the alliance on the question of Ukraine. I interpret that as a good sign. When Trump trapped Zelensky at the White House, his intention was to isolate him. That's not what happened.
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There is no source, as your claim has no basis in reality (Germany wanting a federal Eu). Thanks for backing your words, though; makes discussion worth the while.
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Marla_Singer
United in diversity
I already told that I wasn't specifically talking about federalizing. You didn't answer to the initial question which was how could European countries fate be different from becoming pawns in the hand of larger powers if they don't join forces in a way or another. Alright then, if this is just going to be a ping pong discussion where no one listens, I’m not really interested in continuing.
You don't find it remarkable that it's always the right wing parties that are 'investigated' and found guilty?
Do you honestly think that left wing parties' hands are all clean - or do you think that they don't really investigate them. Or they do, but 'find nothing wrong'?
Don't be naive. This is how they bar right wing politicians.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
The EU has moved slowly toward federalism since its creation. Initially, the Council (made up of the relevant ministers from each country) and the Council of the EU (made up of the leaders of each country) were the governing bodies with all the power, while truly communitarian or federalist bodies, such as the Commission, were only relevant for very specific or essentially symbolic, like the Parliament. The same is true of decision-making processes: the unanimity system (or "veto power," as it is incorrectly called here) was dominant at first, while the qualified majority system applied only to specific issues.
Now, power is shared between the Council and Parliament, the Council of the EU is almost symbolic, and the Commission is, in fact, the EU's executive branch, with the ability to drive changes. The same is true of decision-making processes. Unanimity is now used only on specific issues, such as security, foreign policy, and the admission of new members, while qualified majority voting is used for everything else.
This federalization process has been stalled for several years, however, following several setbacks, especially the failed European Constitution. But now, given the current global situation, things are going to change, and quickly. It's curious how the EU's greatest enemies, Putin and Trump, are also its greatest allies.
Now, power is shared between the Council and Parliament, the Council of the EU is almost symbolic, and the Commission is, in fact, the EU's executive branch, with the ability to drive changes. The same is true of decision-making processes. Unanimity is now used only on specific issues, such as security, foreign policy, and the admission of new members, while qualified majority voting is used for everything else.
This federalization process has been stalled for several years, however, following several setbacks, especially the failed European Constitution. But now, given the current global situation, things are going to change, and quickly. It's curious how the EU's greatest enemies, Putin and Trump, are also its greatest allies.
Have you considered citing your claims, at any point in time?
From 2017 and 2018:
Jean-Luc Mélenchon investigated for fraud: report
Left-winger suspected of having paid former assistants with EU money.
www.politico.eu
French police question Jean-Luc Mélenchon over alleged misuse of funds
Allegations relate to staff payments and 2017 presidential campaign accounts
www.theguardian.com
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