The European Project: the future of the EU.

[Marla_Singer]

We have an expression, here in Portugal, for when someone displays assertiveness and decisiveness and his words are perceived as undeniable truths: "Verdades como punhos" it roughly (casual translation by me) translates as "Truths as fists". I think the expression thoroughly applies to Monsieur Claude's speech. Maybe the French have a similar expression @Marla_Singer ?

No we don't have a similar saying in French. The only one I can think of would be "c'est frappé au coin du bon sens", which actually means nothing when litterally translated: "it is stamped on the corner of common sense". I have no idea why we say it this way.

 

[soundjata]

I liked the "incendiary Nero" comparison. And the "buffon on ketamin"

Yet I wonder what kind of accomplishments we owe the man, apart from those cute words.
He certainly owes the French people quite a few pennies.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I liked the "incendiary Nero" comparison. And the "buffon on ketamin"

Yet I wonder what kind of accomplishments we owe the man, apart from those cute words.
He certainly owes the French people quite a few pennies.

He's the former President of "Médecins sans Frontières" (Doctors Without Borders), an NGO offering humanitarian medical care in war-torn country. Among other engagements, he served as a doctor himself during the Cambodian genocides perpetrated by the Khmers Rouge.

He later founded Doctissimo which is the leading health private website in France, so I think he actually brought a lot more revenues to his country in taxes than he earned from it as an MP.

 

[EvaDK]

The French senators speech, should be a reminder to everyone that the French national anthem, is literally a revolutionary battle cry to take up arms against tyranny.

 

[Kaitzilla]

The police have hauled Georgescu in for questioning a few months later.

It is unclear if he will be allowed to run again or win again.

Georgescu will not be allowed to run again or win again in the next election for President of Romania.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romanian-far-right-candidate-barred-may-presidential-vote-2025-03-09/

BUCHAREST, March 9 (Reuters) - Romania's central election authority on Sunday barred far-right pro-Russian candidate Calin Georgescu from running in May's presidential election re-run, a decision likely to deepen a constitutional crisis in the European Union and NATO member.

The cancellation on December 6 of the presidential election due to allegations of Russian meddling has thrust Romania to the heart of a dispute between the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump and European nations over how democratic values should be defined.

 

[innonimatu]

The european suicide pact keeps showing that Vance guy yo be correct. And disregaring his warning.

The EU openly being an anti-democractifc monstruosity, it loses its propaganda power. All it has left as tools will be military intimidation and corruption.
Military intimidation doesn't work because everyone knows that the axis wunning the EU are a couple of paper tigers now. Doing its power games trhough corruption gets it into situations like what is happening around Serbia now where taking sides in local economic fights risks being stuck with the losers and suffering consequences.

Concurrently, the german "protector" of Bosnia is trying to force a sell-off of state assets there, setting off a crisis that may well connect with others in Serbia and Kosovo and end with the german-french axis kicked out from the southern bankans altogether.

In the meanwhile the EC is doing its blame the victims thing as usual. After supporting genicide in Gaza it's now also supporting mass killings by its pet terrorists in Syria.

 

[innonimatu]

Must not forget that a third of the german voters voted wrong. The new german government is preparing the ground to be able to discipline them::

Report Your Family For Wrong Think, Says German Government Initiative​

Germany's Interior Ministry and Family Affairs Ministry launch "Advice Compass on Conspiracy Thinking" to monitor and report citizens' beliefs​

Germany’s Interior Ministry, headed by Nancy Faeser – known for banning media outlets – and the Federal Ministry for Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women, and Youth have launched a project dubbed, “Advice Compass on Conspiracy Thinking.”
The center is there to provide advice to anyone who “suspect their friends or family members have fallen victim to conspiracy theories,” according to the Interior Ministry.
[...]
She then goes down to explaining why it’s important to keep an eye on your loved ones and report them to the authorities should the first element in this long chain of “harms” forced together – namely, conspiracy theories – be detected.
Faeser observes that people know their family members and friends the best, and are therefore uniquely positioned to know what they think (this is, after all, about policing citizens’ thinking, not actions).
But what to do if a person in your life thinks differently, and cannot be persuaded to change their mind and agree with you? Maybe let them think about what they like?
Not according to Faeser and her political and NGO allies. Hence – “the Compass on Conspiracy Thinking contact point,” is now available to citizens across Germany.

Will provide a nice database of wroongthing citizens to be re-educated. Or perhaps barred from voting or working?

 

[Lexicus]

Or perhaps barred from voting or working?

The AFD should be broken up and its members imprisoned in labor camps, imo.

 

[Moriarte]

Will provide a nice database of wroongthing citizens to be re-educated. Or perhaps barred from voting or working?

That sort of “small” thing conjured up by those lacking faculties to sense the danger tends to backfire the most. We had a recent experiment, where one side of the aisle tried to re-educate the other in similar manner to end up losing all power and even those indifferent to the cause. Apparently now it’s Germany and Britain establishment’s time to step over the line and find out what happens next.

 

[Snowygerry]

That article sounds like Inno wrote it himself, no one believes that do they, almost certainly fake news. Best wait for our German members to post the truth here on the CFC,

do not trust a website that call itself "Reclaim the Net"

how suspicious is that, it is probably JD Vance trying to steal your wallet

 

[innonimatu]

The AFD is quite obviously a tool of a faction of the german oligarchy in place. But so are the other major parties now constituting a governemnt. I would understand it you said: that country needs a revolution. But you single out one party. Why?

The AFD also happens to be a party with a lot of support from working class people in Germany, and who will surely have members recruited there. You are proposing to imprision them all. And labour camps, really?

That's why the groups you follow keep losing politically: they spread and follow crazy ideas. Liberal, manegarial class fantasies of ruling without having to go to the thruble of actually winning at democratic politics. "Just imprision our enemies". If you wanted to do that, you'd have to seize power first. And you won't ever if you fantasize instead of working to win at politics. And actually, power is now held by your enemies. If imprisioning political enemies were an acceped norm, you'd be on your way to prision now wouldn't you? Are you keen on that?

Germany is an interesting case because the AFD does have a "left" contestant for working class vote, which got around 5% of the vote after being universally hostilized by the media. But I strongly suspect you'd vote against them though because they woudn't check all your boxes.

It is not a new problem. Leftists wanting a left a la carte, who will rather support the right - the liberals - rather than join with the working classes and prioriting working class interests. It's worse now than when Pasolini made his observation about the students and the policemman. Back then left-wing parties were mass movements with people from all socia strata, and elected politic<ans, even party leaders, in leftist parties with sizeable representation ofter were factory workers.

Now? The triumph of mass higher education made everyone who spends time going into politcis be liberals who are temporarily embarassed millionaires, looking out for a fast way to enrich themselves. The triumph of mass immigration made sure that the working class that identifies as working class is increasingly made up of isolated and marginalized groups who won't aim for active political participation. Leftist parties with genuine working clas members and candidates became resicula.
This is not a stable situation of course. But it is the present situation and woll be the prevailing situation for the next 10 years or so at least.

Leftists who are serious need to think through their policy priorities and find a coherent set. If you are for policies that create a disenfranchied underclass you are enabling the victory, and continued power, of the upper classes. Is it because you actually identify with the upper classes?

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Synopsis: Inno supporting neonazis and totalitarian oligarchs, as always.

 

[Kyriakos]

I recall Inno being in favor of Catalan independence, including in discussions in this very thread. Back then you might say he wasn't supporting the oppressive side at all, so maybe things aren't as conveniently binary after all.
In other words, I wish to doubt that the culture of the forum is now to simply attack the poster if you don't like the post - but signs sadly tell a different story.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

He, like you, doesn't systematically support the oppressive side, but the anti EU side in any of it's forms. About Catalan secessionists, they were backed by Moscow back then, as neonazis in Germany and Romania Orban in Hungary, etc, or any political phenomenon destabilizing the European Union.

 

[Kyriakos]

That's too binary too, sadly. People tend to have more elaborate reasons than what can be hastily deduced to serve as an automated ad hominem. The saddest thing is that the discussion in the Eu didn't use to be quite as "agents of Goldstein!" oriented, yet some fail to notice both the difference and the degradation it implies of the Eu.
Not all is lost, however; sleepwalking into a massive war will wake everyone up.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

The saddest thing is you both don't even realize how monothematic and predictable you are.

 

[Kyriakos]

Are you done with the ad hominems or should all posts now be that? It's the opposite of discussion and problematic in every way.

 

[Lexicus]

But you single out one party. Why?

They're avowed neo-Nazis.

And labour camps, really?

Call em gulags, whatever, I don't care. It's obvious that liberalism has failed, it's time to address the climate crisis by putting right-wingers and the wealthy to work building green infrastructure and solar panels and such. Think of how much healthier Elon Musk will be when he's doing socially useful work for the first time in his life!

Liberal, manegarial class fantasies of ruling without having to go to the thruble of actually winning at democratic politics.

The liberal parties obviously would need to be swept away as a prerequisite to any such action, liberals will never act decisively to destroy fascist parties. They are only capable of acting decisively against the left. What you mentioned above is a half-measure that ultimately will only empower the fascists further.

 

[Birdjaguar]

@Kyriakos and @Thorgalaeg Moderator Action: And back to our regularly scheduled program please.

 

[innonimatu]

They're avowed neo-Nazis.

Where did "they" avow it?

Did they perchance held public cerimonies honouring known nazi war veterans involved in the holocaust, like the liberals in Canada did? Have they consorted with known neo-nazies and advocated funding wars in which those are engaged, as several liberal german politcians have been doing? Have they stated publicly that the government sould ignore any public opposition to such militarism abroad (in violation of the still current german constitution, btw), as the former german foreign minister did?

In short: what exactly makes this party more nazi than several other large german parties?

The liberal parties obviously would need to be swept away as a prerequisite to any such action, liberals will never act decisively to destroy fascist parties. They are only capable of acting decisively against the left. What you mentioned above is a half-measure that ultimately will only empower the fascists further.

True. But I do not see you attacking liberals in Europe for their war-mongering or their supression fo democracy. Why do you concentrate your attacks on those who are not in power currently, based on hypotheticals of what they might do, and ignore
those who are? The fascists are not needed to strangle democracy in the european suicide pact: the liberals in power are doing it right now.

Worse than abusing the institutional control they have to perpetuate themselves in power, their propaganda is working with the segment of the population who fancy themsleves elite wannabes. You can see it here.

He, like you, doesn't systematically support the oppressive side, but the anti EU side in any of it's forms. About Catalan secessionists, they were backed by Moscow back then, as neonazis in Germany and Romania Orban in Hungary, etc, or any political phenomenon destabilizing the European Union.

Where everything the liberals in power don't like must backed by Moscow... of some other existencuial enemy, some other outside the proper liberal order. No way can they be native resistance against abuses of power and misgovermmnent, oh now - we all live in the best possible world and anyohe thing otherwise is a foreign agent or insane, right? All this while the "rules" as in Orwell's 1984, keep changing. Now it is democratic to cancel elections and ban candidates. But collective hatred for Iran for banning candidates remains mandatory, that tyrant regime. Popular politicans abroad whom everyone knows have 80+% approval ratings are "dictators", and local liberal governments that only got 20 or 30% of the votes are the "the democractic world".

This is the EU now. No need for "right-wing extremists" to supress democracy here in the future, the liberal extremists are already prepared to do as much as they can to remain in power. The have newspeak and cognitive dissonace already on place with their (dwindling but still large) group of supporters.