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[Marla_Singer]

Well, here’s the thing. It has been established by the court that she organized an entire system to embezzle 4 million € from the EU Parliament over 15 years, employing bodyguards or nannies as "parliamentary assistants" who never set a foot in Brussels. It’s been also established by the court that she's been alerted multiples times that it was illegal, yet decided to ignore it.

The case is arguably stronger and clearer legally speaking than for Fillon, who was convicted before her. Indeed, the EU’s rules on how MPs can use allocated funds are much stricter and more clearly defined than the regulations in place at the French National Assembly when Fillon held a seat there.

Although I recall that if the ineligibility rules are so severe for embezzlement, that is because the French Assembly voted for it, including Marine Le Pen herself. The judges here are simply enforcing the laws passed by elected representatives, so I struggle to understand what is "undemocratic" in a process voted by MPs themselves.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yeah. Proof that this isn't a pointed attack against the party as a whole, Bardella was not accused of anything despite being part of the scam. He produced fake documents to "prove" that he worked for the EU parliament, and when the press proved that they were fake the judges didn't go after him anyway. So the clear "heir" to the RN will be able to be its candidate.

So why didn't it happen the other way around? As in Le Pen being left alone, while Bardela being accused?

 

[AdrienIer]

So why didn't it happen the other way around? As in Le Pen being left alone, while Bardela being accused?

Because the proofs against Le Pen are plenty, when the case against him is more complicated. I just heard that his case started getting looked at a few months ago, but it'll take a lot of time before it goes near a judge.

 

[Kyriakos]

Because the proofs against Le Pen are plenty, when the case against him is more complicated. I just heard that his case started getting looked at a few months ago, but it'll take a lot of time before it goes near a judge.

So he is permanently compromised - how is this not leaving the party which had the electoral ability to win the next election, not decapitated? That is, of course, even assuming Bardela would be at least as popular as Le Pen with their voters.
Forcing them to pay large fines, instead of preventing them from running, would have been the non-political option.

 

[Snowygerry]

It’s quite amusing to see how they all come crawling out of the woodwork,

here’s Musk :

Elon Musk slams Marine Le Pen guilty verdict as arch-conservatives unite in fury

Key adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump signals he will make the French far-right standard-bearer a new cause célèbre.

www.politico.eu

Internationale de les miserabeles

 

[Kaitzilla]

Turkey arrested their opposition leader for corruption over a week ago.

This increased rule of law will boost their EU membership bid.

 

[AdrienIer]

So he is permanently compromised - how is this not leaving the party which had the electoral ability to win the next election, not decapitated? That is, of course, even assuming Bardela would be at least as popular as Le Pen with their voters.
Forcing them to pay large fines, instead of preventing them from running, would have been the non-political option.

Not sure how you see a major party doing shady corruption and complain that the judges are coming after them. They're also coming after Mélenchon's party (for the same scam but involving a smaller amount of money and a less organized system which is why it's taking longer to prove that they broke the law), and a few years ago they went after Bayrou's party (our current PM, also for the same scam and for a smaller amount of money).

The ineligibility option was reinforced a few years ago for corruption cases, because the general consensus was that the judges in France were usually too soft on corrupt politicians.

 

[Marla_Singer]

From what I can see the Kremlin is really pissed that its French stooge got caught in her fraud. Russian bots are going wild on Twitter with total disinformation.

I can understand, Putin invested so much in her for so many years.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Not sure how you see a major party doing shady corruption and complain that the judges are coming after them. They're also coming after Mélenchon's party (for the same scam but involving a smaller amount of money and a less organized system which is why it's taking longer to prove that they broke the law), and a few years ago they went after Bayrou's party (our current PM, also for the same scam and for a smaller amount of money).

The ineligibility option was reinforced a few years ago for corruption cases, because the general consensus was that the judges in France were usually too soft on corrupt politicians.

The difference between Le Pen's party (RN) and the other parties you mentioned is that, in Le Pen's case, it's a whole system that was built to be funded that way. Marine Le Pen prevented all her European MPs to choose their Parliamentary assistants so that all of them would work for her instead. So actually, she refused her MPs the means to carry out their mandate, and some expressed their frustration (notably Jean-Claude Martinez).

It is notorious in Brussels that RN MPs are absolutely never showing their face at the Parliament or its offices. As a matter of face, the first one who denounced it was German MP Martin Schulz who noticed that funds were attributed to RN employees that no one had ever seen. Here's the source (in French):

Martin Schulz, l’Allemand qui a mis fin aux ambitions de Marine Le Pen

Le social-démocrate n’imaginait probablement pas les répercussions politiques pour la multicandidate française à la présidentielle lorsqu’il a déclenché l’affaire des assistants parlementaires du FN.

www.lepoint.fr

 

[r16]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906688239806652905

yes , it is not just one single Greek .

 

[Marla_Singer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906688239806652905

yes , it is not just one single Greek .

So what should be done? Should ineligibility sanctions be completely ruled out in a democracy? No matter the crime?
I repeat that Le Pen's voted the law herself on pressure from the French public opinion which just had enough of corruption cases.

 

[r16]

to be in the first rank to rob Ukraine when the ceasefire happens , your country keeps forces ready to intervene actually in the country and wherever the Western troops are declared the fighting ends or whatever and your country somehow decides Marine le Pen has some standarts or something to oppose that ? Or is this really some sort of war between old style thieves aka George Sho-ross and new style thieves ilke Elon Musk ?

 

[Marla_Singer]

to be in the first rank to rob Ukraine when the ceasefire happens , your country keeps forces ready to intervene actually in the country and wherever the Western troops are declared the fighting ends or whatever and your country somehow decides Marine le Pen has some standarts or something to oppose that ? Or is this really some sort of war between old style thieves aka George Sho-ross and new style thieves ilke Elon Musk ?

Fake News. Alright got it, you don't know anything about the case.

 

[Verbose]

The enemies of the free and open democracies ARE going to take this line of attack – how these autocracies and dictatorships are the "real democracies": Russia, China, Turkey, Hungary, and now apparently the US as well.

So now the lines are drawn. Each to his own to actually make note of it.

 

[r16]

Fake News. Alright got it, you don't know anything about the case.

yes . The smart Westerners have everything right . They know everything . Everything else is a Russian troll .

like ... we here have 20 odd years of advanced democracy here , right ?

 

[Marla_Singer]

yes . The smart Westerners have everything right . They know everything . Everything else is a Russian troll .

Mentioning Soros and Musk is totally off topic. They have nothing to do with the story. It's all fake news. I know that because it's been 10 years now we're talking about how Le Pen's party use the EU Parliament to fund itself. It's not a new story that emerged today.

Although I can't help but note how that story is interpreted differently than Fillon's case. François Fillon was the heavy favourite to win the Presidential election in 2017. Then a French media released a story that he was hiring his wife as a Parliamentary assistant. Justice was immediately ceased 2 months before the presidential election day. At the time, no one called that a denial of democracy. The difference? Russian bots on Twitter that tells craps that you end up repeating on CFC.

 

[soundjata]

I just want to point out the false equivalence between Ekrem Imamoglu being arrested manu military (political violence) and Marine Le Pen leaving the court free (normal judiciary process)

 

[r16]

the point being , these pages cite 3 different political entities in France doing the same thing and only one can be punished right now , because she is a long time Russian agent like everybody else on the Musk camp ? Anyone expecting me infracted for being against the truth ? This is why Musk and company are burning all the bridges with wild abandon ...

with large stocks of military bridges in existance over the hills .

 

[r16]

you might end up personally unhappy with using Russian bots in any single sentence with me . Please don't .

 

[soundjata]

the point being , these pages cite 3 different political entities in France doing the same thing and only one can be punished right now , because she is a long time Russian agent like everybody else on the Musk camp ? Anyone expecting me infracted for being against the truth ? This is why Musk and company are burning all the bridges with wild abandon ...

It was explained previously. MLP party frauded outrageously. Deserves justice. Plain and simple. (The other fraudsters too)

Now I agree with you on the vicious circle of thieves comprising Elon and Marine. Don't you like it when they get hit?