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[Evie]

...the two murders (not normal) aside, you mean championship riots are not the expected par for course for you guys?

Uh. So much for us Canadians being polite.

 

[danjuno]

Sports riot? That's just your average Monday in Philly!

 

[EnglishEdward]

It seems there was a very close result in the Polish election

Poland election: Conservative historian Nawrocki wins presidential vote

Right-wing historian Karol Nawrocki is Poland's new president, official results show.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Their state electoral commission reports:

Karol Nawrocki 50.9%
Rafal Trzaskowski 49.1%

 

[Yeekim]

it's become a tradition of sorts for people who are celebrating something big, particularly when it comes to football, to become unhinged and to do things that are either unsafe or potentially damaging to private or public property. For example climbing on top of bus stops, or buses, or cars. This can lead to various issues, like the owner of the car getting angry and in turn doing unsafe things to protect their car.
Secondly, many of the young parisian fans in the streets yesterday (particularly those who stayed late), are from the suburbs and have a very tense relationship to the police. Therefore the unhinged state they were in may have gotten them to go pick a fight with the policemen. Also, the policemen tend to have racist tendencies in France

People "have a tradition to become unhinged when celebrating and damage property". Just regular French things, eh?

 

[Ordnael]

Just regular soccer hooligan fans. It happens here too...just not at a French scale!

 

[Evie]

Montreal has done property-damaging riots every time we won the Stanley Cup (and a few times we just won playoff rounds at home on the way to the Stanley Cup) in my lifetime (and that one time the league commissioner suspended our star player for the entire playoffs too).

Vancouver has done it every time they didn't win the Stanley Cup (and been soundly mocked for not getting the proper order of how these things work - you offer your city to the sports gods as a burnt offering in thanksgiving for being allowed to win, not in frustration because you lost!).

 

[AdrienIer]

People have found newspapers from the day after the 1998 world cup win saying there was 1 death and more than a hundred wounded in the celebrations. Below this saturday's numbers, but it's definitely not a new thing.

 

[danjuno]

People "have a tradition to become unhinged when celebrating and damage property". Just regular French things, eh?

Is Estonia even large enough to have a riot?

 

[Yeekim]

Is Estonia even large enough to have a riot?

It is not about the numbers.

There is just something about normalization of senseless, mindless vandalism that rubs me in an horribly wrong way.

"It's just how people are... smashing windows and torching cars when they're happy"... hell no, degenerates like these are why we need chain-and-ball forced labor gangs reinstated.

 

[Yeekim]

People have found newspapers from the day after the 1998 world cup win saying there was 1 death and more than a hundred wounded in the celebrations. Below this saturday's numbers, but it's definitely not a new thing.

Chariot-racing hooligans burned down half of Constantinople and caused a death-toll of 30,000 in 532, but that does not make it any better.

EDIT: Also, "people have found newspapers from 1998"? Please don't make it sound as if the 90s are a subject for archeologists! Some of us remember 1998!

 

[Snowygerry]

Zidane was great in 1998, what exactly happened in 532 ? Never heard about that

Edit,

On January 13, 532, an angry crowd arrived at the Hippodrome for the races The Hippodrome was next to the palace complex, so Justinian could preside over the races from the safety of his box in the palace. From the start, the crowd hurled insults at Justinian. By the end of the day, at race 22, the partisan chants had changed from "Blue" or "Green" to a unified Nίκα ("Nika", meaning "Win!", "Victory!" or "Conquer!"), and the crowds broke out and began to assault the palace. The riot lasted for a week. Fires started during the tumult destroyed much of the city, including the city's foremost church, the Hagia Sophia (which Justinian would later rebuild).

Nika riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EnglishEdward]

So what are you saying, the EU is no better than the Roman Empires ?

 

[Snowygerry]

Les Blues will have to drag Macron from the stand and burn the Notre Dame to reach a comparable level of riot - then again the next WC is in the US so maybe they can shoot Trumps other ear off and burn a Tesla store ?

 

[danjuno]

It is not about the numbers.

There is just something about normalization of senseless, mindless vandalism that rubs me in an horribly wrong way.

"It's just how people are... smashing windows and torching cars when they're happy"... hell no, degenerates like these are why we need chain-and-ball forced labor gangs reinstated.

Lol, chain gangs or not, there are always going to be large groups of stupid people running around being stupid.

 

[Evie]

Chain ganging the thousands of people involved in those riots would cost considerably more than just repairing the damage they've done (and we still have to repair the aforesaid damage), and put people whose chief crime is being stupid and rowdy in contact with actual criminals who can actually channel their rowdy stupidity in much more dangerous ways.

I believe the term slow clap is an appropriate answer to the likely result of that counter-productive overreaction.

 

[Yeekim]

Chain ganging the thousands of people involved in those riots would cost considerably more than just repairing the damage they've done (and we still have to repair the aforesaid damage), and put people whose chief crime is being stupid and rowdy in contact with actual criminals who can actually channel their rowdy stupidity in much more dangerous ways.

I believe the term slow clap is an appropriate answer to the likely result of that counter-productive overreaction.

I was venting and thus not entirely serious.
But if you want to debate pros and cons, it would 100% be worth it just for the worst hundred - keeps the costs down, creates deterrence for the slightly less stupid.

Or were you making an argument in favor of public lashings and executions?

 

[Broken_Erika]

I was venting and thus not entirely serious.
But if you want to debate pros and cons, it would 100% be worth it just for the worst hundred - keeps the costs down, creates deterrence for the slightly less stupid.

Or were you making an argument in favor of public lashings and executions?

Just use Pillories, then people can chuck tomatoes at them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory

 

[Kyriakos]

I like that the Nika riots were brought up, an event from over 1000 years ago.
Reminds me of arguing that current horrible stuff with democracies don't matter because 2500 years ago ancient Greece had issues in its own democracies.

 

[Snowygerry]

What "horrible stuff" goes on in your democracy ?

As a general rule, I don't think we should not consider ourselves better than the people of a 1000 years ago, human nature doesn't change much imho, neither does politics.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

What "horrible stuff" goes on in your democracy ?

As a general I don't think we should not consider ourselves better than the people of a 1000 years ago, human nature doesn't change much imho.

The said riots apparently killed 30,000 from a population of 300,000, something unthinkable in modern 'riots'.

Didn't mattered that much anyway, the next year or so the Justinian plague came and killed half the remaining population.