The five most important battles of all times.

[Hell-Raiser]

1) Stalin Grad
2) D-Day
3) The Fall Of Rome (not really a Battle but it had much effeckt on Europe
4) Midway
5) Vietnam

 

[GenghisK]

You said Vietnam but you know there were so many battles and war that we don't know the one you're speaking about. I thinkg you should state your mind more clearly.

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[gjts00]

1) Stalingrad
2) Midway
3) D-Day
4) Pusan
5) I have to agree with Kev, the battle of Endor was pretty damn important.


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[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by Kev:
4. King Arthur's failed charge on that French-occupied castle. Had the cops not shown up I would have liked to see those taunting Frenchmen skewered. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

Don't forget the great battle at the Cave of Caerbannog!

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[animepornstar]

i don´t remember the date nor the place, but when charlemaign saved europe from being arabic in spain?

 

[Andu Indorin]

Five Most Importants Battles in Western History.

1) Salamis, 480 B.C. Of the Greek victories during the Persian, this was most important in that it broke Persian naval supremacy in Aegean, rendering it almost impossible for the Persians to continue land operations in Europe.

2) Zama, 202 B.C. The decisive victory of Rome over Carthage, thus establishing whose Empire would rule the Mediterranean World and so shape the end of the Classical Era of Western history.

3) Adrianople, 718 A.D. This battle resulted in the first successful defense of Constantinople, and thus is probably more important than its western equivalent, the Battle of Tours, 732 A.D. The loss of Constantinople -- at the time the largest city in Christiandom -- would have allowed rapid Moslem expansion through the Balkans and into central Europe and Italy.

4) Trafalgar, 1805 A.D. Decisive defeat of the Napoleon's Navy guaranteed Britain's ability to continue the war against Napoleon up to its conclusion at Waterloo.

5) Battle of Britain, 1940 A.D. Had the Germans won the battle and established air superiority over Britain, it is likely that they could have knocked Britain out of the war, rendering U.S. intervention all but impossible and allowing Hitler to invade Russia with full forces (and, as we know, Hitler came close to victory in Russia in 1941).

 

[Loaf Warden]

"i don´t remember the date nor the place, but when charlemaign saved europe from being arabic in spain?"

This also wasn't Charlemagne. It was Charles Martel, the grandfather of Charlemagne. The battle was at Poitiers, if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: The Battle of Tours, that was it. Near Poitiers, but not at Poitiers.

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[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Loaf Warden:
"i don´t remember the date nor the place, but when charlemaign saved europe from being arabic in spain?"

This also wasn't Charlemagne. It was Charles Martel, the grandfather of Charlemagne. The battle was at Poitiers, if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: The Battle of Tours, that was it. Near Poitiers, but not at Poitiers.

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Charles the Hammer ("Martel"), grandfather of Charles the Great.

Animepornstar (any chance I can convince your to change your name???): you are probably thinking of the Battle of Roncesvalles (778 a.d), from The Song of Roland . A lot of that medieval epic poem is based on the Battle of Tours ... And I'll will always accept the Archbishop Turpin to fight at my side.



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[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by GenghisK:
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BTW, what's Pelenor Fields? I don't know that... And you forgot to mention the final battle against Hades in Saint Seiya <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

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[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson:
The most important SWEDISH battels is this ones, aranged in chronological order:

• The battle of Breitenfeld 1631 - King Gustav II Adolf
• The battle of Lützen 1632 - King Gustav II Adolf
• The battle of Narva 1700 - King Karl XII
• The battle of Poltava 1709 - King Karl XII
• The battle of Fraustadt 1706 - King Karl XII
• The battle of Helsingborg 1710 - General Stenbock

Btw, this is a link to a intersesting site about the military ranks in Sweden, UK and USA: http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/regementen_military%20ranks.htm

Haakan: A trivia question: The Battle of Lutzen (1632) stands out in military history
for a rare occurance. What is that occurance?

 

[Håkan Eriksson]

Originally posted by Andu Indorin:

Haakan: A trivia question: The Battle of Lutzen (1632) stands out in military history
for a rare occurance. What is that occurance?

I am not sure if it's wath yuou maen but The Swedish King Gustav II Adolf got killed during the battle. But when his troops heard about it they did not surender. Instead they fhought evenb harder and defeted the enemy army.

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[animepornstar]

unfortunatly we don´t read about charlemagne in school in sweden. i don´t know why.

 

[GenghisK]

But at least you know who he is. That's already a good point. Perhaps you're European.
I can remember once, I talked to an American tourist in Paris who asked me in French who was Charles de Gaulle. I answered in English of course... Anyway no comment on American people please

Fortunately, all the other American are quite great.

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[animepornstar]

history in swedish school is focused on the social life of some reason. americans... i don´t think they even know who zidane is.

 

[Loaf Warden]

I took an Advanced Placement European History class in high school, so I do have some little education on the subject, despite being American.

On another note, does anybody else think Charles "the Hammer" Martel would be a great name for a professional wrestler?

I'm kidding, of course. No flames, please.

 

[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson:
I am not sure if it's wath yuou maen but The Swedish King Gustav II Adolf got killed during the battle. But when his troops heard about it they did not surender. Instead they fhought evenb harder and defeted the enemy army.

Yes, that's pretty much the unique aspect of the battle. In military history (prior to 19th century), whenever a leader is slain in battle, the armies suffers a severe drop in morale, and will often rout as a consequence. That the army of Gustavus Adolphus took up the cry of revenge and preceded to win a battle that they were actually losing at the time of Adolphus's death is special tribute to the "Lion of the North" as one of the great leaders in military history; this in addition to his contributions to military organization, battlefield tactics, and military technology.

 

[Magnus]

Agreed, Andu Indorin, I think of Gustavus Adolphus as the first 'modern' general.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Lutzen was also notable for the combination of the onset of fog and Gustav Adolf's death stopping the completion of what was until then a perfect example of turning the flank, and subsequent encirclement.
"The tactic of enveloping a single flank entails engaging the enemy's attention with diversions, such as skirmishing or artillery fire, in one sector of the field before launching the main attack elsewhere...at Lutzen, Gustavus's initial succes could not be exploited at the crucial moment, when the manoeuvre seemed on the point of achieving its aim, because fog suddenly came down."
(Battles of the Great Commanders,Anthony Livesey,p.56)
Thus we see that the tactic of encirlement, as best done at Cannae by Hannibal, has been successfully and unsuccessfully emulated throughout history. Has there ever been such a battle that spawned such a change in tactics and warfare? Opinions please.

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[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Magnus:
Agreed, Andu Indorin, I think of Gustavus Adolphus as the first 'modern' general.

Agreed. Arguably, the general who defined modern tactics. Adjustments to the musket, admustments and standardization to field artillery, and the developemant formations to start exploit the firepower of the musket (i.e., linear tactics) ... way ahead of his time, and defining the future of warfare. All the more credit to his leadership and an army that raised the cry of vengence.

Originally posted by Simon Darksdale: Lutzen was also notable for the combination of the onset of fog and Gustav Adolf's death stopping the completion of what was until then a perfect example of turning the flank, and subsequent encirclement.
"The tactic of enveloping a single flank entails engaging the enemy's attention with diversions, such as skirmishing or artillery fire, in one sector of the field before launching the main attack elsewhere...at Lutzen, Gustavus's initial succes could not be exploited at the crucial moment, when the manoeuvre seemed on the point of achieving its aim, because fog suddenly came down."
(Battles of the Great Commanders,Anthony Livesey,p.56)
Thus we see that the tactic of encirlement, as best done at Cannae by Hannibal, has been successfully and unsuccessfully emulated throughout history. Has there ever been such a battle that spawned such a change in tactics and warfare? Opinions please.

Agreed as well.

Wallerstein's Imperial army was more or less entrenched (winter quarters); and still, the Swedes -- outnumbered against an entrenched enemy -- managed to win the battle. (As far as I've read, Thirty Years War politics and logistics more or less required Gustavus Adolphus -- "The Midnight Lion" -- to attack what was essentially an entrenched position; and the battle was won over one of the more enterprising, and tactically compatent, bastard's -- Wallerstein -- in the history of warfare. Another reason that the Battle of Lutzen will never repeated in annales of military history again.



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[animepornstar]

could gustav II adolf be a viking war hero, or what ever firaxis calls them, in civ3 or isn´t he viking enough?