Milarqui
Deity
Actually, can we do the elections before starting to discuss what to do in the next season? Once we get that part done, then we can begin to plan what to do in Autumn.
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Tsoate
Prince
Do we really need elections?
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
I agree here. We are a colony of less than 100 people. I think what we don't need is one man trying to act as a ruler over us all.
Milarqui
Deity
We have (at least) 2 candidates to Mayor, who is pretty much the guy that is going to be directing the colony's policy and resource expenditure. So far, I've been doing that, but just provisionally, until the Mayor was actually chosen.
So, yeah, I think we need elections. It's going to be the only way to ensure there isn't a clusterf**k when two people try to give contradictory orders, like it happened in the last season.
Tsoate
Prince
Well I can't see the point of the NES if we have an elected leader.
"directing the colony's policy and resource expenditure"
What else is there to do in this NES?
I am not going to vote for either of you. I agree with SamSniped.
"directing the colony's policy and resource expenditure"
What else is there to do in this NES?
I am not going to vote for either of you. I agree with SamSniped.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
Do not vote. The people will vote. You just want anarchy to rule over our colony. You are really a traitor to our people.
Tsoate
Prince
No, I just want the council that it currently is (us pcs) rather than picking one of us as king.
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
Once again, I agree.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
You will not pick a King. Elections will take place every 4 turns.
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
And what is wrong with our current system, may I ask?
Milarqui
Deity
Sure, let's do it your way. No Mayor, just a lot of people discussing what to do.
And then, when you say "Hey, I need a couple of builders to make sure that the mine doesn't fall on us", the others will say "Sorry, mate, we need all of the builders to build a secondary wall that will protect our farmlands," and then you'll say "Damn, I wish I had accepted having a mayor, we could use him to determine who gets what."
Or, the people from the Empire could come and ask "Who is your leader?" You'll answer "We have no leader, we are just ruled by a council." And then one of the Emperor's representatives will say "Well, since there is no leader, the Emperor has authorized me to become the Governor of this colony, with full powers, and if anyone has anything to say then tell those soldiers, who have been authorized to kill anyone that speaks out of turn." And then you'll say "Damn, why didn't I accept having a Mayor? He actually said that we would have a chance to speak out and make our points!" And then the Governor will have you killed for speaking out of turn.
See? Better someone you know you can negotiate with than either a bunch of someones that you can't be 100% sure will work to make sure you get something or someone that will outright ignore you and choose to maximize the benefits for the Empire while not caring about our own needs.
Also, let me point out that the current system has been basically me doing exactly what I have suggested for the Mayor position. Having elections would change nothing, save making sure there wouldn't be any problems with taking the important decisions and, at the same time, ensuring that no one becomes an all-powerful overlord.
And then, when you say "Hey, I need a couple of builders to make sure that the mine doesn't fall on us", the others will say "Sorry, mate, we need all of the builders to build a secondary wall that will protect our farmlands," and then you'll say "Damn, I wish I had accepted having a mayor, we could use him to determine who gets what."
Or, the people from the Empire could come and ask "Who is your leader?" You'll answer "We have no leader, we are just ruled by a council." And then one of the Emperor's representatives will say "Well, since there is no leader, the Emperor has authorized me to become the Governor of this colony, with full powers, and if anyone has anything to say then tell those soldiers, who have been authorized to kill anyone that speaks out of turn." And then you'll say "Damn, why didn't I accept having a Mayor? He actually said that we would have a chance to speak out and make our points!" And then the Governor will have you killed for speaking out of turn.
See? Better someone you know you can negotiate with than either a bunch of someones that you can't be 100% sure will work to make sure you get something or someone that will outright ignore you and choose to maximize the benefits for the Empire while not caring about our own needs.
Also, let me point out that the current system has been basically me doing exactly what I have suggested for the Mayor position. Having elections would change nothing, save making sure there wouldn't be any problems with taking the important decisions and, at the same time, ensuring that no one becomes an all-powerful overlord.
Tsoate
Prince
Anyway, this is all dead in the water, only yourself and Christos want to vote, myself and Sam don't. You can both give yourself 1 vote and call it a draw. Unless I am mistaken, no one else is really playing.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
I will give my vote to Milarqui in order to be able to create a strong government.
Tsoate
Prince
Well long live the King, voted into power by the resident village idiot!
Milarqui
Deity
Corrected, to ensure reality is achieved in your commentary
Tsoate
Prince
har-de-har 
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
/sighs
Milarqui
Deity
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
Alright, that's actually getting to a borderline insult, buddy. I care about our little colony just as much as you. I don't think we need a mayor, though.
Milarqui
Deity
Why don't we need a mayor? Just because you say so?
Not sure if you have noticed this, but the situation before this autumn was pretty much me suggesting a plan of action for the season and then, as you and a few others made suggestions, I improved them based on them. The only thing that is changing now is that the one person making the proposals has some authority, and can be changed every year if it is felt s/he isn't doing a good job.
So, please, instead of saying "No, no, no, there is no need for a mayor" without proof of why we don't need one, say "How much is going to change if we actually have a mayor?" and you'll realize the answer is "Little".
Also, do you remember when you said this?
You pretty much agreed that we needed someone to act as the Expedition Leader/Mayor. This sudden change of opinion worries me.
I'll soon make my Colony Charter proposal.
