The goodby of Chirac

[Steph]

I'm happy you're happy... And if I want to join Marla and you in the "10,000" clubs, I need to answer to all your message .

I wonder what idea of the French people we are giving to the rest of the world with our nitpicking....

 

[Serutan]

That nitpicking is not a monopoly of native English speakers

And thanks for your reply about the parties. BTW, I was in France for both rounds of the 2002 presidential elections.
It was quite fascinating to see how it worked. And amusing to see how the leftist parties torpedoed themselves by having so many first round candidates.

 

[Masquerouge]

That nitpicking is not a monopoly of native English speakers

And thanks for your reply about the parties. BTW, I was in France for both rounds of the 2002 presidential elections.
It was quite fascinating to see how it worked. And amusing to see how the leftist parties torpedoed themselves by having so many first round candidates.

Though to be honest the saddest/funniest torpedoing always happen within the Green party. It's stuff worth of the best Asterix comics.

 

[Yeeek]

I'm sick of politicians. I'm sick of politics as a whole. I hardly believe any of the most mediatized candidates have anything but a personal agenda.

I will most likely end up voting for Royal at the 2nd turn, err, round? Ballot? Primary? You pick. If she goes against Sarkozy, that is. Although I don't see how politics in France will have a new kick in with her at the head of state. The party she's representing has nothing new and so are their ideas. I don't buy the "because i'm a woman everything will change" speech.

I will vote for Bayrou at the first turn. That's for sure. Having him at the 2nd turn, if it does happens, will be a slap in the face for either Sarko or Royal. That alone is enjoyable.

 

[MCdread]

I'm happy you're happy... And if I want to join Marla and you in the "10,000" clubs, I need to answer to all your message .

I wonder what idea of the French people we are giving to the rest of the world with our nitpicking....

At least in CFC we already got used to it, I guess.

Btw, continuing with the initial question but extending it to the other main candidates:

- Sarkozy is portrayed a bit like Bush by our media, as our correspondents in France are all left wingers : he's a danger that must be stopped.

- Royal has mixed views: on one hand theres seems to be a desire to laud her, but on the other hand, as she has no ideas and says nothing, there's nothing to say about... When she finally announced his program, the columns of opinion that I read and that had anything to say about that mostly accused her of demagogy and void promises. So, it's going down.

- Bayrou was unnoticed until last week or two, and now seems to be occupying the sympathy spot it was supposed to be reserved for Royal. They're now noticing that he's not as refreshing as it looked like, but still going up.

 

[Masquerouge]

I will vote for Bayrou at the first turn. That's for sure. Having him at the 2nd turn, if it does happens, will be a slap in the face for either Sarko or Royal. That alone is enjoyable.

Much better having Bayrou as an upset than having "le borgne"

 

[Urederra]

I'm not interested in something specific, just wanted to know if this kind of info was reported outside of France

He hit the news in Spain.

 

[kryszcztov]

I guess everyone hears what he wants to hear anyway. When I listen to his speeches, I think he is rather fair.

I think he is a moron. He always goes on about rewarding the good people and being cruel to the bad people. We're not electing a police officer, we're electing a President, whose first mission is to lead all his people. Sarkozy doesn't like the bad people, and offers no solution to help them. Basically his message is "Don't fool me or else I'll crush you !". This is definitely not what I want to hear from a President. Plus, the way he treats the youngsters : "racaille", "Kärcher", etc... A real President can't say such things, that can't be right. Plus, I don't like how he meets Tom Cruise at Bercy.

One example, when some people were illegaly occupying a building and were put out by the police, they were relocated in a sport facility.
The socialists were shouting that it was immoral, that the government had to do something immediatelyfor these poor guys.
The answer of Sarkozy was "There are some people who have been on the waiting list for new social appartments for months. Would it be fair to make them even longer, and give the priority to the others, simply because they had some famous singers or politicians coming to see them at their sport facility? Should we give special treatment for the one who make it to the news, or be fair for everyone?"

The fairest thing should have been for him and his cronies to resign. Incapable government, which got the Referendum, the suburbs riots and the CNE against itself in less than 12 months. Note : you seem to be in the system, as the only thing you can find is to argue that the socialists are even worse, according to you. Are there only 2 ways in our country ? Do you suppose I'm a socialist because I don't like Sarkozy ? But you have to realize that a LOT of French people hate him.

About Bayrou, I'm afraid his idea of making a union government with both ring and left will be very difficult.

De Gaulle tried it just after the war, with people from every side. It didn't work so well. And I doubt Bayrou is playing in the same league as De Gaulle was.

I doubt we're in as large a crisis as we were in 1945 and 1958, despite what Bayrou says. And you nailed it : it will be difficult. But that's precisely because it will be difficult that it can work in the end. Do you expect Sarkozy to save the country with his magic wand ?

 

[kryszcztov]

I'm happy you're happy... And if I want to join Marla and you in the "10,000" clubs, I need to answer to all your message .

I wonder what idea of the French people we are giving to the rest of the world with our nitpicking....

Well, for a start, stop spreading lies to the CFC crowd. Sarkozy isn't the only one who has a program ! I guess you only listen and read what you want...

And if this election resembles a "plébiscite" for or against Sarkozy, that's basically his own fault (or chance) : he has been everywhere in the media for years, to the point that we all already knew he would be candidate when Villepin was not even Premier Sinistre.

 

[Steph]

. Plus, the way he treats the youngsters : "racaille", "Kärcher", etc...

That was said about specific youngsters who are criminals. How do you call a youngster who attacks a old woman to steel a few euros for instance?
I have no problem with them being called racaille, that's what they are.

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The fairest thing should have been for him and his cronies to resign. Incapable government, which got the Referendum,

Wasn't their an internal referendum for the socialists where they noted FOR the referendum? Should all the socialists resign to?
If the government should resign any time the French people vote without really thinking about what they are doing, we would have new prime minister everytime there's election.

. the suburbs riots

Should a government resign when a few people riots? No, they should do their job and duty, stay there and put an end to the riots.

and the CNE against itself

First, it was the CPE, not the CNE. Second, you say Sarkozy should have resign because of it. But he did not support it very strongly.
Third, did it occured to you that the system may have been a good idea?
Fourth, the kind of government you are promoting is an anarchy. We are in a Republic, where they elect people to do their job for 5 years. If we don't like it at the end, we can vote for someone else. If every time a part of the French are against a reform the government has to resign, then it's an anarchy, as you'll always find some French against any reform.

in less than 12 months.

The referendum was scheduled in accordance with other European referendum, so the closeness of such events in time is rather irrelevant.
As are the riots, started by 3 kinds who had the good idea to electrocute themselves, and good a plate at their memory for that

Note : you seem to be in the system, as the only thing you can find is to argue that the socialists are even worse, according to you.

I said I don't trust Segolene Royal as a president to lead a country, take decisions when they are needed, and she's an hypocrit. I don't think she would make a good president. I would never vote for her. I could vote for other socialists, but not for her.