My point is saying something is "associated with the supernatural" or "presumptively supernatural" is meaningless because supernatural is a nothing term. Actually no, it is worse than nothing. It is prescribing an explanation where one admitted there is no explanation.
It's quackery. Like pseudo-science, ancient aliens, cryptozoology, all that garbage. E.g. aliens did it, ghosts did it, inter-dimensional beings did it, whatever.
The supernatural versus scientific explanation issue is muddied in this case because some people do attribute supernatural attributes to the hums.
Supernatural
can never be an explanation. That is the point.
There are plenty of unexplained phenomena that appear to be natural, like why the moon appears bigger when it is lower in the sky or how bumblebees stay aloft
We understand the physics of why these things occur. Much to the chagrin of some creationists. Nothing beyond the realm of nature is needed to explain these things. Nothing beyond the realm of nature is needed to explain
anything really. The question I would not criticize would be "are there limitations in our current understanding of nature that limit our ability to scientifically analyze the known universe," which is a perfectly fine question, but that is way different than just saying "it's supernatural!" Supernatural is a loaded term these days. It implies something permanently beyond our understanding. It's like a conspiracy theory. To proponents of conspiracy theories, evidence of the lack of a conspiracy is only further evidence that "something else" is at work that you do not understand.
and then there are some phenomena that are strongly associated with the supernatural, like the movement of the sun at Fatima.
Again--associated with the supernatural by those who want it to be the supernatural or simply are comfortable saying that the reason it happened was something that will permanently remain beyond our understanding of nature or whatever. For the sun and fatima thing, obviously, being an Official Catholic Miracle
(TM), we know why people want to ascribe a supernatural explanation there.
Like I said earlier, it's a personal decision to make that leap, just don't try and pass it off as logical or rational or whatever.
OK. But it is not an internet viral video what we have here. It is in the news around the world, there are lots of witness, an university studied it and failed to give any explanation, and even Canada government spent $60,000 to investigate it. So while there is not any explanation there is enough evidence of it being a real phenomenon in my opinion at least. Dont believe everybody will agree on what "enough evidence" is though.
First, the news stories all were basically reporting on the youtube videos, they were not actually investigating anything, so that is really meaningless. Witness the echo chamber in action. Second, two studies that failed to reach a conclusion (were they even really studying this phenomena specifically? Is this one phenomena?) does not mean people can still jump on the supernatural bandwagon. This goes for anything. Third, saying something is a phenomena doesn't mean much. Did these sounds happen? Sure, I will assume for the sake of argument that in several of those clips we are hearing a genuine deep, creepy sound that was not altered and for which no one has provided an adequate explanation. The Devil Ray's game was a pretty convincing piece of that clip, for one. I have heard Devil Rays games and those are the announcers. Certainly sounds like some weird creepy sound was going on there and I doubt the announcers are in on some elaborate hoax. But any further explanation I provide after that is going to be pure speculation. Yes, it is fun to think of what it could be, and provide some sort of fun speculative "supernatural" explanation in my mind, but I know that is me entertaining myself. Nothing more.
