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Discussion in 'CivBE - General Discussions' started by Maximus_Light, Aug 13, 2015.

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  1. Veras

    Veras Prince

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    In the case of being a sea warmonger, I expect the last leader to be some kind of Admiral
     
  2. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    +1 for that!
     
  3. Cerilis

    Cerilis Not Warlord

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    ADMIRAL YAMASASHI OF THE PACIFIC FLEET FEDERATION REPORTING IN. DID SOMEBODY ORDER FRIED ALIEN SHRIMPS?!

    I want him to have a monocle and a peaked cap.
     
  4. Halbbruder

    Halbbruder Prince

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    It won't be for 2 reasons.

    1. We've already got 5 male leaders and 6 female leaders. So if we're following equality logic here, next leader is going to be a male.

    2. Being a cyborg, it presupposes that she is following supremacy affinity and no other affinity.

    Of course, you could be joking, but I can't quite tell, since "it better be" adds some serious tone to your message. So just saying.
     
  5. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    Maybe it's a female-bodied robot that identifies as a male. I'd be fine with that (if her ... ehh... his voice is female, too).

    And not all cyborgs are affiliated with Supremacy, I beg to differ. That's just a stereotype.
     
  6. Halbbruder

    Halbbruder Prince

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    Yes, I'm sure a cyborg will fit in perfectly in either a harmony, purity or harmony/purity society. Even in a purity/supremacy society, he'd still raise some eye brows because the society is humans as masters and robots as slaves. They may be concerned with augmentation even though I mainly see that hybrid as like a deus ex compromise. The discrimination would be so immense, the cyborg would just decide to end himself by pulling out his source of power.
     
  7. Veras

    Veras Prince

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    It could be a transgender, maybe. Actually, in the case of the new leaders having quotes, his overcoming of the biological sex and subsequent transformation would give a great background to talk about perfectioning (Purity), adaptation (Harmony) and improvement (Supremacy)
     
  8. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    A society that has cyborgs before leaving earth would probably have a different view of what purity is. If you start off with a cyborg as a leader and that leader gets you where you end up, I don't think people would suddenly start discriminating against her.

    Not that I'm being at all serious, but I could see a society that already starts out on a different level than the other Civilizations find more technological-biased approaches that would still fall within the design of the other affinities. The flavor texts for quests would probably not fit 100%, but other than that I wouldn't see it as too much of a problem.
     
  9. Sunergy

    Sunergy Chieftain

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    That's a really good point. I personally doubt Firaxis would push the envelope in that way, but now I really wish they would. Some bold lifestyle choices on behalf of the leaders would spice up Beyond Earth's vision of the future a little.
     
  10. Halbbruder

    Halbbruder Prince

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    Well there is that affinity quest (one of the crashed satellite ones) where you get the choice to house augmented people whose ship crashed for purity or supremacy levels and then the choice to revert the augmented people back to their human selves. So that may imply some technology to replicate/clone a human body including organs and then either removal of all mechanical parts to be placed with attached flesh, with the issue of different blood types and auto-immune diseases resolved, or some ability to shift a person's mind in some mechanical brain to a replicated human brain. I'd assume the former in this case.

    As for cyborg societies who arrive on the new planet, supremacy would be the definition of purity for them, because they've already made the transition and will be arguing to stay the course, as purists argue for humans. However, when you consider the purity victory, the earthlings would be like "didn't you guys used to be cyborgs? What made you change your minds?" :confused: Because purity generally is about tradition and in this case, the cyborg society would revert back to humanity to follow a tradition they once rejected.

    The biggest thing would be trying to explain the shift from supremacy to harmony (hybrids aside) though as an initial cyborg. It's basically a shift from terrain independence and mechanical body to terrain immersion/dependence and return to flesh. If you're already a cyborg, it seems very counter-intuitive to revert, unless this topic becomes similar to talking about transgender people...so in this case, a person created as a cyborg when young but wants to be a human who is altered to adapt to the planet.

    Still, I doubt they'll add a cyborg leader/society as last sponsor. If I am wrong, then the cyborgs would have to be very rudimentary, otherwise the irony and transition would be so great for some choices. The affinities would mean the following to initial cyborgs:
    - Harmony: nope, this cyborg stuff doesn't work. My robotic lungs are bugged in this planet. Let's go harmony so I can no problems with the miasma.
    - harmony/purity: We made the completely wrong choice about cyborgs. Full stop. (imagine a radical ideological shift from socialist to neoliberal or vice versa)
    - harmony/supremacy: we're only made slight alterations. We just need this flesh to be genetically altered to the planet and our mechanical attachments to be upgraded.
    - purity/supremacy: I think we've done enough augmentation. Let's just focus on upgrading AI for our robots.
    - Purity: nope, this cyborg stuff doesn't work. Being human was the right choice all along.
    - Supremacy: let's keep augmenting.

    Choosing an affinity, namely supremacy and harmony in this case, should not bring these negative connotations of "we got it wrong". For humans, it was natural, it was history and for harmony and supremacy, you argue for radical change. You can't argue that humans got it wrong because they were born this way. For cyborgs, the change between 2000-2600AD would be either a complete or partial waste of time and resources when picking purity and harmony.
     
  11. iki

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    I know that's a joke but +1
     
  12. Ryika

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    Like I said, the Affinities would probably have different meanings for those people. And for a Civilization that "begins" as Cyborgs there may very well be reasons to not go full augmentation. If you think that a Civilization that has Cyborgs at some point in time "automatically" develops to become pure Supremacy, then Supremacy/Harmony doesn't make sense as a whole, because it's the exact antithesis of that idea.

    So what could affinities look like from their perspective?
    Purity would obviously not be "Let's all be Fleshlings!", but rather something like "Let's value the current mix of robotic and human elements over becoming too robotic."
    Purity/Supremacy would work just fine as "Our human elements make us superior to these robots."
    Harmony/Supremacy would add Alien Genes to replace their human elements where they find them superior
    Harmony/Purity would be about the same as it is for anyone.
    Harmony may be a bit of a difficult one, but in the end it would probably work out as "Adapting to this planet is just so much more efficient than fighting it".
     
  13. Gilleous

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    Also, you have Purity Quests about restoring the Humanity of altered people. So a cyborg's leader going Purity could have some of their parts being replaced with cloned tissue, or the cybernetics become more aestheticly blending with the human form.
     
  14. gunnergoz

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    Well, we always have the Ethiopian Maritime Pirate faction to consider... :D
     
  15. iki

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    Led by an American child perhaps?
     
  16. Barathor

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    Regarding the "mystery" sponsor's *cough*Japan*cough* water-oriented trait, an idea came to mind after a recent discussion here.

    If it's not an aggressive trait that gives some bonus to their naval units, perhaps it's something that helps with food out at sea and their cities' growth, since other factions' water cities are hindered in that area (Just like they're hindered defensively and in acquiring tiles -- which NSA helps with). That would definitely feel very Japanese; they would know best how to thrive off of the sea. Actually, Japan and South Korea, when combined, probably rank pretty high on any world list which measures average consumption of seafood (probably not the top, though, with anything including Iceland and/or Maldives).

    Or maybe it could be a mix, similar to Civ 5's Japan. Maybe they get a bit of a bonus to naval units (fight at full strength? haha) and also +1 F from Algae, Chelonia, Shells (Snails), Plankton (Jellyfish), and Eggs.

    EDIT: Actually, that would probably be hard to level-up with diplomatic capital, plus the text explaining the ability would look a bit verbose and ugly with all those fonticons. And a +% Growth modifier to their water cities would also be too similar to Barre's version when healthy, even if it was a higher percentage and active even when unhealthy.
     
  17. SupremacyKing2

    SupremacyKing2 Deity

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    Pete Murray just replied to my tweet:

     
  18. Cerilis

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    A very helpful response. :p
     
  19. Red Menace

    Red Menace Prepare to be Menaced

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    stop asking questions.
    I can guarantee that if you that if you drive a car wheels will move, you needed me to say that or it might not be guaranteed.:crazyeye:

    eh, who am I kidding I would've said the same thing I do it everyday. :lol:
    No THE most helpful response
     
  20. Westwall

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    The next 16 days includes the release date.

    Thanks Pete.

    That was about as useful as if you didn't post anything at all.

    I'd expect nothing less from the most infuriating person in the livestreams.

    "Don't hurt the aliens!"
     
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