The least deserving civilization?

[azzaman333]

The same bias can be said for most Europeans thinking the US doesn't deserve to be called a "Civilization"... It's very popular to be anti-American these days!

Fun too.

 

[frekk]

Thanks for being so observant. Did you know, you left out the tail end of my post when you quoted me as well .

Just for brevity, not to make it appear you said anything different from what you did. There's a right way to paraphrase and a dishonest way; paraphrasing isn't bad all by itself, otherwise we'd never be able to quote sections from a book or article.

Maybe you'd have a similar attitude if you had to read through anti-Wherever-you're-from posts.

Right, because you're the most maligned people on Earth and nobody else ever has their country dumped on.

Like I said, it's the knee-jerk assumption of persecution that's the problem. Some people wouldn't catch half as much flak as they do, if they didn't thrive on it, didn't create victimhood for leverage.

 

[EweezE]

Just for brevity, not to make it appear you said anything different from what you did. There's a right way to paraphrase and a dishonest way; paraphrasing isn't bad all by itself, otherwise we'd never be able to quote sections from a book or article.

I know how to paraphrase, and I included the punctuation. His sentence was over. I'm responding to that sentence. I'm not concerned with what his next sentence goes on to say. Paraphrased it, the same way you left out some of my original post. Do not insinuate that I paraphrased someone dishonestly when I did not. If you can't think of anything to say, do not proceed to spread untruths.

 

[frekk]

I know how to paraphrase, and I included the punctuation. His sentence was over. I'm responding to that sentence. I'm not concerned with what his next sentence goes on to say. Paraphrased it, the same way you left out some of my original post. Do not insinuate that I paraphrased someone dishonestly when I did not. If you can't think of anything to say, do not proceed to spread untruths.

You completely altered the sense of what he was saying, which is not a proper paraphrase or fair quote. It has nothing to do with sentence structure (and anyway, an ellipsis: ... is not the end of a sentence).

 

[EweezE]

You completely altered the sense of what he was saying, which is not a proper paraphrase or fair quote. It has nothing to do with sentence structure

I did not rearrange his words or commit any such foul. Go back and reread the post if you'd like.

(and anyway, an ellipsis: ... is not the end of a sentence).

That's debatable.


I fear this topic might have gone a tad off course thanks to that German. frekk, you are crazy! Stop trying to get in the last word. (j/k) Thread creator, sorry but this is all your fault. You brought this one on yourself. If America were included in the poll then these people could have voiced their view (possibly) without instigating a mid-thread detour. It's over though now; I think. Carry on. The least deserving civilization...

 

[Huayna Capac357]

There should be hundreds of civs, but I voted for Zulus and HRE.

 

[jorissimo]

the least deserving i think are trade civs like portugal and netherlands, their peoples did nothing but were living at the junction of trade routes, thus became rich.

The Netherlands was the first country with free religion and free press and it was one of the first republics.

That is not nothing.

 

[Turquoiside]

Time to get it all out of my system.

Japan: Didn't really do much. China and Korea pushed them off, and they just existed, and pretty loosely until Yamato and then Tokugawa. They are, however more deserving then Korea and America.

Korea: I can't say much for this because I don't really know much about Korean History.

Aztec: Not a true entity, really just a bunch of loose city-states that were easily collapsed by the Spanish Conquistadors. Really a terror of Meso-America.

Maya: They made grand cultural acheivements, the main reason they deserve to be in the game. I think they are only slightly less deserving than Inca. a true empire.

Vikings: Really "Fanservice" here. They were loose villages that raided Medieval Europe, not much cultural landmarks.

Carthage: Might be deserving as they were Rome's main early threat. But that is all they were. They had a few towns, but were in truth an "Early Rome", that couldn't beat the budding Latins.

Byzantium: Very deserving to me, though probably because I just like them. They conquered almost as much as Rome, and lived 1000 years after Rome's Fall. They built the Hagia Sophia, and made Constantinople the center of World Culture.

Native America: I'm against this mainly because of how general it is. Besides, poorly named cities, if they had called them the Sioux, I still probably would be against it because they really just were "The Last Natives". The Iroquois would be deserving, as they were a solid government of tribes, sort of like a more stable form of the Aztecs, though they too were broken by the British and colonist.

 

[Balderstrom]

@ NarutoAvatarDBZ - do you really know about the Aztecs? Archelogical and Historical evidence indicates they were as impressive and relevant in this hemisphere as the Egyptians were over in the other side of the world.

just a bunch of loose city-states that were easily collapsed by the Spanish Conquistadors

Small Pox and plague aren't very nice things now are they.

 

[ICNP]

I voted for the Maya mainly because they just died for no apparent reason.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

I voted for the Maya mainly because they just died for no apparent reason.

Well, a massive drought for 50 years coupled with horrific moral decay will do that...

 

[AfterShafter]

The Netherlands was the first country with free religion and free press and it was one of the first republics.

That is not nothing.

Yeah, but you guys have herring vendors on the street and eat pancakes for dinner. -1 point for the weirdness factor

 

[Stoney the I]

dont forget the mayonaise on the fries hehe

 

[Turquoiside]

@ NarutoAvatarDBZ - do you really know about the Aztecs? Archelogical and Historical evidence indicates they were as impressive and relevant in this hemisphere as the Egyptians were over in the other side of the world.

Small Pox and plague aren't very nice things now are they.

The Aztecs may not be my strongest suit, but I think I know well enough to say that the Aztecs were very loose, and well hated. Small Pox epidemics did contribute, that you are right. But the Conquistadors still, though on accident, still defeated them with ease on the 2nd try. Never heard of them as equalivent to Egypt. The Aztecs had culture: language, social systems, and religon, the foundations for civilization, a start. I think they were destroyed to early while they were really starting to build on their culture and religon when Spain destroyed them. As I said earlier, they were loose, almost as loose as Holy Rome. The components shared culture yet resented united rule and didn't want Aztec control, rather either independence or control themselves. The Aztecs did king of grab many areas under their rule . I voted all civs deserve to be in it, but some deserve more than others. I think most people say the Aztecs only because they were Mesoamerican.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

The Netherlands was the first country with free religion and free press and it was one of the first republics.

That is not nothing.

Netherlands has a legacy 1st of one of the first Renaissance-d countries, then as a massive trading as well as military empire, then as the first nation-state and representative democracy (not counting the Iceland, Iroquois, Rome, etc) and now as a liberal democracy welcoming all different types of people. The Netherlands has been extremely important to world history.

 

[Turquoiside]

Ummmm Egypt was the first Nation-State. . Dutch are kind of late.

 

[King Kalmah]

Byzantium: Very deserving to me, though probably because I just like them. They conquered almost as much as Rome, and lived 1000 years after Rome's Fall. They built the Hagia Sophia, and made Constantinople the center of World Culture

Goood for them.....

but why do you badmouth Japan.??

You are a DBZ/Naruto blah blah fan right?

Japan gave us Anime

Japan had religon and fuedal system close to what Europe had and they were how many miles a part.....?

I know it isn't hard to build a castle and have a warload conquor you,but the samurai/feudal systems in place were amazing considering the country of Japan is almost entirely isolationist throughout much of its history....

how can you learn/copy another country when its just you and China and maybe Korea..

Also the only reason it isn't more powerful is because your right...during much of their history it was a bunch of tribes/groups fighting for control and it took 2,000 years before anybody wielding enough power had come to the stage and united Japan.......

Your also talking about the only nation to ever be Nuked,,,,America did not want to invade beacuse we would have lost as many soldiers as the Russians...well maybe not 5 million but eaily 2.5 million would have been lost....

Japan had power and had economic power,,,its fading into the sunset and even though I'm an America I also see America doing similar in the future...

 

[frog3]

Probably the Native americans, which isn't a civ. Didn't take advantage of all their natural resources. No technology and completly obliterated by superior civilizations.

 

[King Kalmah]

Probably the Native americans, which isn't a civ. Didn't take advantage of all their natural resources. No technology and completly obliterated by superior civilizations.

They respected/protected mother Earth and only took from her what they needed

Some tribes had confedrations and even Treaties among themselves...

(how did they do that?build the oracle and get the free tech of Constitution?)


I gues the tribes had technology cause they had masonry for some of the stone buildings and hunting/pottery for making huts and a religous system....hmm no one remembers the totem pole?

I'll admit though when a strnger comes with cannons and guns and all you have is sticks and horses....that stranger is Superior but only in terms of military might....

 

[Turquoiside]

Byzantium: Very deserving to me, though probably because I just like them. They conquered almost as much as Rome, and lived 1000 years after Rome's Fall. They built the Hagia Sophia, and made Constantinople the center of World Culture

Goood for them.....

but why do you badmouth Japan.??

You are a DBZ/Naruto blah blah fan right?

Japan gave us Anime

Japan had religon and fuedal system close to what Europe had and they were how many miles a part.....?

I know it isn't hard to build a castle and have a warload conquor you,but the samurai/feudal systems in place were amazing considering the country of Japan is almost entirely isolationist throughout much of its history....

how can you learn/copy another country when its just you and China and maybe Korea..

Also the only reason it isn't more powerful is because your right...during much of their history it was a bunch of tribes/groups fighting for control and it took 2,000 years before anybody wielding enough power had come to the stage and united Japan.......

Your also talking about the only nation to ever be Nuked,,,,America did not want to invade beacuse we would have lost as many soldiers as the Russians...well maybe not 5 million but eaily 2.5 million would have been lost....

Japan had power and had economic power,,,its fading into the sunset and even though I'm an America I also see America doing similar in the future...

Well, you are right on it being able to easily 'perfect' a government they had no idea existed on the other side of the Old World.

Yet, when you mentioned China and Korea being the only neighbors you were right. But they copied from China majorly, and of of Korea some as well. They adopted China's religion, technology, government, and took their written language, though they did develop this to fit their culture. Japan is more deserving than America, as they lasted and have a more unique culture than them.