In most cases, imagined, especially on the internet. Please discuss without posting at a Red Diamond level.
The misandry problem - real or imagined?
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Zack
99% hot gas
As a man posting on a forum that is 95% male, I feel persecuted. 5% of posters have 100% of the vaginas! We are the 95 percent!
In my bed, there are 2 or 3 vaginas to only 1 penis. Somehow I think I am doing this MRA thing wrong.
Senethro
Overlord
I do wonder at some peoples inability to think at scales beyond the personal. There seems to be an equating of white people getting called mean names to having your entire land stolen and most of your people exterminated because both are racism.
Also why do mens problems get brought up? Whats the implication? That issues women face are not so bad or are of secondary importance? Do they blame women for men raping men, men killing men, male religious authorities advocating circumcision etc
Also why do mens problems get brought up? Whats the implication? That issues women face are not so bad or are of secondary importance? Do they blame women for men raping men, men killing men, male religious authorities advocating circumcision etc
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Methinks this will get closed real quick.
Zack
99% hot gas
Is the fempire so strong?
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
No, but their vassals, the Politically Correct Republic have much influence here.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
Yes of course misandry exists, along with Big Foot, aliens, and Elvis Presley is of course eating cheese on the moon.
That said, just so this isn't pure spam, let me chime in with this- sexism and misogyny are different things. Society didn't discriminate against woman because men hated women. Society did so because men thought that woman were weak and women were convinced of this too. Men weren't the only ones opposed to the women's rights movement you know. That attitude is sexist. A misogynist straight up hates the female race and believes that pregnancy and obedience to their husband is a God given punishment.
So when men complain about how they feel that society oppresses them because their men, it really isn't misandry. And when they claim a certain person is harassing them because they're male that isn't misandry either. In many cases the poster isn't being targeted because they're men. They're being targeted because they have been a part of the dominant power structure for thousand's of years, and thus they have no right to but into issues that belong to minorities. Which is an unfortunate attitude, but it isn't misandry.
That said, just so this isn't pure spam, let me chime in with this- sexism and misogyny are different things. Society didn't discriminate against woman because men hated women. Society did so because men thought that woman were weak and women were convinced of this too. Men weren't the only ones opposed to the women's rights movement you know. That attitude is sexist. A misogynist straight up hates the female race and believes that pregnancy and obedience to their husband is a God given punishment.
So when men complain about how they feel that society oppresses them because their men, it really isn't misandry. And when they claim a certain person is harassing them because they're male that isn't misandry either. In many cases the poster isn't being targeted because they're men. They're being targeted because they have been a part of the dominant power structure for thousand's of years, and thus they have no right to but into issues that belong to minorities. Which is an unfortunate attitude, but it isn't misandry.
aelf
Ashen One
Yeah, this is a big problem in discussing this issue. Attempts to discuss serious problems with discrimination often get derailed by people keen to place less pervasive and less structural discrimination at centre stage as well, or to reverse the conversation entirely by claiming that discussing long-standing discrimination is itself discriminatory against whoever.
It's no wonder the discussion often breaks down, and the MRAs and majority rights advocates employ this tactic very successfully while oftentimes masquerading as objective voices of reason (cue a certain character whose handle refers to agricultural work).
Pointless loops. There is no reason for any sane person to care about how a few continents away, x race was brought from Africa to the colonies. In the US itself there is some reason to, but a negative one, namely that group played against group (and not just 'racial') is the order of the day, so that corrupt people rise to the top for their own sad reasons.
Time to move on. It is ludicrous to argue that in a life of a few decades one should also think of obviously useless and false guilt, somehow inherited as if this was a new version of the fairy-tale 'original sin' in that bible book.
Time to move on. It is ludicrous to argue that in a life of a few decades one should also think of obviously useless and false guilt, somehow inherited as if this was a new version of the fairy-tale 'original sin' in that bible book.
Zack
99% hot gas
What does dismissing the effects of slavery out of hand have to do with this thread?
Other 'minorities' were also mentioned, in two posts before, so it is a generally tied issue for some people.
Have you checked your privilege?
Check your privilege
aelf
Ashen One
I do think Greeks need to check their privilege, since according to like everyone else in Europe, they've been living large on EU money.
Wolfbeckett
Jerkin' and nonsense.
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And here we have the classic example of why topics like this always derail into a flaming train wreck.
I have yet to see anyone on this forum say that the issues women face are not "as bad" as the issues men face. I think most reasonable people would probably agree that they are, in fact, worse, although how much worse seems to be a wide open debate.
I have yet to see anyone blaming women for the things men do to each other.
What I have seen in every topic like this is a bunch of "my way or the highway" thinking that seems to assume that humanity can only work on one problem at a time. Are there issues of men being treated unfairly in our society? Yes. Are there issues of women being treated unfairly in our society? Yes! Does that mean we can only talk about one of these issues at a time? A lot of people on this forum seem to think so, and as a result, no discussion can be had.
When I see posts that essentially boil down to "men still have it better than women, therefore all discussion of injustices against men = misogyny", I can't help but wonder what these people think of Alzheimer's reasearch. After all, Alzheimer's isn't as bad as cancer, so why the hell are we talking about it when cancer is still such a big problem? Of course nobody questions it because they realize that we can work on both diseases at the same time. Somehow the idea that we can do this with social issues too never seems to occur.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH!
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
So why interrupt a discussion about the one to bring up the other?
Because thats the context in which men problems are brought up most often - in discussions of feminism and women's right.
If we can tackle both, why not create a separate discussion for them?
(Not including this discussion)
Because thats the context in which men problems are brought up most often - in discussions of feminism and women's right.
If we can tackle both, why not create a separate discussion for them?
(Not including this discussion)
Of course men's problems are brought up during a discussions of feminism and women's problems. They're two sides of the same coin, gender stereotypes and expectations and double standards, etc. – and feminism proclaims to care for both of them. Maybe if feminism stopped claiming to be for the equality of both sexes, problems of both sexes would stop being brought up, and they could go back to only caring about one.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
But feminism DOES care about the equality of both sexes; it is equally interested in seeing the destruction of "traditional gender" roles.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Well if we're going to go by actions, MRAs have been totally useless in trying to get any sort of change, be it cultural or legal.
