The Mongols! - The Devil's Horsemen!

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composed of seperate parts of article written by Originally written by David Kuijit into one super article form by me :)


"The Scourge of Heaven," "The Devil's Horsemen", "The Golden Horde"....these are just a few of the names assigned to the Mongols and/or their constituent parts. Highly disciplined horsemen capable of employing both shock and harrassing tactics and skilled in the arts of feint and ambush, the Mongol armies conquered all that they encountered, assimilating all that they found useful. Predominant for nearly 150 years, their conquests covered almost all of Asia, the mid-East, and Eastern Europe.

The initial expansion of the Mongols was perhaps one of, if not the most devastating and successful series of invasions in such a short period of time by one "nation" in history. The list of nations and kingdoms they crushed goes on and on. The conquered the Hsia-hsia, Khwarizm, the Abassid Caliphate, Georgia, the Alans, the Kipchaks, the Ghuzz, the Volga Bulgars. They conquered the Russian Principalities in the winter. They conquered the Sung, Korea, the Seljuq Sultanate. In a huge raid to divert attention from an invasion of Hungary they shattered the Poles and Teutonic Knights at Leignitz; at the same time their invasion force in Hungary shattered and obliterated a feudal force twice their size in the battle of Mohi. The Mongols fought battles as far south as Annam (modern Vietnam) and Burma, as far east as Korea and Japan.

News of the death of their Khan caused the Mongols to turn around when they were within a few hundred miles of Venice and Vienna. Similar news caused them to withdraw from an invasion of Egypt; the forces they left behind in Syria were soundly thrashed by the Mamlukes in a rare defeat. An invasion of Japan was stopped only by nature, as a tremendous storm shattered their invasion fleet.

Outnumbered in every battle, they won through toughness, discipline, ruthlessness, and planning. They investigated their neighbours thoroughly, spread propoganda to demoralize them, and exploited any weakness or dissension. During a period when most Kings were glad if their nobles would obey a direct command without debate, Mongol commanders would think nothing of planning and sending forces out on independent maneuvers that took days, weeks, or months to execute.

Army Notes

-Cavalry: The strike arm of a Mongol army is their heavy cavalry. Many of them would have armour and a lance to supplement their bow and sabre. Some would even have horse armour. Armour would be lamellar with the plates made of iron (described in some sources as very brightly polished), or of leather hardened and waterproofed with pitch. (very similer to Byzantine armour...:lol: :crazyeye: :hmm: )

-Light Horse: the bulk of Mongol troops were unarmoured light horsemen, armed with bow and a sword or axe or similar handweapon; often with a lassoo as well. The prototypical Mongol army fighting in the west would have as many light horse elements as possible.

-Spear: The Mongols often dismounted and fought behind large pavises in siege operations. In open battles in Europe they always fought mounted, however. The justification for the Spear elements is in their warfare in the Orient, especially in the invasions of Japan, where they used large numbers of Korean and Chinese foot equipped with large rectangular pavises of bamboo, and long spears. The spears in particular impressed the Japanese, and were important in the pre-eminence of the Yari in later Japan. Luckily, a sequence of illuminations were made soon after the first Mongol invasion, called the "Invasion Scroll". Most books on Japan at that period will have at least one picture from the Invasion Scroll.

-Bow: The Mongols seem to have dismounted their light horse to face elephants in Burma. In those battles they fought as infantry bow. I'm unaware of any other occasion when the Mongols fought as dismounted archers...

-Artillery: the Mongols used artillery in a number of field battles. The first illustration, anywhere, of an exploding gunpowder weapon is in the Invasion Scroll showing their assault on Japan. They used relatively fast-firing human-powered trebuchets that were also adopted by the Mamlukes, and also appear in the Maciejowsky Bible (Western European, c. 1250). In particular, they forced their way across the river Sajo against the Hungarians at the battle of Mohi with the aid of artillery, though this gun powder artillery was still not common in any stretch of the imagination.


Notes on Tactics
The army of the Mongols had a nearly untarnished record of victory. Their constant stream of victory, however, was due to systematic planning, reconnaisance of their foes, strategic mobility and initiative, propoganda, discipline, and many other factors that do not appear on the battlefield. In one case the Mongols spent nine consecutive days in feigned flight from a Muslim foe before regrouping and attacking their very shocked "pursuers".

As a Mongol commander, one would have his work cut out for him. Ghengis Khan was one of the most brilliant commanders of all time, and many of his commanders were also men of tremendous ability (notably the redoubtable Subodai, who may have even outshone Ghengis). When the sons of Ghenghis passed on, his grandsons were not so well served. Under later commanders, the ferocity of the Mongols was not enough to win them victories. The Golden Horde was feared in Russia, but no more than the Kipchak Turks that had preceded them there. The Ilkhanate of Persia only lasted about a century before collapsing to internal trouble. The Yuan Chinese Empire of Kublai Khan also lasted barely more than a century before a rebellion led by a peasant formed the Ming Empire. And the Chagatai Khanate sunk into the nomadic backwater it had been before Ghengis arose.

One interesting note, however -- even a century after the death of Ghengis' son Ogedai, the Chagatai Mongols were still tools that great commanders could devastate the world with. Timur the lame arose in the late 14th century as a commander among the Chagatai Mongols in Transoxiana; he used them as the core of an army that may have equalled or even exceeded that of Ghengis. With the Mongols as the core of his army he defeated the Delhi Sultanate, Islamic Persia, the Mamluke Egyptians, the Golden Horde, and shattered the Ottoman Sultanate under one of its greatest commanders, Bayezid "the Thunderbolt".

What does all this mean? It means that a good general who can use light horse adeptly can win with the Mongols, but one who cannot is going to have trouble. The Mongols are a maneuver army; you must use maneuver, outflanking, threats and confusion to keep your enemy off balance.


*all this said, even after my study on the mogols, i am still of firm opinion that 7 ou tof every 10 battles could have been won by Justino-Heraclean-Basillian Byzantine frield commanders, and forces.

*as an interesting note,in 1251 AD - 1556 AD)The Golden Horde was quite hostile to the Ilkhanids, and maintained an alliance with the Byzantines, against them for a very long time. :p
 
One thing that everybody tends to forget about the Mongols is....
....why did they suddenly explode onto the world's stage at the beginning of the 13th century?

They had lived on the plains of northern China for over a thousand years, so why didn't they conquer the world sooner?
It was certainly not because of any new technological or tactical improvements; they used the same weapons and tactics as the ancient Scythians, Parthians, Alans, Sarmatians, Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Khazars, Patzinaks, Cumans, Maygars, and Seljuk Turks, all of whom came before them.

I think that the answer to this question is that the Mongols at the very end of the 12th century possessed something that all these other horse archer tribes of the eastern steppes did not possess.....in a word, Temujin!

It was HE who forced the various mounted tribes of the region to unite together, and under his new title of Genghis Khan, used his iron will to enforce the strict discipline that made the Mongols the terrifyingly powerful force that they became.

So without this one man the Mongols, like all the previous mounted tribes of the far east, would have been nothing more than a bunch of bickering raiders, who only occasionally united to temporarily threaten the peace and security of their neighbours....as indeed did the Mongols themselves for the thousand years before he was born.

Without Temujin the Mongols would be just a footnote in the history of the world. With him, they were practically unstoppable. ;)
 
Good article Xen :)

:evil: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA :devil:

I think you should post an article about the Justino-Heraclean-Basillian Byzantine armies. I reckon the Mongols would have kicked their butt still...
 
I'll be sure to... ;) I'll also make a new NON VOTE based thread on the issue- such topics are best debated BEFOR a vote then a vote and then a debate... somthing I wish could be changed about the cfc voting system :(
 
What happened to the cataphracts? LOL j/k Good Read :goodjob:
 
Attila was the *Scourge of Rome* IIRC
 
...and the grass traversed by his horse was dead and brown...
 
Attilaa was DEFEATED by an PATRICIAN era army in conjunction with goths- NOT nearlly as effective in even degree of what a golden age Byazantine military machine could do...the army compisition differences are HUGE
 
:eek: you misspelled Byzantine :eek:
 
Originally posted by Xen
Attilaa was DEFEATED by an PATRICIAN era army in conjunction with goths- NOT nearlly as effective in even degree of what a golden age Byazantine military machine could do...the army compisition differences are HUGE

You mispelt Byzantine - I'll remember this. :lol: :evil:

I've heard of Atilla as the Whip of God, not the Scourge of God. Could it be localisation at work, or are people just making up their own names for him?
 
Originally posted by Xen
*as an interesting note,in 1251 AD - 1556 AD)The Golden Horde was quite hostile to the Ilkhanids, and maintained an alliance with the Byzantines, against them for a very long time. :p
The Golden Horde was of the lineage of Jochi, while the Ilkhans descended fr Hulagu, of the lineage of Tolui, and brother to Mongke and Khubilai. The Jochi lineage was always at odds with the other three lineages, 'cause Jochi was sidelined in the election for the Great Khan's position after the demise of GK. Reason cited was of his uncertain parentage (he was born after Bortei was rescued fr the Merkits); but was actually 'cause he was simply disliked by many Mongol lords.

In any case, the position went to Ogodei, Guyuk (Ogodei's son) and later on to Mongke, Tolui's eldest son. ;)
 
dosnt matter, there was still a Byzanteo-Mongol alliance :p

*I think Mongoloid cow, and Japanrocks need to BANNED for spamming the thread :p :D :evil:

Warned, for attempting to usurp mod authority. Restrictions are the complete province and at discretion of mods only; not to be joked about, esp in a topical forum. - XIII
 
Xen, I don't think the article about the Mongols which you have posted is your work.

The man who wrote it was David Kuijit of the University of Maryland in 1999

To see the original website containing this information click here.

This is an exert from Xen's article about the Mongols...

Originally posted by Xen

"The Scourge of Heaven," "The Devil's Horsemen", "The Golden Horde"....these are just a few of the names assigned to the Mongols and/or their constituent parts. Highly disciplined horsemen capable of employing both shock and harrassing tactics and skilled in the arts of feint and ambush, the Mongol armies conquered all that they encountered, assimilating all that they found useful. Predominant for nearly 150 years, their conquests covered almost all of Asia, the mid-East, and Eastern Europe.

Here is the same introduction I found De Bellis Antiquitatis (DBA) Resource Page...

Originally written by DBA resource page

"The Scourge of Heaven," "The Devil's Horsemen", "The Golden Horde"....these are just a few of the names assigned to the Mongols and/or their constituent parts. Highly disciplined horsemen capable of employing both shock and harrassing tactics and skilled in the arts of feint and ambush, the Mongol armies conquered all that they encountered, assimilating all that they found useful. Predominant for nearly 150 years, their conquests covered almost all of Asia, the mid-East, and Eastern Europe. The following highly-recommended DBA pages provide useful details and notes on the Mongols, their composition, enemies and tactics, miniature sources and painting tips:

If you click on David Kuijit's Mongol page, you will find that almost all of Xen's information is ripped directly from the page. This is just an example

Originally posted by Xen

The initial expansion of the Mongols was perhaps one of, if not the most devastating and successful series of invasions in such a short period of time by one "nation" in history. The list of nations and kingdoms they crushed goes on and on. The conquered the Hsia-hsia, Khwarizm, the Abassid Caliphate, Georgia, the Alans, the Kipchaks, the Ghuzz, the Volga Bulgars. They conquered the Russian Principalities in the winter. They conquered the Sung, Korea, the Seljuq Sultanate. In a huge raid to divert attention from an invasion of Hungary they shattered the Poles and Teutonic Knights at Leignitz; at the same time their invasion force in Hungary shattered and obliterated a feudal force twice their size in the battle of Mohi. The Mongols fought battles as far south as Annam (modern Vietnam) and Burma, as far east as Korea and Japan.

Here is Kuijit's version...

Originally written by David Kuijit

The initial expansion of the Mongols was perhaps the most devastating and successful series of invasions in history. The list of nations and kingdoms they crushed goes on and on. The conquered the Hsia-hsia, Khwarizm, the Abassid Caliphate, Georgia, the Alans, the Kipchaks, the Ghuzz, the Volga Bulgars. They conquered the Russian Principalities in the winter. They conquered the Sung, Korea, the Seljuq Sultanate. In a huge raid to divert attention from an invasion of Hungary they shattered the Poles and Teutonic Knights at Leignitz; at the same time their invasion force in Hungary shattered and obliterated a feudal force twice their size in the battle of Mohi. The Mongols fought battles as far south as Annam (modern Vietnam) and Burma, as far east as Korea and Japan.

When you post a history article, do not claim it to be you own work if it is not. Many people work long and hard researching information, and when someone just copies the work without giving credit... it can be very disheartening. Xen, next time give credit where it is due or write your own article.
 
I said it was composed of several parts- not be me, but put into one one article by me (there are three articles in there)-I got the stuff off a internet search with no author name given- hence no credit
 
I know- a slip of the fingers- I hope you dint mind to much, but I expected people to be able to read the disclaimer up top, and figure out what happend
 
Perhaps I'll put the spelling error in my quote!

Anyway, I think the Mongols got that effective and large because one, the tribes were united and two, they finally had a desire to conquer land. The unification explains itself. The desire can be something new. Case in point:

The predecessors of the Mongols of the time did not go and do a whole lot of conquering. For example, the Xiong-nu and the Xianbei just lived in their steppes and were quite content to raid China or use the threat of raid as blackmail to go get stuff. That worked quite well for them whenever China was united. When China sent in large army after large army and these tribes destroy them again and again, most of them never turned around and went ripping territory off China. The only tribes that DID take Chinese land were by leaders and followers that basically Sinicized themselves....if they didn't, they'd never be able to rule a northern Chinese kingdom.

But, hey, maybe something ticked in Temujin's mind and had everyone go forth and conquer. Interesting how these tribes never went on vast military campaigns beforehand.
 
Originally posted by The Yankee
Anyway, I think the Mongols got that effective and large because one, the tribes were united and two, they finally had a desire to conquer land. The unification explains itself. The desire can be something new. Case in point:
I think in the case of the Mongols, they had something the earlier tribal confederations didn't have - they had Genghis Khan! This man remade the steppe tribal configuration, breaking down tribal links and organisation to be reformed as the new Mongol nation. Fr his time onwards, all the peoples of the yurt tents would be known as Mongols, and proud of it.

The predecessors of the Mongols of the time did not go and do a whole lot of conquering. For example, the Xiong-nu and the Xianbei just lived in their steppes and were quite content to raid China or use the threat of raid as blackmail to go get stuff.
The Xianbei established their kingdom in the heart of N China. ;)

When China sent in large army after large army and these tribes destroy them again and again, most of them never turned around and went ripping territory off China.
The wars with the nomads were vicious and not too one-sided. The Chinese would kill and massacre all the steppe nomads and their flocks that they could find - and vice versa.

Han records were full of accounts of how many sheep and etc killed during each of the imperial campaigns into the steppes.

The only tribes that DID take Chinese land were by leaders and followers that basically Sinicized themselves....if they didn't, they'd never be able to rule a northern Chinese kingdom.
Not really; when they could, they would try to conquer a piece of China themselves. They were only Sinicized, after settling down to rule the Chinese; not when they're still on horseback and tending their flocks out in the steppes. Chinese culture is for settled peoples, not nomads.

But, hey, maybe something ticked in Temujin's mind and had everyone go forth and conquer. Interesting how these tribes never went on vast military campaigns beforehand.
They did - but in beforetimes, the Chinese were more militaristic and making a conquest of China more trouble than it was worth. In earlier times too, the technical disparity betw the two sides were more in favor to the Chinese. Also, since the Mongols, the nomads learned to cultivate and make use of Chinese forces (with their seige knowledge etc); and cultivate Chinese local leaders. Any conquest of China needed the coorperation of the local gentry families for any practical purposes.

It was only after the Southern Song when the archetype Chinese elite comes to be the Chinese scholar carried on sedans, than the Chinese scholar-warrior on horseback playing polo, than the Chinese became even less effective in warfare.
 
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