The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread!

[fung3]

Anybody who has taken the time and trouble to take a serious look at 'Evolution Theory' will eventually conclude that it is an incomplete theory.

I am not saying that Creationism has the answers either but T of E has gapping, unanswerable holes in it.

For example: It says nothing of the negative entropy that is necessary for life to begin and become more complex. Negative entropy violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. All of the ideas I have heard so far that have attempted to sweep this under the carpet have been hopeless fudges. Can anyone here address this satisfactorily?

Are all 'Evolutionists' also atheists? Just wondering.

Evolution Theory and Creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Both of these views can be held without conflict.

Frankly, If science shows us anything it is that a future generations will prove the current science to be wrong. This has happened countless times and will keep on happening. Theories (and T of E is only theory not fact) are only good until a better theory comes along.

Human Beings think they can work stuff out, that science can demysterify the worders of this existance and wrap them up in tidy safe understandable little packages. The truth is that we are all immersed in a mystery that nobody has any answer to whatsoever. Creation, evolution what do these things really mean. None of us know anything at all.

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[Sidhe]

http://civ3players.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=OT&action=display&thread=1106715768&page=1

Here's a fantastic example of someone trying to dispell evolution and promote creationism. Very entertaining: set aside an hour or so though it's very long.

Just in case you want a counter point, or just some entertaining creationist pseudo science

Honestly this is real crowd pleaser from start to finish, hf

 

[Perfection]

For example: It says nothing of the negative entropy that is necessary for life to begin and become more complex. Negative entropy violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. All of the ideas I have heard so far that have attempted to sweep this under the carpet have been hopeless fudges. Can anyone here address this satisfactorily?

Entropy in a single location can decrease if it results in an increase in entropy elsewhere. Ice freezing lowers local entropy but it spits out heat which ends up increasing overall entropy. Life is not in violation of thermodynamics.

Are all 'Evolutionists' also atheists? Just wondering.

I am, some aren't.

Human Beings think they can work stuff out, that science can demysterify the worders of this existance and wrap them up in tidy safe understandable little packages. The truth is that we are all immersed in a mystery that nobody has any answer to whatsoever. Creation, evolution what do these things really mean. None of us know anything at all. If fact to clarify the only thing that you can know is that you know f@ck all.

Yes, science is a miserable failuire. Scientists are just spinning thier wheels, never mind all the technology and correct predictions. Yes science is incomplete, yes science is messy, but dammit science works!

On a personal note, for me science only makes the universe moe fantastic and more mysterious.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

IT LIVES!

Anybody who has taken the time and trouble to take a serious look at 'Evolution Theory' will eventually conclude that it is an incomplete theory.

Tell that to a million scientists.

I am not saying that Creationism has the answers either but T of E has gapping, unanswerable holes in it.

Tell us some.

For example: It says nothing of the negative entropy that is necessary for life to begin and become more complex. Negative entropy violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. All of the ideas I have heard so far that have attempted to sweep this under the carpet have been hopeless fudges. Can anyone here address this satisfactorily?

Yes.
We already have. The short answer is:

Are all 'Evolutionists' also atheists? Just wondering.

Not me, and evolution isn't an ism.

Evolution Theory and Creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Both of these views can be held without conflict.

God's-behind-it creationism, yes. Capital-C God-did-it-in-6-days or Earth-is-6000-years-old Creationism, no.

Frankly, If science shows us anything it is that a future generations will prove the current science to be wrong. This has happened countless times and will keep on happening. Theories (and T of E is only theory not fact) are only good until a better theory comes along.

No, future generations will improve on current science and show our current science to be an approximation. Happened to Galileo, happened to Newton, happened to Darwin.

Human Beings think they can work stuff out, that science can demysterify the worders of this existance and wrap them up in tidy safe understandable little packages. The truth is that we are all immersed in a mystery that nobody has any answer to whatsoever. Creation, evolution what do these things really mean. None of us know anything at all. If fact to clarify the only thing that you can know is that you know f@ck all.

Reported for spamming and flaming. Try not to veer off topic like that.

 

[Sidhe]

Creationists are fantastic entertainment value, I really think more religions should subscribe to there beliefs because listening to a creationist literalist go on about 6000 year old Earth and dinosaurs, Radioctive carbon dating,radioactivity in general, geology, geogrpahy, environmental science, physics, chemisty and biology to name but a few of the sciences that would have to be wrong completely if creationism was true is just hilarious. It's like getting out a really good movie, sit back munch on some pop corn and enjoy the comedy Anyone fancy a hot dog? Beer?

An Intelligent Design fantastic try and cover up the creationism in a new theory that makes no sense scientifically and is pretty much philosophical babble: AHHHHH Wonderfull, what's next Creative design or intelligent blunder? CD theory now the earth was created by god 5 billion years ago because?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

to name but a few of the sciences that would have to be wrong completely if creationism were true.

Let's see, there's also forensics, archaeology and ancient history. How much of the basic curriculum haven't we thrown out by now?

Modern history, English, [Language of your choice], and mathematics.

BTW, it's "radiocarbon" dating, not "radioactive carbon".

Anyone fancy a hot dog? Beer?

I fancy a few more pictures, preferably with captions.

 

[Sidhe]

How's that?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

How's that?

Not really. I meant rebuttals like my picture of the sun, not insults.

*checks post time* 4 hours and no replies?

 

[King Alexander]

How's that?

Well, I couldn't resist not to post an answer to your picture, to say "thanks for making me loughing out hard"

 

[Sidhe]

You're more than welcome, for a bigger laugh check out the thread I posted on a creationists view of the issues. It's pure magic

 

[fung3]

Reported for spamming and flaming.

Calm down Mr. Mesoy. I am NOT spamming! I am NOT flaming! Is there really any need to go running to the nearest moderator when you read a post you don't like. I really didn't mean to upset anyone with my last post, just thought it might be fun to liven things up a bit. At least the post grabbed your interest!

Try not to veer off topic like that.

LIKE WHAT !!! This is a civ forum and you're discussing 'T of E' WTH !!!

I will veer here and there as I please. Who are you, a moderators spoilt brat love child or something?

Remember Erik, I am not real this is all just a transitory experience, a dream if you will, generated from within your ownself. A dream from which one day you will wake.

Now untwist your knickers and put your creationist hat on, sit still for a while and see what comes. All the answers you seek lie within you.

 

[Secular]

Evolution can be directly observed with virus'. The fear of the new strain of flu every year. The reason anti-biotics are far less effective now than they once were.

This is remarkably simple stuff

 

[King Alexander]

Evolution can be directly observed with virus'. The fear of the new strain of flu every year. The reason anti-biotics are far less effective now than they once were.

This is remarkably simple stuff

Brilliant answer. Bravo!

 

[classical_hero]

Evolution can be directly observed with virus'. The fear of the new strain of flu every year. The reason anti-biotics are far less effective now than they once were.

This is remarkably simple stuff

Virus' are not life since they cannot reproduce by themselves, which is one sign of life.

 

[Secular]

Virus' are not life since they cannot reproduce by themselves, which is one sign of life.

what!? so a wasp that buries its larvae in the flesh of a paralyzed insect so it has something to eat when it hatches is not then life because it requires the other insect?

 

[classical_hero]

what!? so a wasp that buries its larvae in the flesh of a paralyzed insect so it has something to eat when it hatches is not then life because it requires the other insect?

The larvae occure by sexual reproduction and they are put into the the prey so that they can live off them, so I really do not understand what this has to do with what I said.

 

[Secular]

Come to think of it i'm not sure why i justified your response with a question (no insult intended but it would have made more sense if i'd just posted this to begin with.)

Parasitic life is still life.. i'm not sure where you got that the idea that a virus doesn't qualify as life.

But u are right, the example i gave and a virus arn't parrallels.

 

[classical_hero]

Come to think of it i'm not sure why i justified your response with a question (no insult intended but it would have made more sense if i'd just posted this to begin with.)

Parasitic life is still life.. i'm not sure where you got that the idea that a virus doesn't qualify as life.

But u are right, the example i gave and a virus arn't parrallels.

You are confusing methods of living with life itself. The two are quite different.

 

[Secular]

explain if you would

 

[Sidhe]

Virus' are not life since they cannot reproduce by themselves, which is one sign of life.

That's a view suported by science, since one of the five conditions of life is reproduction virus's do not technicaly qualify as life.

Motion

Reproduction

Consumption

Growth

Stimulus response

From plants to animals to man all share these five traits viruses don't so they are not life according to the five criteria for life.

And before anyone says plants don't move, remember phototropism.