The Official Ron Paul Support Thread

[Damnyankee]

All right, Ron Paul has been bashed enough by the left and right in CFC, now, lets have a positive thread for him, lol.

Paul supports states' rights, gun ownership, habeas corpus for political detainees,[24] jury nullification rights,[25] and a Constitutional amendment allowing voluntary and unofficial school prayer;[26] he also favors allowing workers to opt out of Social Security,[27] expanding the free market in health care, recognizing private property rights for pollution prevention,[28] and increasing ballot access.[29] Paul opposes the draft, the federal War on Drugs, socialized health care,[27] the welfare state,[30] foreign aid, judicial activism, federal death penalties,[31] and federal regulation of marriage, of education,[32] and of the Internet.[33] He supports revising enforcement of the military "don't ask, don't tell" policy, which he calls "decent", to focus on disruptive behavior and include members with heterosexual as well as homosexual behavior issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
~Ron Paul

 

[Lambert Simnel]

You missed out a lot of his more interesting positions, such as elimination of the IRS and going back to some form of gold standard tie-in for the dollar. But you did get the opposing of foreign aid. Sitting over the pond, I honestly find the idea that this guy is a credible candidate for the (arguably) most powerful job in the world quite bizarre.

What's he polling at nowadays, anyway ? Has he ever got above 10% in any properly run poll yet ?

 

[Damnyankee]

You missed out a lot of his more interesting positions, such as elimination of the IRS and going back to some form of gold standard tie-in for the dollar. But you did get the opposing of foreign aid. Sitting over the pond, I honestly find the idea that this guy is a credible candidate for the (arguably) most powerful job in the world quite bizarre.

What's he polling at nowadays, anyway ? Has he ever got above 10% in any properly run poll yet ?

If I had copy and pasted the whole article, it would have gone over the post limit, I just copied and pasted a blurb from the very beginning, though I did read the whole thing.

On the gold tie-in... well, I'm on the fence on that subject. I mean, it would have its benefits, but also its own downside. Besides that, I agree with the majority of his views.

 

[MjM]

All the positions you listed are great reasons to hate him.

 

[Shylock]

All the positions you listed are great reasons to hate him.

Yeah, more freedom in America is terrible.

Bring on the police state

Seriously though is there any particular reason why you oppose it or are you just trolling?

 

[downtown]

Dismantling federal spending will mean a lot less freedom for an awful lot of people.

 

[MjM]

Yeah, more freedom in America is terrible.

Bring on the police state

Seriously though is there any particular reason why you oppose it or are you just trolling?

Paul supports states' rights, gun ownership,

Yeehaw! The South will rise again, yessiree.

[24] jury nullification rights

Are you kidding me? So if someone is convicted for murder by a jury of their peers, they can walk free because of jury nullification?

[25] and a Constitutional amendment allowing voluntary and unofficial school prayer;

A whole Constitutional amendment? Is there a law prohibiting kids from praying in school right now?

[28]and increasing ballot access.

Can you say compulsory voting?

[29] Paul opposes the draft, the federal War on Drugs, socialized health care

So, drugs should be on our streets and grip our inter-citys'?
The draft hasn't been used in decades, and if there is a need for it, it needs to still be able to be used.
Our health care system is crap. Socialized medicine works for everyone else. Why is it taking so long for us to catch on?

[30]foreign aid. . .

Foreign aid? To America? Or foreign aid from any country to another? Either way, is he saying we shouldn't help countries less fortunate then ourselves? Sounds selfish to me.

[31] and federal regulation of marriage, of education

Who exactly should regulate them then? The state?

[32] and of the Internet.

Haha. What a backwards quack.

Ron Paul sounds like a typical Republican to me.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

And here come the crowds....

Bascially, you have the people who are like "omigod Ron Paul will save America he's my hero, etc., etc." A lot of these people don't really know his positions, and are clueless about politics.

Then, you have the people who, in an effort to combat this, created an anti-Ron Paul mentality. Dislike with him is fine (so is support ,but these people are mature enough not to scream), but just like the stupid fanatic supporters, there are stupid fanatic haters. "omigod if you knew anything about Paul you would hate him." Then, if you ask them who they like, they're like "well, um..."

Then, you have closet supporters, who don't want to announce their support with this second group growing.

It's pretty stupid. Ultimately, for me, he is my least hated candidate, but I have some serious gripes with him (anti-immigration, anti-secularism, and some other crazy crap). I don't really like any of the '08 candidates.

 

[Elrohir]

You missed out a lot of his more interesting positions, such as elimination of the IRS and going back to some form of gold standard tie-in for the dollar. But you did get the opposing of foreign aid. Sitting over the pond, I honestly find the idea that this guy is a credible candidate for the (arguably) most powerful job in the world quite bizarre.

What's he polling at nowadays, anyway ? Has he ever got above 10% in any properly run poll yet ?

He's at about 3% in the Republican field. Short of a bomb taking out Giuliani, McCain, Romney and Thompson (And maybe Huckabee) he won't win the nomination. (And he'd probably lose the general election anyway) Don't worry, he won't win.

Now that I've erased Lambert's fears, I'll leave the thread - I'm not much of a fan of Ron Paul, and I don't want to ruin your fun.

 

[Shylock]

Are you kidding me? So if someone is convicted for murder by a jury of their peers, they can walk free because of jury nullification?

No that's silly. Everyone knows murder is wrong. Drug possession? That is as much a crime as alcohol possession.

Yeehaw! The South will rise again, yessiree.

Yeehaw! 10th and 2nd amendments of the United States Constitution!

 

[Damnyankee]

Mods might as well close this thread, seems like Ron Paul supporters can't talk in peace without people coming in and bashing him. I mean, it seems like the America liberal posters on this site bash him because he doesn't support the welfare state and a ridiculous amount of taxes, and conservative poster bash him because he doesn't support foreign war, and the wanton invasion of privacy committed by the current administration. Ron Paul supporters are persecuted on this forum as having no idea what they are supporting, saying that we know nothing. It is not fair, because the majority of Ron Paul supporters know what they are talking about, and the occasional idiots among our ranks are equal in number to those supporting Neo-Conservatives and Liberals.

 

[mrt144]

his opinions on the gold standard and federal reserve are total non starters.

 

[Neomega]

Dismantling federal spending will mean a lot less freedom for an awful lot of people.

"even today, individual income taxes only account for only approximately one third of federal revenue. Eliminating one-third of the proposed Federal budget would still leave federal spending at roughly 1.8 billion dollars, a sum greater than the budget just six years ago in 2000. Does anyone seriously believe we could not find ways to cut spending back to 2000 levels?"

--Ron Paul April 11, 2006, while debating the 2007 budget in congress.

So, Downtown; do you seriously believe we could not find ways to cut spending back to 2000 levels?

 

[Equuleus]

There are pros and cons with dr Paul for me, but I think he best represents the traditional conservative mold.

I like him better than any of the other candidates on the right.

 

[Norton II]

Dismantling federal spending will mean a lot less freedom for an awful lot of people.

Last I checked, freedom and government spending were inversely proportional, other things being equal.

Are you kidding me? So if someone is convicted for murder by a jury of their peers, they can walk free because of jury nullification?

Jury nullification can be an excellent defense against laws that are unjust or unjustly applied, not to mention a good counterweight to rogue prosecutors.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Has he ever got above 10% in any properly run poll yet ?

Well, he's 10% of the way to 10%.

 

[Damnyankee]

Well, he's 10% of the way to 10%.

Nice, considering how many straw polls the man has won. Search Ron Paul Straw Polls on Google, he has won more then you think.

 

[IglooDame]

Moderator Action: Jeez, this is getting to be like the Civ4 Poland threads or the Civ3 Hitler threads.

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