The Planar Gate should be an AV structure not a Sheaim structure

[Alzara]

Hey guys

I understand that the Sheaim have the planar gate for flavour and to balance out their lack of melee units beyond the pyre zombie, but at times it really doesn't fit. Ive seen the Sheaim adopt other religions such as RoK and in those instances, the planar gates make very little sense.

Also, the AV demon altar is not very useful unless you are fighting a lot of religious units. Even then I rarely build one because the unhappiness does not justify a scourge mark.

Maybe there should be a planar gate equivalent for the AV (which provides the same benefit as the Sheaim planar gate, but also gives +1 unhappiness). In retrospect, maybe the Sheaim should have something other than a planar gate in the event they go somewhere other than AV?

Al

 

[TheJopa]

I doubt Sheaim unique building will be changed. But to address your concern, it would be nice if Sheaim under Order summoned angels, Earth elementals under Runes of Kilmorph and so on, to let them have more units than just demons.

 

[Alzara]

That would work

There should also be a way for AV players to get demons (other than "a demon lord whispers a deal").

Al

 

[TheJopa]

Entropy summons, Eidolons, Beast of Agares... I'm not sure is there any other, more could be added.

 

[Alzara]

Succubi and tar demons would be nice

Al

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Planar gates bring in creatures from other dimensions. The Sheaim are the dimensional mana experts. Even if they change religions/alignments, they should keep that knowledge. Since the units brought in depend on the buildings, it is a bit consistent with your strategy as well; i.e., you only get tar demons from building the veil temple. TheJopa's idea about putting in creatures for other religions is good, but might be more than we want to do for them (requiring extra art and effects).

 

[MagisterCultuum]

More planar gate units would be nice, including those for other religions temples.

(In my modmod I already added a new unit for planar gates in cities with Smugglers Ports. Well, I made it so they can get a new pirate UU I added for the Infernals, which starts with undead, entropy1, death1, shadow1, channeling 1, channeling 2, and summoning.)

 

[xienwolf]

Could be interesting to allow them to get Rank 2 summoned units from the Sphere of each religion for having the other temples. Kikijub from RoK, Guardian Vines from FoL (eww... useless!)....

 

[TheJopa]

TheJopa's idea about putting in creatures for other religions is good, but might be more than we want to do for them (requiring extra art and effects).

Thank you And it doesn't really require new art to allow them to bring in Earth Elementals, Stygian Guards, some other elementals... Just to add some flavor.

 

[BeefontheBone]

Guardian Vines from FoL (eww... useless!)....

Natty city defenders though I often use them to look after newly captured cities so the rest of my army doesn't have to hang around.

 

[eerr]

does anyone else think undead shouldn't get any (normal) regeneration?

 

[Mewtarthio]

Could be interesting to allow them to get Rank 2 summoned units from the Sphere of each religion for having the other temples. Kikijub from RoK, Guardian Vines from FoL (eww... useless!)....

The downside is that it encourages the Sheaim to be very religiously tolerant, spreading as many religions as possible to their Planar Gate cities. How about if they could only get the appropriate temple units if they have the appropriate state religion?