The real stability maps

China should definitely have green in Korea, Tibet, Xianjiang, and the western coast of North America from British Columbia to California.

However, Japan is out of the question. Despite all the Japanese took from the Chinese in the periods leading up to Heian-Kyo, they were clearly willing to just shut the door on Chinese influence in a heartbeat in the 10th century. And they would do the same in several instances with the western powers; selectively absorbing what they considered favorable traits while rejecting all others.
 
Also I don't understand how the japanese have green in vancouver but the chinese who have always made up much larger numbers in vancouver don't have green there.

The author of the mod is something of a Japanophile. I certainly agree that the Chinese need more space.
 
China should definitely have green in Korea, Tibet, Xianjiang, and the western coast of North America from British Columbia to California.
the logic that allows tibet allows craploads of other yuan dynasty suzerainties. the only logical reason to make it green is ignorance or that the communist party of china will cry and ban the game in china. i can see the case for suzerainties from ethnically Han dynasties however.

The thing that is really puzzling is the green granted from people historically moving independently for a gold rush or something. Are the japanese in vancouver all secret Black Dragon Society irredentists that yearn to claim Hongcouver for the Japanese Emperor? Maybe they are and the Chinese that are far more populous there don't have secret loyalties? Is it a history based game or a hey maybe what if the Romans survived? if they did I bet they'd totally plant an overseas colony in montevideo or newfoundland. yeah, totally.

However, Japan is out of the question. Despite all the Japanese took from the Chinese in the periods leading up to Heian-Kyo, they were clearly willing to just shut the door on Chinese influence in a heartbeat in the 10th century.
yep.
 
Long after the Mongols, the Qing dynasty, the ROC and PRC have all controlled Tibet. Roughly 400 years of control justifies green more than a few decades of Japanese control for most of the Pacific, imo.

I think the idea behind Roman stability in the Americas is high numbers of Italian immigrants to those regions. I'm don't know about Newfoundland, but I do know that the plurality of Argentinians and Uruguayans claim Italian ancestry.
 
Long after the Mongols, the Qing dynasty, the ROC and PRC have all controlled Tibet. Roughly 400 years of control justifies green more than a few decades of Japanese control for most of the Pacific, imo.
well i don't think the japanese green is justified either. shouldn't the green mean some kind of successful expansion not one with frequent revolts that are more indicative of the red zone expansions?
I think the idea behind Roman stability in the Americas is high numbers of Italian immigrants to those regions. I'm don't know about Newfoundland, but I do know that the plurality of Argentinians and Uruguayans claim Italian ancestry.
the vast majority of these people don't have special loyalties to their former home. many are escaping a government they don't like or wish to recreate in their new home. the idea really just doesn't make a lot of sense when you have non-ethnically based civs like america in the mix.
 
There are also some theories that Rome actually was in the new world, justified by roman coins found in North America.

or a ship gets in a bad storm and dragged off course and sinks
 
Please rather than labelling anyone "something-ophile", first try to suggest Chinese names of colonies in those places, in Chinese language.

It's not about names, Rhye, it's about stability. There is no reason why Japan should get a bonus there when China doesn't.
 
It's not about names, Rhye, it's about stability. There is no reason why Japan should get a bonus there when China doesn't.

Stability maps are generally based on city names map for regions that have been colonised. They are certainly not based on my own holiday places. Therefore, I need to know the exact location and name of colonies in order to add it as a "green zone". Just like that, I'll raise value of the Vladivostok area for England in next patch, after I found out that they founded Port May there.
Please, if you know the names of the Chinese towns or disctricts in America, share them and they'll be included.
 
Changing the topic slightly, but since you're here, Rhye, I'll point out that the stability maps should probably have a separate color for squares where the settler map value is 90 that are in another civ's area. The maps appear to show them as red, but there's no tile penalty for those squares, so they're closer to yellow than red.
 
Just like that, I'll raise value of the Vladivostok area for England in next patch, after I found out that they founded Port May there.

I hope you also made that area green for Russia, including Sakhalin Island.
Also, Northern Mongolia including Ulaan-Ude should be green or yellow for Russia.


Furthermore, I would like to point out these tiles for Spain:

- Vancouver-island had a Spanish settlement called: Santa Cruz de Nuca (or Nuca)

- Why is Quito (Ecuador) not included in Spain settler map and stability map?

- Would be nice if the Spanish founded Manila in the Phillipines sometimes, instead of the Japanese founding Raoagu.

Thank you.
 
Just like that, I'll raise value of the Vladivostok area for England in next patch, after I found out that they founded Port May there.

They didn't actually found anything there, though they planned to found a port in the area named like that (and it was partially fear of these plans that caused Russia to claim the area as its own).
 
I hope you also made that area green for Russia, including Sakhalin Island.
Also, Northern Mongolia including Ulaan-Ude should be green or yellow for Russia.


Furthermore, I would like to point out these tiles for Spain:

- Vancouver-island had a Spanish settlement called: Santa Cruz de Nuca (or Nuca)

- Why is Quito (Ecuador) not included in Spain settler map and stability map?

- Would be nice if the Spanish founded Manila in the Phillipines sometimes, instead of the Japanese founding Raoagu.

Thank you.
I changed my WB starting situation so the entire Philippines is covered in jungle until AD1600... when the Manila tile changes to forest and its a race between various powers to see who gets there first ;)

So far I've seen it become Spanish once and Japanese three times.
 
Why is Quito (Ecuador) not included in Spain settler map and stability map?

I've noticed that before. I think this tile is originally a peak, but the peak is removed in order to free the Inca at around the time of the conquistadors.



If Rhye is open to modifying stability/settler maps; I'd like to see an expanded region for New Netherland in the Northeast USA & the rest of North America. That way we can do "what if the Dutch won the Anglo-Dutch wars scenarios" Possible city names could be:
Nassau, Bahamas
Roodt Eylandt (Rhode Island, put this due east of New York/Nieuw Amsterdam)
Leiden or Leyden for the Boston Tiles. (There is a town after the city that provided the Pilgrims with their refuge from religious persecution before they came to Massachusetts)
Schuylkill in between Beverwyck & Zeeland (Schuylkill, Pennsylvania).
The Dutch were also involved in Acadia for a while; perhaps we can add Jemseg somewhere.

On the topic of the northeast US;
I'd also like to see Popham changed to Portland; at least on the US map because Popham was short-lived and never existed during the history of the USA, Portland has been an influential part of the USA for centuries.
If Fort Duquesne becomes British or American it should be renamed Pittsburgh.
Saint John in New Brunswick should not be abbreviated St. John.

The French should have greater latitude toward expanding into the east coast of North America. If they had won the French & Indian War, they certainly would have.
Acadia included much of modern day Maine; possible French names for the Portland/Popham tile include: Maine, Fort Pentagouet or Calais.
The has been a very strong French-Canadian presence in Rhode Island ever since the British captured Quebec & Acadia, mostly in the northern half. Two ideas for French city names on the coastal Boston tile and the New Haven tile are Woonsocket or Louisquisset.
The inland Boston tile could represent French Vermont, perhaps name the city Montpelier after the capital of Vermont?
There are a lot more possibilities for expanding French North America. Everywhere from Juneau, Alaska & Fremont, California to Boise, Idaho & Reno, Nevada (originally Renault), to Bonnie Doon, Alberta and Maillardville, British Columbia. Also, it would be fun for the French to rename Washington DC after L'Enfant upon capturing it.
 
As a (proud) Dutchman I can assure you these names are definitely Dutch:

- Roodt Eylandt is actually claimed by the Dutch ones, then renamed to Rhode Island.

'Roodt' means 'red' so translated it was called 'Red Island' because of the red soil they found there.

- Leiden is a very old Dutch city which existed at that time, so it's a Dutch name. Don't know if the city was founded by Dutchmen, but the name is Dutch.

- Nassau is of course named after the Dutch royal family Oranje-Nassau, but I don't know about who founded the city or island.

- Schuylkill is old Dutch which probably means 'schuilkuil' which means hide pit or 'pit to hide in'. It could also mean 'schuilheuvel' which means hide hill or 'hill to hide on'?

- Beverwyck and Zeeland you probably already know are Dutch names also/still existent in the Netherlands nowadays.
 
What names do you want sources for?

Roodt Eylandt
-- name given by the Dutch Explorer Adrian Block. He also named Block Island off the coast of RI after himself.

Leyden, Massachusetts wasn't founded by Dutch people, so maybe that disqualifies it. The Pilgrims were religious dissidents who left England and lived in Leiden, Netherlands for 20 years seeking religious freedom. In 1620, the Pilgrims left Leiden and went to found Plymouth Colony in present day Massachusetts. Most of the town in Massachusetts they founded were named after towns in England or Native American place names, however Leyden was named after the city where they had lived for 20 years. Another option would be Rensselaerswyck.

The Schuylkill River was named by Arendt Corssen of the Dutch West India Company, possibly to mean "hidden river". Both a neighborhood in Philadelphia and a township in Pennsylvania derive their names from this river.

Nassau, Bahamas was built when the crowns of the Netherlands & Great Britain were in personal union under William III. William was from the house of Nassau.

I think that's all the Dutch places.

For the British & American maps:
Saint John not St. John

Also, Popham only existed for one year and predated the founding of the USA by 170 years. I think Portland would be a much better name for the Americans and probably the British as well. Prior to 1786 Portland had three other names, York, Casco and Falmouth. Falmouth was the name from 1658 to 1786 so that's another candidate for the English map.

For French City names I suggest you visit this page. The French have had influence in every corner of the USA except Hawaii and the extreme southwest corner.
 
Some suggestions:


Japan should have green/yellow in Indonesia and Khmer territory, also northern China.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Empire_of_Japan_(1868-1945).png

Vikings should have at least one green/yellow tile on Philadelphia for New Sweden.
Named Fort Christina, which could be renamed by America into Wilmington or just Philadelphia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Nieuw_Nederland_and_Nya_Sverige.png

Spain should get a green tile on Vancouver which they had a settlement called Santa Cruz de Nuca and a fort called Fort San Miguel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_San_Miguel

Rome should have the Somalia and Ethiopia green/yellow to represent the Italian colonial empire.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Italy_and_Posessions_September_1939.png

France should have much more of West Africa green/yellow, Syria and (parts of) the east coast of India too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/France_colonial_Empire10.png

Assuming England equals Britian, they should have Nigeria green/yellow, the 'Elmina area' (Gold Coast), the Maldives tile, Mesopotamia and the 'Holy lands', Oman and the Arab Emirates, Fiji, Western Samoa and Pitcairn. Did I forget anything? It is much, I know...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png
 
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