The Real Threat to Academic Freedom...

I don't think holding that book counts as an "endorsement of Antifa."

I'm find it hard to believe you actually believe that. I'm sure if Trump tweeted a picture of himself holding Mein Kampf you wouldn't feel the same way.

I take your point about the "Unite the Right" rally, I admit that didn't know the details and hadn't look into it for myself.

Cool, I think your repeated attempts to create false equivalences in an effort to maintain an "above-the-fray, too intellectual to have strong convictions" attitude are divisive, unhelpful, and damaging to this country, so I guess there's a lot of that going around.

Your inability to think usefully about racism is not my problem. In effect, you are telling me that you are too triggered by the word to think about racism with any kind of nuance.

If you are attempting to hurt my feelings, you have succeeded. I don't feel that way, and I do have strong convictions, I was just trying to find some... common ground I guess.
 
I'm find it hard to believe you actually believe that. I'm sure if Trump tweeted a picture of himself holding Mein Kampf you wouldn't feel the same way.

Having researched the book more I'll say nah nevermind. Still, I don't think that somehow a picture of Ellison holding a book 'balances out' the actual concrete actions taken by Republican legislators against academics. And I broadly agree with antifa anyway, though naturally I don't agree with everything everyone who's ever used the label has ever done.

If you are attempting to hurt my feelings, you have succeeded. I don't feel that way, and I do have strong convictions, I was just trying to find some... common ground I guess.

Well, I hope that looking into the details of the Unite the Right thing has made you understand there is little to no common ground to be had with such people. Tying into what I said about racism, that people have racist attitudes doesn't make it impossible to reason or treat with them. American society as a whole is deeply racist, so it is no surprise that pretty much all of us have some racist attitudes.

I suppose when I dismissed Trump supporters I should have said the True Believers, the core of people who won't abandon him no matter what - though I'm not exactly sure what proportion of Trump supporters this is.
 
Organisations on the "political right" in the US are, generally speaking (though do correct me if I'm mistaken here), better organised, more zealous, wealthier and generally just more powerful than any similar left-wing organisations. That means that they have the most ability to harm academic freedom -- but it also means that they are able to do so in a way that isn't as conspicuous and in-your-face!

Most of the issues with academic freedom that people have been talking about in the last couple of years all revolve around very openly and agitating behaviour from the "left". The "right" has the privilege to work quietly, but steadily and forcefully, towards whatever goals they seek. It's all the noise and running that gets people's attention, and that's true both when the "left" and "right" engage in it.
Verisimilitudinous. I'll buy it.
 
I think that, even in a very polarized environment, a student can still just don't mind and carry on with their studies.
Though if it is a student of politics or some tied subject, they sort of already helped themselves to their respected banner.

I also tend to agree that there are terribly low-level opinions uttered by both "right" and "left" people. Besides, isn't it obvious that the crucial paragon there isn't political view but overall immaturity or ability to think?
 
I remember back in the late 60's and 70's when the universities were restricting the far left speakers by calling them traitors. And every one screamed censorship. Now the far right is being restricted why? It's still censorship.

The best way to determine whether a person is speaking truth or is just a plain idiot, is to simply listen to them talk. It becomes obvious quite quickly. Yes there are snake oil salesman that can fool the masses (like our current president) but it's harder when people are listening carefully. Don't censor people, just listen carefully. (or you can simply ignore when it's obvious before they open their mouth)
 
I think that, even in a very polarized environment, a student can still just don't mind and carry on with their studies.
Though if it is a student of politics or some tied subject, they sort of already helped themselves to their respected banner.

I also tend to agree that there are terribly low-level opinions uttered by both "right" and "left" people. Besides, isn't it obvious that the crucial paragon there isn't political view but overall immaturity or ability to think?

Depends on what kind of student you are. If you are a PhD student and the professor who faces censure or political reprisals is your thesis adviser, you could be in deep trouble. Both in that the professor may not be able to give their full attention to helping you write the best form of your dissertation, and in that a professor who has been made a political black sheep can make dissertation defense more difficult, and in that being associated with such a professor can seriously, seriously harm your job prospects in academia down the road.
 
TPUSA is a group ostensibly founded as a kind of support network for supposedly oppressed conservative students who find themselves increasingly alienated on college campuses.
This isn't directly on the topic of your thread, so I apologize, but one thing I've been trying to get my head around is how universities are supposed to be these hotbeds of liberal indoctrination, but then "College Educated Whites" show up on polls as the most conservative bloc. I'm not doubting that the professoriate leans heavily liberal, but they would seem to be doing a spectacularly bad job of inculcating liberalism in their students. If people who emerge from college are the most reliably conservative group in the country, then I have to assume that they are fairly conservative all through college. (I mean, there will be some who are attracted to liberalism during their college years, and then become more conservative once they own houses and have children; I get that). But most will have been conservative all along, insofar as they are political at all. (I don't mean at the Middleburys and Bards of the world.) And if so, why do they feel so oppressed in the totality of their college experience? Yeah, having to spout liberal views for that intolerant liberal professor has to grate. But when they're kicking back with their friends, can't they pretty much be as conservative as they want to be? Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread. I've just been musing on the oppression that college conservatives report experiencing and how that squares with the fact that graduates go on to be as comfortably conservative as they want to be.
 
I don't really think college educated folks are the target audience for those Breitbart-style "Campus PC Police" type stories. It's agit-prop designed for less educated audiences.
 
I would trade "less educated" for "further removed." Indeed the most triggered may well be those for whom 'back in my day' school was some other way.
 
The main threats to academic freedom are overpopulation and global warming.
 
Based only on what little I've read somewhat recently on the subject, my vote for the biggest threat would go to: a focus on activism instead of academics, and/or social justice masquerading as science.
 
This isn't directly on the topic of your thread, so I apologize, but one thing I've been trying to get my head around is how universities are supposed to be these hotbeds of liberal indoctrination, but then "College Educated Whites" show up on polls as the most conservative bloc. I'm not doubting that the professoriate leans heavily liberal, but they would seem to be doing a spectacularly bad job of inculcating liberalism in their students. If people who emerge from college are the most reliably conservative group in the country, then I have to assume that they are fairly conservative all through college. (I mean, there will be some who are attracted to liberalism during their college years, and then become more conservative once they own houses and have children; I get that). But most will have been conservative all along, insofar as they are political at all. (I don't mean at the Middleburys and Bards of the world.) And if so, why do they feel so oppressed in the totality of their college experience? Yeah, having to spout liberal views for that intolerant liberal professor has to grate. But when they're kicking back with their friends, can't they pretty much be as conservative as they want to be? Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread. I've just been musing on the oppression that college conservatives report experiencing and how that squares with the fact that graduates go on to be as comfortably conservative as they want to be.

This is a long discussion based on some misinformation. Although college educated whites skew slightly conservative, it is much less conservative than non-college educated whites for example, and hardly the most conservative group. In the last election for example, college educated whites voted 49% for trump, while whites without a degree went 67% for trump. That is a very considerable change, and would be exactly what you would expect if universities are biased Liberal.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
 
That in no way implies universities are liberally biased, it shows educated people are more likely to have liberal views. Those are two totally different things.
 
That in no way implies universities are liberally biased, it shows educated people are more likely to have liberal views. Those are two totally different things.

Yes, they are different. I simply said the results were consistent with theory that liberal professors are influencing conservative students.
 
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