The Secret Cardinal

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With all the Pope related topics going on, I figured I might as well add in my bit. I found it pretty interesting myself, and I'm curious to see your views on it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ap/20050404/ap_on_re_eu/pope_mystery_cardinal

By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - What happens to the mystery cardinal the late Pope John Paul II selected in 2003 but never publicly identified.

Will the world ever find out who was picked?

Vatican watchers wondered Monday whether there was still a way in accordance with Church law for this unidentified "prince of the Church" to take his place among the cardinals and, if he is young enough, vote for the new pope.

When John Paul created new cardinals in 2003, he announced that he was keeping one name secret, or "in pectore," meaning "in the heart." This is a formula that has been used when the pope wants to name a cardinal in a country where the church is oppressed.

Vatican watchers have speculated that the prelate could be from China, where only a state-sanctioned church is recognized.

But Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, 65, John Paul's longtime private secretary who was at his bedside when he died, has also been mentioned as the possible secret cardinal.

The Rev. James Conn, a professor of canon law at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome, said that if John Paul identified the man in writing in some authenticated document before he died, the man would be a cardinal.

"I think that any means of publishing the name of the cardinal that was previously not revealed, including in some testimonial that was authenticated, would be acceptable," Conn said.

Canon law says only that the pope has to make his name public. But it doesn't say whether that has to be done orally, he said.

Once the name is made public, the cardinal "is bound by the same duties and possesses the same rights" of the other cardinals, including the right to vote for a new pope if he is younger than 80, canon law says.

There are now 117 cardinals eligible to vote in the conclave to elect John Paul's successor.

John Paul has named three other "in pectore" cardinals whose names were later revealed, including Marian Jaworski, archbishop of Lviv, Ukraine, for Catholics who follow the Latin rite, and Janis Pujats of Riga, Latvia.

Both Ukraine and Latvia formerly belonged to the officially atheist Soviet Union.

The third was Ignatius Kung Pin-Mei, an elderly Chinese bishop who spent 30 years in Chinese prisons for defying attempts by China's communist government to control Roman Catholics through the state-run church.

While in prison in 1979, he was named "in pectore" by John Paul in the first group of cardinals named by the pontiff.

His name was made public in 1991, nine years before he died in Connecticut at the age of 98.

So, who do you guys think it is or from where?
 
I bet its Bush! :mischief:

No, I'm only joking. But what's the use of keeping quiet about this? Then this Cardinal dude doesn't get to participate in picking the next Pope, in that Conclave.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Bush was Pope . . . :)
 
Don't know. I've read stranger things (in Time Magazine of all places) too... So, it's time for...

"CFC OT Strange Conspiracy Theory of the Week!" :crazyeye:

This has to do with a piece I found years ago in Time Magazine. (probably when JPII was the Man of the Year)

Google "pope was Chinese" and you'll get the general gist of it. A Bishop (Lustiger of all people) dreamt that the Pope was Chinese, US President was black (Dr. Rice?), and the Russian President was Muslim (is there next election in 2009?).

"Asked by TIME about his chances of succeeding John Paul, Lustiger replies, "Me? Totally excluded. Out of the question." Lustiger fidgets silently with his breviary in its brown leather case, then suddenly announces, "I had a dream. I dreamed that the President of the United States was black, the President of the ex-U.S.S.R. was a Muslim - and the Pope was Chinese. And in my dream I asked God to let me die before that day would come. Because if ever we had a Chinese Pope" - he clenches his fist and makes a screw-turning gesture - "they know what administration is!" (Time, Cover: Man of the Year, Who Will Be First Among us? by Kevin Fedarko)

Lustiger obviously doesn't want to be pope. The article was on Time magazine around or before 1998. The online version on Time magazine is archived, and only for subscribers.

Conspiracies aside, maybe one reason it was kept secret was to protect the identity of the cardinal JPII selected. That's probably the most likely reason. I've read in several places (and heard on the news) how Lustiger just doesn't want to become pope.


BTW, If Cardinal Kasper becomes pope, will that make him "Casper the Friendly Pope"? :D

Origanal Time Magazine Article
 
BTW, If Cardinal Kasper becomes pope, will that make him "Casper the Friendly Pope"?

Though I saw it coming miles away, it still cracked me up. :lol:
 
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