The Spiral Minaret Destroyed?

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You are active here, aren´t you?

A sad thing is that it is impossible to see now when peace in Iraq will come och things go only worse for Iraq with every new day. I meet more and more refugees from Iraq (BTW they are often Christians) that come to Sweden, often they are well-educated. I mean that it is "brain drainage" that takes place now. How can Iraqi people govern themselves after so terrible migration?

Hi! I do all I can :)

I only hope that they will return someday, but I think that it's hardly possible - who would return to a country where militant groups suicide-bomb temples, markets etc... ?
I don't think that there will be peace in Iraq in a reasonable time :( currently those invasion forces (now called stabilization forces as this military action finally get UN approval - I mean not the attack, only residing of foreign military forces in Iraq) must stay in Iraq and gradually be replaced by local Police and Army, but it will take years to do it and what is more important hundreds or rather thousands of human lives...
 
Honestly man, and I'm not just saying this, I go on their site regularly and have never seen examples of extremist hatred from al-Jazeera. If you find some point it my way and I'll be impartial, but I've yet to ever see that

You go to AJ's english site I take it. Its not the same as their arab site nor as the crap they broadcast on the arab language channel.
 
Oh, not another fight with the sources...

Anyway, what the hell is a modern military post doing at a priceless ancient monument?

Using it as cover thinking that the terrorist wouldn't shoot at because they have have some respect for the past.
 
If you think that Al-Jazeera is just as good or better than BBC, wow. I don't know how to even argue against that. Oh well. Each to his own, I suppose.
 
Just to clear some things up.

Al Jazeera doesn't mention the spiral minaret in the article and they mention in the article that Al Qaeda has been blamed for the attack.

Btw. Al Jazeera is a very neutral and objective channel. They have been praised by westerners and arabs, namely because they show everything from a neutral perspective.

I recall the Danish minister of Foreign Affairs (Per Stig Moeller from "The Conservative Peoples Party) saying "Al Jazeera is the best". Believe or not, this is a quote!

Although he did later mention he was mainly talkning about the english Al Jazeera.

The arabic Al Jazeera has recieved criticism because they have shown footage of Osama bin Laden speaking to his fellow terrorists. They have also recieved criticism by many shias, because they believe Al Jazeera is very anti-shia :crazyeye:

Oh, didn't Bush once wanted to bomb Al Jazeeras HQ because they showed videotapes of Osama bin Laden?

Anybody who has watched Al jazeera or read their articles, would quickly realize they arn't anti-americann anti-israeli, nor do they broadcast terrorist propaganda. They do show tapes of Osama bin Laden, but the media isn't supposed to be one-sided.
 
Al Jazeera is the ME equivalent of FOX news. Except without the bottle blonde former Vegas showgirls serving as anchors.
 
Al Jazeera is anti-american propaganda.
 
In regards to modern day news broadcasts, all of them essentionally are propaganda. You can not just designate one broadcasts as 'propaganda' only. What they do is show 'interested' people facts and videos that they want to see. The videos and stories that Al Jazzera merely release are stuff that people 'against the American machine' want to see. And by seeing such this, all it is merely affirm their feelings on the matter. CNN is no less guilty on the matter. With that said, my only greviances against Al Jazzera is that it designs itself to get people rallying against 'the Great Satan' with distorted pictures of violence caused by the Americans.

Why do they do this? Not so for propaganda proposes.. but because it sells!

In regards to blowing up news headquarters, I do remember reading that the US doing this. But I think it was for different reasons. It wasn't because they did not want Osama Bin Laden on air, but rather that their invasion could be recorded, broad casted, and 'annoy' more people than they have too.


on topic: Iraq's official religion is Islam... it'd be bad for the national economy (haha..) had it blew up. :(
 
The article says April 1, 2005.

April Fools! Two years ago.
 
The article says April 1, 2005.

April Fools! Two years ago.


Wow! Those Al-Qaeda radicals have one hell of a sense of humor.
 
I agree with most of what you're saying of the modern media, but to be frank, many here have a distorted image of Al Jazeera. It's really not a channel which broadcasts anti-american, anti-israeli nor terrorist propaganda.

This is more of a prejudice towards arabic media.

Al Jazeera doesn't rally people against "the great satan (or whatever)" by showing distorted pictures or footages caused by american forces.

Now be honest, America DOES cause violence in the Middleeast, but so do the arabs and israelis and they show that too!

Fankly a lot of western media potrays Al Jazeera as a voice for terrorist. The Guardian or FOX news are excellent examples. They came up with incorrect information of Al Jazeera showing terrorist beheading westerners. They never showed that! To be fair, The Guardian apoligized, FOX news didn't, but repeated it when Al Jazeera launched the english channel.

Don't forget Al Jazeera has been thrown out of a few middleeastern countries, including Iran.

And one more thing about Al Jazeera, they have won several awards, including, an award by the "Index of Censorship" and by the "Fund for Freedom of Thought ".

on topic: Iraq's official religion is Islam... it'd be bad for the national economy (haha..) had it blew up.

Invasion, civilwar, occupation and resistance is also bad for their economy :(
 
It is the Askariya Mosque the same bombed last year not the Spiral Minaret.

Or as President Bush called it, the "Golden Mosque of Samarra".....even though all the burial places for the Imams have golden domes.

Still, this further desecration, either by Sunnis in the country or the foreign terrorists (also Sunni), could very well lead to a further cleansing of the mixed areas in central Iraq. It'll be harder and harder for Shi'ites to listen to our requests to just hold out for a little while longer until things get better.

The talk about what al-Jazeera and Fox are doing is deserving of its own thread...the fact of this topic remains the same.
 
Immediate fallout following the attack on al-Askariyya Mosque:

The New York Times said:
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Curfews and Pleas for Unity Keep Sectarian Retaliation at Bay in Baghdad

By ALISSA J. RUBIN
Published: June 15, 2007

BAGHDAD, June 14 — With curfews imposed in Baghdad and several other Iraqi cities and with heightened security across Iraq, Thursday passed with few violent incidents despite the destruction on Wednesday of the minarets of a holy shrine in Samarra sacred to Shiites.

The shrine’s golden dome had already been demolished in a bombing in February 2006 by Al Qaeda, an attack that set off months of brutal sectarian killings.

While the destruction of the minarets spurred several attempts to burn and damage Sunni mosques in a turbulent area just south of Baghdad and in Basra, it appeared that the strenuous efforts by political and religious leaders to discourage reprisals were largely successful.

There were four attacks on Sunni mosques south of Baghdad, three of them in Iskandariya and one in Mahaweel, where most of the building was demolished, the local police said. In Basra, several attempts to damage Sunni Arab mosques were halted, and residents held unity demonstrations led by Shiite and Sunni clerics.

In sharp contrast to the aftermath of last year’s attack, in which Shiite mobs fired rocket-propelled grenades at Sunni Arab mosques, destroying 27 in Baghdad in 24 hours, the repercussions on Thursday were mild.

Five unidentified bodies were found in Baghdad, far fewer than the police have found daily for several weeks, according to an Interior Ministry official.

But there were several mortar attacks in Baghdad. The most damaging occurred in midafternoon in the Green Zone, where most American and high-ranking Iraqi officials live, when seven mortar shells rained down, the Interior Ministry said. One exploded near the gate to the Rashid hotel, just across the street from the Convention Center, where Parliament meets.

The blast occurred just 50 minutes before a news conference with the deputy secretary of state, John D. Negroponte; the United States ambassador to Iraq, Ryan C. Crocker; and the secretary of state’s coordinator for Iraq, David M. Satterfield. It killed one person and wounded two others, according to the Interior Ministry official. An American military official would say only that there were casualties, and that no Americans were hit.

Iraqi and American officials said the minarets’ destruction in Samarra also appeared to be the work of Al Qaeda, and that the explosives that destroyed them were placed inside each minaret. The attackers used the same kind of explosives and method as in last year’s bombing, Ambassador Crocker said.

The explosives consisted of two improvised explosive devices planted under each minaret, each with more than 50 pounds of explosives, an official in the governor’s office in Samarra said. “This work is not easy,” the official added. “It can’t be done quickly.”

The shrine’s security has been a delicate issue since the explosion last year destroyed the dome. Shiites have called for its reconstruction, but security problems and worries about sectarian clashes delayed repairs.

A few days before the latest explosion, a new police force was sent from the Shiite-dominated Interior Ministry as a prelude to reconstruction. The guards surrounding the shrine ceded to the new police, but those inside refused to leave, according to an American military official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Mr. Negroponte and Mr. Crocker praised the efforts of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki and his government, including Sunni Arab and Kurdish leaders, to handle the situation in Samarra and their efforts to bring about a broader reconciliation. Mr. Negroponte was ambassador to Iraq from mid-2004 to 2005.

The two ambassadors struck a noticeably more conciliatory tone toward the Iraqi government than have other American officials, who have taken the Iraqis to task for failing to make long-promised changes in the Constitution and pass a law to allocate oil revenues.

The two men also said they had avoided any discussion of deadlines for accomplishing these and other goals, even though Congress is threatening to cut off funds for the war unless Iraq makes significant progress.

“I haven’t talked to anybody in terms of deadlines,” Mr. Negroponte said. “I’ve stressed urgency.

“Obviously, our political debate is extremely transparent. I can’t imagine that they would not be observing it, and watching it.”

But he added, “It goes a bit far to talk about specific deadlines, drop-dead dates and that kind of thing.”

The United States military also announced that the case of Lt. Col. William H. Steele had been referred for court-martial.

Colonel Steele, 51, an army reservist from Prince George, Va., had command responsibilities at Camp Cropper, one of the detention centers at the Baghdad airport. He stands charged of mishandling classified information, storing it on his computer, possessing pornography, and giving special privileges to an Iraqi interpreter and carrying on an inappropriate relationship with her.

The most serious charge, that he “aided the enemy” by allowing unmonitored use of a cellphone by detainees, carries the death penalty.

John F. Burns and Ali Adeeb contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Iraqi employees of The New York Times from Basra, Hilla, Diyala and Kirkuk.

I wonder how long such restraint will last. Already, some mosques were attacked in retaliation. So will this be a new target in the Sunni-Shi'ite conflict? Instead of neighborhoods of mixed populations, targeting the mosques of the other?
 
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