Hyronymus
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That's cool, the poll closed yesterday and yielded your opinion as a result.
The Status of Abstain
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Hyronymus
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If I remember correctly I did suggest to stop polls from opening or recreate polls that were currently out after this poll about the abstain status was done. We're not going into a repoll frenzy now though I hope.
robboo
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I think this poll is effective from here on out( or until we rewrite in abstain). I suppose people could challenge the DP poll and any other with an abstain vote as invalid. BUT i hope common sense rule( trademark Daveshack) prevails and we move forward. We dont need to stop game progress due to a small polling issue like this.
/its small because even if all of the abstains voted it would only effect 1 person in the DP poll and no one else.
/its small because even if all of the abstains voted it would only effect 1 person in the DP poll and no one else.
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Maybe it is but I don't think you should start demanding things until you know your place. Who knows how annoying I become
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donsig
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Using abstain in multi-choise polls (like the DP poll) does not skew the shown percentages in the results so those percentages can be taken as they are listed.
In polls where only one choice can be made then we will have to manually recalculate the percentages by subtracting the abstain votes from the totals and dividing the vote total of each option by the result. My biggest agrument for counting abstain was so we wouldn't have to do this. Given the results of this poll the easiest thing to do is not use the abstain option in single choice polls. Then we can see the true vote percentages for what they are.
In polls where only one choice can be made then we will have to manually recalculate the percentages by subtracting the abstain votes from the totals and dividing the vote total of each option by the result. My biggest agrument for counting abstain was so we wouldn't have to do this. Given the results of this poll the easiest thing to do is not use the abstain option in single choice polls. Then we can see the true vote percentages for what they are.
Hypothetical situation:
Let's say there's two votes. One person votes for everyone - that's 100%. Now, a 2nd person comes along and votes only for abstain. Now everyone has 1 vote out of 2 -- that's 50%. It can skew the results. Ok, maybe not greatly in this case as there were many votes, but it can affact people who are really close to the 60% mark.
but:
won - so currently we should find a way to not count abstain (which might be tricky in multiple choice polls)...
), therefor abstain should be included.
Not necissarily. When it came to voting it was really nice having the abstain option, as there were a few that people did vote abstain on. By having abstain it still allowed those who didn't like any candidate to have their vote count. This is what is very important, as it allowed everyone to see how many total players voted. Check the polls, total votes averaged around 37 and 38 votes. If we didn't count abstain there would be a bigger difference between the number of votes, and it would be harder to detect if someone was creating false accounts.
With abstain in the voting polls if you see that every election tends to have around x votes, but one poll has a lot more than x votes, it's easier to see that there may be a problem.
If you don't have abstain there will be a bigger difference and it'll be harder to see any false votes.
If abstain were labelled "None of the Above" in the DP pool vote, then it would be more clear what voters should do.
A separate single choice poll for each candidate would be the only foolproof way.
A separate single choice poll for each candidate would be the only foolproof way.
Yes, None of the Above should have been used in that instance. It appears that the poll iniator is going to have to make the decision on which to use.
