The Wheel of Time - C3C FULL mod

[Vaerraent]

Panarch's Legion:
Before gates not much wider than the cart Domon was questioned again, by men in pointed helmets, their breastplates embossed with a tree painted gold. Soldiers of the Panarch's Legion.

a man in gilded, ornately worked plate-and-mail armor, a pointed golden helmet crested with white egret plumes under his arm. “Aeldra?” he called, smiling. “Aeldra, come look at me. I am named the Lord Captain of the Panarch’s Legion.

- Not that much to go on, but I guess at least it's a start.

There was nothing descriptive of the King's Life Guard, so I could try and just model their clothes after typical Tarabon fashion. I can try and give them baggy looking clothing besides their armor, but I don't think the cylindrical hats and veils would look right on a military unit.

Sounds good to me.

 

[CamJH]

It took me FOREVER to get the image right on the shield, but finally got it where I want it. I'm not sure about the white border though. I think a gold color might look better to match up with the tree, or possibly grey to match more of the armor. Let me know what you think. As for the rest of the model... I went with the highest pointiest helm I had, and tried to make the plate and mail from a more complex model.

But here is what I have so far for the Panarch's Legion. Let me know what you all think... about all of it.

 

[CamJH]

I figured I'd throw out a couple more options, that way you can all make a more informed decision. These two pictures have the border of the shield with different color options, the first being gold, the second grey. The other difference is that these versions are minus the pauldrons. Take a look.

My opinions:
- I prefer the grey border around the shield (example 3).
- I also prefer the model without the pauldrons (examples 2 & 3). I think it gives it a more diverse appearance. But this choice I've been back and forth on a bit.

So if the choice were up to me, I'd probably go with example 3. But these are just my opinions, not necessarily the final word. I want to know what you all think too.

 

[Enkidu_Warrior]

i agree example 3 looks the best - but my concern would be that at civ size, the grey border would wash and blur the detail. is it too much to ask to see it at small size to be sure?

EW

 

[CamJH]

here's a quick render at civ-scale.

 

[Enkidu_Warrior]

thanks cam - the shield looks fine at this scale

however, the detail that differentiates it from the domani is somewhat lost. it occurred to me to either put back the pauldrons, but perhaps with an distinct colour (darker shade of grey?), or to lighten the chain undershirt, so that the leather straps and breast plate stand out better. i'm not sure that textures are visible at this scale anyway, but perhaps with a lighter colour, a chain-like texture might show up on the shirt better...?

EW

 

[tjedge1]

Man CamJH, your units have so much detail. They are very good.

 

[alerum68]

I think he's trying to grab the notice of Fraxis and get a job with them.

 

[CamJH]

Would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen.
And I can't take too much credit for the detail since they're all Kinboat's different models, but I try and mix 'n match and tweak them all as best I can. Glad you like them.

As for this model... I'll mess around with the colors to see what stands out best a t civ-scale.

 

[Takeno]

He looks very good.
As for color, maybe you could put some gold on the helmet or something. Perhaps along the crest and nosepiece?
It might make it stand out more.

 

[CamJH]

I'll try it out.
I could also try and put the tree emblem on his chest plate, like it says in the books, but I figured having it on the shield would probably be enough. Let me know you think I should put it on both.

 

[Takeno]

Testing wouldn't hurt.
Personally, I think it would look good. But that's just me.

 

[Vaerraent]

I'll try it out.
I could also try and put the tree emblem on his chest plate, like it says in the books, but I figured having it on the shield would probably be enough. Let me know you think I should put it on both.

Looks fantastic so far. Some gilding would look nice, yeah. And just a small tree above his heart would look fantastic imo!

EDIT: My aim is Ziggie Stahdust, by the way. Add me if you want ^_^

 

[CamJH]

Ok, here's a preview with lighter mail and darker plates, plus I switched the texture of the trim on the helmet to gold instead of steel.

I tried fitting in the tree into the chest plate, but it just wouldn't work. At civ-scale it just looked like a blob since the image is more intricate and the area to fit it on is even smaller than the Domani.

edit: mine is JHower if you want to add me as well. Alerum and I get some pretty good discussions going on from time to time.

 

[Takeno]

WOW

This is Very good!
The tree doesn't really matter, after all it's already on the shield.

 

[Xen]

oh. hell. yes.

please tell me your goign to -eventually- release a version with an oval sheild, with no emblem on it- many of your units strike the latter ages of the Roman military when it was still an effiective military macjine- but this hits the nail on the head!

 

[Vaerraent]

Lovely. But perhaps you would be able to add some golden swirly bits on the helm, too?

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[CamJH]

Glad you guys like it, and I appreciate the enthusiasm.

As for the shield. Sorry Xen, I don't have an oval shield in my library at the moment, and I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to take the emblem off. You could either take all the gold out of the palette, or just repaint the couple pixels blue an any editting program.

 

[CamJH]

It's been a while since I've posted our progress on the unit list, so I figured this was as good of a time as any. Now newcomers won't have to read through all 20 some odd pages to see where we stand on the unit lines. So here you go, our unit list as it now stands.
(Please let me know if I've left out anything or if you have any suggestions.)

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WARNING: This is a long post!
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BORDERLANDS:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Otomo Swordsman [Kinboat]
Archer- Otomo no Makuta [PTW]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Shoni no Kagesuke [PTW]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]
*Shienar*
Shienaran Infantry- Samurai [Civ3]
Shienaran Lancer- German Knight [Bebro]
*Saldaea*
Saldaean Rider- Chi. Rider [Civ3]
*Arafel*
Arafellin Infantry- Kensai [Kinboat]
*Kandor*
Kandori- Kandori [CamJH]

Tarabon:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
King’s Life Guard- King's Life Guard [CamJH]
Panarch’s Legion- Panarch's Legion [CamJH]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Illuminator- Hwach'a [PTW] (tradeable by resource)
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

ANDOR:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Queen’s Guard- Huscarl [Aluminum]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Generic Knight Late 15th Century [Bebro]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Currah- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]
*Two Rivers*
Two Rivers Bowman- Longbowman [Civ3]
Perrin Goldeneyes- Axeman [Aluminum] (enslaves “Diar Wolves” [Embryodead]) + army
Rand al’Thor- ___
Mat Cauthon- ___ + army

AMADICIA:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Guardians of the Gate- Italian Foot Knight [CamJH]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]
*Children of the Light*
Whitecloak- Crusader [C3C] (also produced by Dome of Truth/Knights of Templar)
Whitecloak Captain- Crusader [Kinboat] (mounted)
Questioner- Inquisitor [C3C] (enslaves Whitecloak)

GHEALDAN:
Legion of the Wall- Legion of the Wall [CamJH]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

CAIRHIEN:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Cairhienin Footsoldier- Ashigaru Spearman [PTW] (foot unit with “con”)
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Cairhienin Vanguard- Tang Cavalry [Dom Pedro II] (mounted unit with “con”)
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

ILLIAN:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Companions- ___
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

MAYENE:
Winged Guards- Phoenix Guard [aaglo]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horsman- Horseman [Civ3]
Mounted Winged Guards- Hussar [Aluminum]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

TEAR:
Defenders of the Stone- Swiss Mercenary [C3C]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Tairen Infantry- Bushi [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

SHADOWSPAWN:
Darkfriend- Spy [C3C] (also available to other civs later in game, has hidden nationality)
Trolloc- Minotaur [Kinboat]
Myrddraal- Blood Dragon Vampire [embryodead]
Black Ajah (Aes Sedai)- ___
Draghkar- ___
Darkhounds- Diar Wolves (pack) [Embryodead]
Grey Men- Gray Man [CamJH] * currently illegal

SEANCHAN:
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Blademaster- ___
Deathwatch Guards- Minamoto Samurai [PTW]
Mounted Deathwatch Guards- Nakamaro Horseman [PTW]
To’raken/Raken- Wyvern [Embryodead]

AIEL:
Stone Dogs (Shae'en M'taal)- Stone Dog [CamJH]
Red Shields (Aethan Dor)- Red Shield [CamJH]
Water Seekers (Duahde Mahdi'in)- Water Seeker [CamJH]
Maidens of the Spear (Far Dareis Mai)- Maiden of the Spear [CamJH]
Wise One- Wise One [CamJH]

ALTARA:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

ARAD DOMAN:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Domani- Domani [CamJH]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

MURANDY:
Pikeman- Pikeman [Civ3]
Militia- Cuchulainn [Kinboat]
Archer- Longbowman [utahjazz7]
Crossbowman- Crossbowman [Aluminum]
Aes Sedai- ___ (requires resource)
Warder- Warder [Kinboat] (enslaved by Aes Sedai)
Horseman- Horseman [Civ3]
Knight- Knight [Civ3]
Catapult- Catapult [Civ3]
Curragh- Curragh [C3C]
Galley- Galley [Civ3]

SHARA:
?

ATHA'AN MIERE (Sea FolK):
||foot units||
Windfiner- ___
Sailmistress- ___
Cargomaster- ___
||ships||
Darter- ___
Soarer- ___
Skimmer- ___
Raker- ___

Other:
Asha’man- Asha'man [CamJH] (produced by Black Tower/Sun Tzu’s AoW, or requires rare resource)
Ogier- Enkidu Warrior [C3C] or Berserk [PTW]
Someshta (Green Man)- Ent [Kindred72]

 

[Xen]

cool- but what/why is the one marked as "currentlyl illegle" marked as so- what is of? why is it so?