The Wild Wild West: A Small Mafia Game

[choxorn]

I've seen more ridiculous mafia abilities.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Could everyone please take the player list and put the remaining living candidates in order from most scummy to least?

After that is done, a reveal or two would make it very probable that it will be crystal clear who to vote for, but I don't want to do that until we have some pre-reveal finger pointing.

 

[choxorn]

1. j6whateverd
2. DaveShack
3. Skwink
4. Kennigit
5. BigTin
6. landlubber
7. classical_hero
8. GamezRule
9. Jarrema
10. askthepizzaguy
11. Zack
12. choxorn

Like this?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Excellente.

You get townie points for that. You may very well be scum but if you're the only one who bothers, you deserve a win.

I intend to post mine after I see others' opinions unmolested by my opinions.

 

[Jarrema]

ok, there is mine:

1. j6whateverd
2. DaveShack
3. Skwink
4. landlubber
5. BigTin
6. askthepizzaguy
7. Kennigit
8. Zack
9. choxorn
10. classical_hero
11. GamezRule
13. Jarrema

probably this is heavily influenced by Choxorn's one (or my try to NOT being influenced too much by it)

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I love how high you put me on the list. I'm going to keep this stuff in mind when next I'm scum: List of folks who always think I'm scummy. Probably a good idea to knock a few off...

 

[Jarrema]

I love how high you put me on the list. I'm going to keep this stuff in mind when next I'm scum: List of folks who always think I'm scummy. Probably a good idea to knock a few off...

I will try to make others remember, that you wanted to kill me if you were scum. That way, if I die, others would suspoect you

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

But I'll be mafia, so they won't suspect me. Catch-22.

 

[Kennigit]

will a vig or something please clear up the gamezrule situation? at least in private? It's so weird that j6 voted gamezrule like every single day, and then gamezrule claimed an attack on himself. so much a doings a happening 'round here that just seems too off for my little vanilla ol' self.

people knowing j6 could be lynch immune could have influenced a lot it's hard to judge exactly, coupled with low activity. but somebody behind the scenes seems to be doing well (Two nights with no night kill), so someone's being a bery gewd townie. Or maybe people can inherently survive attacks (could explain failed vig's as well as failed mafia attacks).

anyways here's my worthless and wordy list. call it an analysis:

people who can be analyzed:

Spoiler :

j65536d- well he's confirmed, as well as 2 henchman.

choxorn- I don't really like his criticism of turqoiside's 3 mafia statement (as there appears to be, with j6 + 2). But choxorn wouldn't flynch that obviously....would he? Very consistently in games mafia have at some point criticised someone who suggested the right setup (most recent was bigtin in tale of one city saying "I think 4 mafia would be a lot," assuming the OP is correct in 4 mafia there).

Kennigit- well I've been wrong (olaf) and unfortunately posted with j6 on a gamezrule matter (said how my horse was scared then gamezrule got scardier). So I'm not looking very townie in town cred, but I am a vanilla innocent for what it's worth.

DaveShack- hm, I think if he really knew j6 was unlynchable he may have tried to swoop in with a last second vote on j6 and get gewd townie cred. Considering j6 + 2 henchman are alive, they would need to live maybe 4-5 days to get to the point where they equal the town. If scum, he faced the predicament of either 1) looking like trying to save j6 by being the swing vote (unbeknownst to him jarrema was double voter) or 2) bus j6 for townie cred in such a low turn out vote. I think if he was scum, he would have tied it up 2-2-2 by a vote on me. Still, maybe he did just try to save a day for j6 (always could build up that townie cred tomorrow!). He kind of is like landlubber in the gamezrule case (see landlubber).

landlubber- he generically hasn't done much. But, if gamez is scum landlubber be the other hencman scum. If gamez made up a claim as a mafia scheming together, he has the PiS of that scheme and confrims it (post 208, essentially saying gamez claim has to be true!). Daveshack also calls it reasonable.for all purposes the gamezrule case is completely reasonable, just I'd really really like someone like zack or jarrema or the vig to say "yeah, the vig said he did it".

askthepizzaguy- see below for jarrema, but there is certainly no way mafia has a lynch stopper and an unlynchable. And I can see atpg's claim being true enough. I kind of really don't like his post about having a doctor protect jarrema. sounds way too much like "kk, we'll go kill someone else!".

GamezRule- gamezrule shall be at my middle of the list as he is either strongly connected to j6 or completely an innocent (judging by j6's responses to gamerzrule). Plus I still have to believe he was targeted for a vig, and having an unlynchable mafia AND a comrade that can survive the presumably townie vig? Way too much mafia livin' for my tastes. Unless, of course, the attack never happened. It probaby did, but I don't know.

Jarrema- I would think having an unlynchable and a doublevoter gives the mafia a lot of control. especially when there are little vanilla ol' innocents like me and ninjacow (ninjacow said he was vanilla, at least in private).

Zack- the attack and a vote against j6 (post 214) seems legit. Zack this game certainly is acting like a watchful townie, as he's been very quick to vote when people don't say the best of things (including his vote or FoS for me yesterday, forgot if he voted or just FoSsed). His vote on j6 seems to be the "j6 sounds scummy, let me vote" as opposed to something like jarrema leading the day. Jarrema's case could have been PIS in theory, but again, I do find the double voter and unlynchable just too unconvincing.

no info/way too little info to give anything useful:
BigTin
classical_hero
Skwink- although I would say his posts are more townielike than nontownie like (generic playful spam).

so I'll say (same spot means equal)
1) j6
2-3) bigtin, classical (no info; guilty till proven innocent).
4) choxorn
5) kennigit
6) daveshack
7) skwink (eh, just a feeling. really could be with bigtin and classical)
8-9) landlubber, atpg
5 or 10) gamez (more likely 10; see analysis)
11) jarrema
12) zack

 

[Kennigit]

ooh also to add to atpg's analysis in post above is this whole ordeal. While I'm always up for stuff like this, remember the mafia could be frustrated with not getting the right night kills through and can use such analysis to get the numbers down.

take me for instance. Why would anyone protect me, a vanilla townie? I'm proudly claiming that, but it's also telling mafia "hey, here's a tasty free kill!". The winning conditions is for the mafia to equal or outnumber the town independent of whether the town still has all power roles alive (for instance, a vig/doctor/double voter combo could beat the mafia heads up on 3v3).

also dead people, you can talk. You can't reveal past night actions, but if the vigger got night killed, it'd be really really cool if you came up and quoted gamezrule and said "yeah, I think this claim is reasonable" (if you tried to vig him).

 

[classical_hero]

Well BigTin has been absent from the forum for some time, so we know that he will get wogged and if he does not then he must be mafia. I am thinking that he if he is not mafia then he is a town power role. I am an out of towner, which is why there would be suspicion on me. I know nothing and thus have not been very useful.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: DaveShack

You need to call your own law offices, cow poke.

 

[GamezRule]

Hey, I just reported the truth!

 

[DaveShack]

I have information but not enough to know who to trust to give the real scoop. So I'll have to generalize and hope that it's enough.

There is at least one vig, but there could be more. The one I know about only succeeds with one chance in three, and Zack was a target. This person did not attack Gamez.

If we make the assumption that there is just one vig, then it could have been some form of protection from a mafia hit and Gamez is innocent, or there wasn't really an attack and Gamez is scum.

There could be 2-3 vigs, each with a 1/3 chance of success. If that were the case, then Gamez's story could be true but he could still be scum hiding behind the other failed vig.

 

[DaveShack]

Oh, and that's not a flinch. I got attacked by honeydo yesterday, and I'm not talking about melons.

 

[Kennigit]

do you know if vigs are limited in number (i.e. 3 times per game or something like that). I feel that would increase the number of vigs.

1 vig may be hesistant to vig, may fail, and may be unlucky (like fail every night for 3 nights; 1/9). Having 2-3 viggers that each only have 2 or 3 attempts make them hesistant and subject to being unlucky and could explain the low number of [reported] attacks.

If a vig targeted zack, clearly the mafia failed their kill that night as well. We're looking at 2 vig attempts then (if gamezrule claim is true).

anyways, the game was 18 players. 3 scum (at least), at least 2 confirmed vanilla (me and ninjacow), 1 double voter (jarrema), 1 claimed lynch stopper atpg, probably 1 doctor, and then probably at least 1 of either roleblocker or invesigator.

that's 9 roles in theory. So out of the remaining 9 roles, 2 or 3 vigs makes sense to me. 11-12 power (if you count mafia as power) and 6-7 or so vanilla.

 

[Zack]

j6 was roleblocked last night.

 

[Zack]

Vote: Skwink

I have information but not enough to know who to trust to give the real scoop. So I'll have to generalize and hope that it's enough.

There is at least one vig, but there could be more. The one I know about only succeeds with one chance in three, and Zack was a target. This person did not attack Gamez.

If we make the assumption that there is just one vig, then it could have been some form of protection from a mafia hit and Gamez is innocent, or there wasn't really an attack and Gamez is scum.

There could be 2-3 vigs, each with a 1/3 chance of success. If that were the case, then Gamez's story could be true but he could still be scum hiding behind the other failed vig.

If there are numerous vigilantes, then it seems the mafia don't have a nightkill or they're inactives. Or the vigs aren't conventional ones -- they're anti-town, and there aren't any real "mafia" in the traditional sense. This would make sense given the Western theme.

DaveShack, your post implies the mafia are either nonexistent and the vigilantes aren't to be trusted, or that the mafia are crippled, or they're just inactive.

 

[Verarde]

I confess I read all that, and then I wanted to chime in with my theories.

Wait, he gets revealed as a mafia godfather and doesn't lose his voting ability, like the ones in LOTR or Star Wars or <Insert Other Mafia Game where the Godfathers had similar powers>

Good idea, but it's a little late to change that now. But, as you can see, nobody is agreeing with him. So, it doesn't quite matter.

 

[Zack]

Wait, I'm dumb. J6 has two minions. Nevermind, then.

anyways, the game was 18 players. 3 scum (at least), at least 2 confirmed vanilla (me and ninjacow), 1 double voter (jarrema), 1 claimed lynch stopper atpg, probably 1 doctor, and then probably at least 1 of either roleblocker or invesigator.

How are you a confirmed vanilla?

Anyways, these are the roles that I know of:

-doctor
-roleblocker
-vigilante(s)
-doublevoter
-lynch stopper
-vanilla
-mafia godfather
-two mafia accomplices