The World Turned Upside Down

OOC: @Warman17 ad Azale: Did Italy and Russia just giver Greece the cold shoulder on its message of better trade-relations (just before the last update) through a little cutting back of tariffs on Greek, Italian and Russian ships?
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IC:
To: The Council of Nations
From: Greece

Resolution 002-11 is nothing but a tool of dissent. It will allow rebellious groups to be supplied with arms from various sources--including opportunistic, exploitative states--with a Council resolution behind its back. It will allow smugglers and pirates free reign during a time of war, a time when they are most unwanted. Greece, for these reasons, signs against the resolution.

We humbly advise the other nations who have already signed for the resolution, especially those with ports and coastlines, to reconsider. Take into mind the recent spirits of struggle and subversion--from both nationalist and communist sentiment--in the European continent.
 
From His Imperial Majesty George V and Prime Minister Motilal Nehru of the Empire of India
To Premier Louis Botha of the Boer Republic

I'm saddened hat you remain unaware to the leadership of your prior occupiers, namely being the Prime Minister and Parliament of the Empire of Great Britain, of which the successor state is the Congress of British Workers. Should you feel need for compensation, I suggest you contact the representatives of said government.


OOC @EQ: I invested two military IC into the research of armored cars this turn, but it doesn't show this on the front page. Also, why will the development of an extensive national railway cause an increase in disent?
 
@greece, hmm? We accepted your trade.
 
@tommy_toon, because India already has a massive expanse of railway, and nationalising it will piss numerous people off.

Update will be Tuesday.
 
@Azale: No, not the trade of military aid for alliance (if that's what you meant). What I mean is a trade pact, lowering tariffs (that's how I think trade pacts work, anyway) on merchants of both countries to promote trade. A freer trade policy with its friends and neutral neighbors is what Greece is going for right now.

My thank-you-for-accepting IC post stated at the bottom:
In less pressing affairs, we propose that the Holy Russian Empire and the nation of Greece form a trade pact. We believe that The Holy Empire and our humble nation have much to offer each other, and we are confident that this would lead to nothing but good in the future.

I guess I shouldn't put too many superfluous things in my IC posts, but they'll end up so bland that way.
 
Ahh. The Holy Russian Empire accepts of course!
 
We are afraid that people are misunderstanding the meaning of Resolution 002-11. It is NOT meant to make blockades illegal, since blockades are a legal and simple way to avoid war and pressure and opponent to take anew course of action. It is NOT meant to allow pirates and smugglers free reign of the seas, it is in fact meant to combat that. The Resolution states that ships would not be allowed to be boarded without JUST cause, just cause being suspicion of smuggling or espionage. It is meant for stopping naval captains in times of war from attacking and sinking ships of third party ships, who are not headed to enemy ports. It is meant to stop said captains from becoming pirates, borading and sinking any ship they wish, regardless of its port of call or its destination. Enforcing the Resolution would mean hunting down the last remaining pirates in the world and ending their threat to commerce.

America begs the members of the Council to read the actual Resolution and listen to our explainations rather then the conjectures of other nations on the bill's purpose. We also ask that any country with questions about the bill's intent to feel free and ask the writer of the bill (the USA) and not make broad, sweeping, untrue statements about the Resolution's purpose and attempt to dissuade others from voting for a Resolution to strengthen world trade and promote national sovereignty with their untrue statements.
 
OOC: Whoops, I misread the thing :blush:. So, I'll just pretend my nation misunderstood the Resolution (silly translations to Greek!). Yeah.
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IC:

To: The Council of Nations
From: Greece

We retract our previous statements fully as they are the result of poor understanding on our part.

For the sake of global prosperity, we will sign for Resolution 002-11.
 
Very well, the Americans counter to the Italians has impressed us. The HRE switches its vote to APPROVE the Resolution.
 
We are afraid that people are misunderstanding the meaning of Resolution 002-11. It is NOT meant to make blockades illegal, since blockades are a legal and simple way to avoid war and pressure and opponent to take anew course of action. It is NOT meant to allow pirates and smugglers free reign of the seas, it is in fact meant to combat that. The Resolution states that ships would not be allowed to be boarded without JUST cause, just cause being suspicion of smuggling or espionage. It is meant for stopping naval captains in times of war from attacking and sinking ships of third party ships, who are not headed to enemy ports. It is meant to stop said captains from becoming pirates, borading and sinking any ship they wish, regardless of its port of call or its destination. Enforcing the Resolution would mean hunting down the last remaining pirates in the world and ending their threat to commerce.

America begs the members of the Council to read the actual Resolution and listen to our explainations rather then the conjectures of other nations on the bill's purpose. We also ask that any country with questions about the bill's intent to feel free and ask the writer of the bill (the USA) and not make broad, sweeping, untrue statements about the Resolution's purpose and attempt to dissuade others from voting for a Resolution to strengthen world trade and promote national sovereignty with their untrue statements.



The current wording of the resolution is inconsistant with your interpretation.


Resolution 002-11-The Freedom of the Seas Resolution- This Resolution would protect all civilain and merchant craft of a country from seizure or boarding without just cause, such as suspicion of espionage or smuggling. By backing this Resolution, countires would support the rights of individuals to safely travel the oceans of the world. It would also protect third party merchants in times of war from being captured or sunk for no other reason then they are in the wrong place at the wrong time


Now Italy has two problems, bolded, with this resolution. The first is what constitutes 'just cause'. The resolution lists suspicion of espionage and smuggling as two of the causes. However what constitutes suspicion of espionage? Does a nation have to have tangible proof of espionage, but it only lists suspicion. A nation at war could suspect any number of vessals of espionage if 'they are at the wrong place at the wrong time.'

Now the second statement bolded states that any third party merchent in time of war is protected from being captured or sunk if they are in the 'wrong place at the wrong time.' What constitutes wrong place and wrong time? Suppose the nation A and nation B are at war, and nation C decides to send shipments to both nations. Now nation A gains control of the seas and bars trade with nation B. Now according to the resolution smuggling is a 'just cause' to board a ship, but according to the next line the captain could argue he was simply at 'the wrong place at the wrong time' as his defense.


As a result Italy proposes the following resolution to clarify the points the United States is attempting to make.



Resolution 001-12- Rules Governing the Acts of Piracy, and Raiding-
This Resolution would make the use of piracy an internationally recognized illegal act. Piracy is to be considered illegal whether privatly operated, or state operated. Piracy is defined as an act of robbery or violence against any seagoing vessal by a ship not carrying an ensign of the ships true origin, without ensign, or with a non-state ensign such as the jolly-roger. It also constitues any attack on civilian ships during peace or war which are not subject to the rules of of raiding described below.

Raiding, a legal action, is to be defined as attacks on ships carrying civilian ensign by ships carrying a military ensign during time of war. Raiding applies to vessals which carry ensigns of the parties involved in the war. Raiding is also applicable to any third party vessals operating within the territorial waters of the nations at war, however they can not be subject to attack in international water regardless of port of origin or destination. Raiding ships must give warning to the vessal which is to be raided, allowing time for evacuations if necessary.
Writer: Italy
Yays: Italy (1)
Nays:
Abstains:
 
Liberia votes a vehement NAY to the Italian Resolution! This Council has no place regulating private enterprise and commerce! State Piracy is reprehensible but assaults on private business are simply outrageous!
 
Good luck making China recognise any resolutions ever. Especially since the Chinese government has no say so in these matters.
 
Council resolutions apply only to council members.
 
Good (10 characters)
 
To World:
Resolution 002-12 - Extended Membership - It has come to surprise us that many nations around the world have been left out of the council. As such we would like a vote to extend membership to all countries of the world, besides of course the Congress of British Workers which the Council has voted to shut all diplomatic ties with. This invitation to join obviously is non-binding: nations may reject the invitation, but total world membership should be the council's goal in order to fully extend peace and stability.
Writer: Italy
Yays: Italy
Nays:
Abstains:
 
From His Imperial Majesty George V and Prime Minister Motilal Nehru of the Empire of India
To Premier Louis Botha of the Boer Republic

I'm saddened hat you remain unaware to the leadership of your prior occupiers, namely being the Prime Minister and Parliament of the Empire of Great Britain, of which the successor state is the Congress of British Workers. Should you feel need for compensation, I suggest you contact the representatives of said government.


To The Empire of India
From The Boer Republic

You mean to tell us that the decision to not recognize our soverignty before the upriseing the the workers party was made totally by parliment and the Royal Family had no say what so ever on the killings of our people?
 
France ABSTAINS on Resolution 001-12

France votes Yay on Resolution 002-12
 
Nippon votes YAY on Resolution 001-12.

Nippon votes NAY on Resolution 002-12.
 
America votes Yay on both Resolutions
 
To World:
Resolution 002-12 - Extended Membership - It has come to surprise us that many nations around the world have been left out of the council. As such we would like a vote to extend membership to all countries of the world, besides of course the Congress of British Workers which the Council has voted to shut all diplomatic ties with. This invitation to join obviously is non-binding: nations may reject the invitation, but total world membership should be the council's goal in order to fully extend peace and stability.
Writer: Italy
Yays: Italy
Nays:
Abstains:

The Holy Russian Empire YAYS above proposal.
 
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